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Old 18th Jan 2018, 17:57
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Hahahaha, management in that airline are more desperate everyday... I invite FR pilots in this forum to send an update with the real payscales that I'm pretty sure will differ... (at least mine was nowhere near those figures)
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 19:29
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Of course your pay wasn't. Those figures are remuneration from this month.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 19:34
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That is a huge pay gap between RYR contract and agency for FO's (cadet)... Would be great to see some more improvements for cadets too.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 23:11
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I guess these figures includes uniform, loss of license, private health care, pension, parking, per diems etc. ? Not to mention food you need to purchase for every working day.

Once you deduct those from the take home pay then you might get close to real figures what people are actually earning.

Then compare it to other airlines packages and notice how “industry leading” it is
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 23:59
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Captain Belgian base on Ryanair contract, less than 70kÄ net pa. Nothing included (uniform, parking, medical, LOL, airport ID, company ID, food, water, coffee, stapler in crewroom, pen, high viz, phone bills). 1 unwanted month off, 10 ad-hoc days (3 last year, the remainder denied or allocated on rest days off).
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 09:21
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobi.../idUKKBN1F71SS

UK based pilots accept pay rises?
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 10:12
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FR captain italy can vary between 120-135K euro gross before tax, 10-20% if LTC or TRI/TRE.
In Italy they pay "outside the payslip" about 29% social insurance to italian pension scheme(forced by the gvnmt back in 2011 I believe)
so if you include this is about 150K euro per year....
but at the end of the month net salary for 100 (>60 sectors if based in south italy)BH is about 7-8k euros net depending how much domestic you did or didn't...
with 50 BH per month salary will be about 6k net
It's your job whorty 120 euros net per sectors? NO
taxes are basically double paid in Ireland and Italy on some parts of the payslip.
SFO about 70k euro gross before tax.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 10:16
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and we are missing food, water, uniform, insurance, positioning paid by the company if you are schedule out of base on ground transport, repsect, dignity and much more...
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 15:01
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Originally Posted by LessPepper View Post
Well not much has changed, with TOMs sophisticated and thorough recruitment, still relieving other companies of their arrogant numpties. How do they do it.
Good job you didnít get in then, too arrogant? Or too much of a ďnumptyĒ?

Your post from the TOM recruitment thread:

Originally Posted by LessPepper View Post
Anybody know how many positions where available? Somebody mentioned 30 is that 737 and 757 total or each? I noticed there was very few 737 folks there.

Not heard anything yet about sim dates!
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 21:36
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The company's more friendly approach to negotiations appears to have coincided with the return of Peter Bellew, late last year. The new chief operating officer was a stalwart of Ryanair, working with the carrier from 2006 to 2015, at which point he left to join Malaysia Airlines.
Ryanair agrees 20pc pay rise for UK pilots in bid to ease tensions
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 08:12
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I have heard there will be a re-vote for the STN based pilots.
Apparently RYR have attached a 'no further pay negotiation' clause in the acceptance deal which was unknown/not stated to the ERC before this last vote.
Now imho that is very underhand indeed.
A very good demonstration of how they cannot be trusted.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 10:02
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Is that a 20% rise in salary or income?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 08:31
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For left seat it's 33% salary increase, overall 22% income increase.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 09:15
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33%?

No Sir it is not 33% . I am skipper in ryr and my increase would have been 8% . 33% is if you suddenly become new deal TRE from line Cpt in old deal . Usual Ryanair fake news. Balpa said itís ok to vote because we cannot yet represent you so of course the folks run to company for the pay raise . Like that was the only issue .... but I in no way think this is over . Oh no. Germany Italy and Spain very much on war footing . Ireland is dublin , strong!
Keep listening .
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 11:47
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Strange Daminik. You must be the odd one out. Remember we're talking about UK.

Because most line skipper basic salary plus productivity pay goes from £63k to £86k. Sector pay and expenses unchanged. Pension up.

BTW Balpa didn't say that. They are in active negotiations. Perhaps you aren't a Balpa member?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 13:50
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Heís not the odd one out, youíre just one of the many that believe that expenses and pension is something that all airlines quote as part of the salary.

Hereís what I make as a UK captain before any Ďdealí

£62k basic, £6 expenses, £32k sector pay based on 900 hrs (I flew 890 last year) & £6k pension.

Thatís £106k roughly speaking and you get NOTHING else on top.

Only in RYR do they need to include £6k expenses and pension figures to get the Captain Ďsalaryí over £100k. Expenses isnít salary- itís money I spend on my uniform, LOL medicals and Food/drink when I work (I spend £400 a year on bottled water!). That is what other proper airlines give you for free. So £106k is actually £100k.

The new deal has a £10k addition to the basic salary and quite frankly thatís it. Yes thereís a new productivity bonus of £12k, but unlike in EasyJetís where you get the same simply by being loyal and still being at the company, in RYR you need to work days off to get this additional bonus. Again itís not too many days off for £12k, but the point is letís compare like for like. Ones called Loyalty one Productivity.

Finally the pension is now £8k not £6?! Big whop- itís finally that of what EasyJet pay.

In Ryanairís eyes thatís a total of 10+12+2 £24k more per year - £106 + 24 equals the £130k we all keep hearing.

Letís minus pension, bonus and expenses off this this number so we can compare properly. When we do this it becomes £106 -6 -6 = £94k (my current deal) plus £10k for new deal is £104k.

When I join Easy, the BASIC is £105k. Letís just sit and think on that for a second.

That figure also doesnít include pension contributions from company, loyalty bonus, personal bonus, all the Lol/uniform/Medical/car park/food/water etc benefits the £6k pays you to sort yourself.

It also doesnít include SECTOR PAY.

I said no to the new deal twice now even though Iím leaving. Best of luck.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 16:06
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post
Heís not the odd one out, youíre just one of the many that believe that expenses and pension is something that all airlines quote as part of the salary.
Spot on. Thatís the weird mentality that has creeped in peopleís heads during all these years in FR. Expenses, pension, ďloyalty bonusĒ etc. are NOT part of the salary. Yet this ďindustry leadingĒ company claims that they will be paying as such

Came across one FO recently, heíd calculated what his salary would be after all the necessary deductions and the result was that he made 1700Ä/month net.

What a great company to work for.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 16:17
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Bottled water. Do RYR charge you? And is it the on board inflated price?

I am shocked.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 16:30
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I do believe you have to be in ezy for 10 years to get the highest loyalty bonus?
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 17:03
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Comments above re the Loyalty bonus at easy are all correct, I didnít mention itís immediate however, just that once youíve been there over 2 years you start getting it (at the certain %) without having to work extra.

Regarding bottled water. I buy it from the terminal each day. Itís cheaper than buying it on board as we donít get anything on board for free, other than than the use of the toilet (I lolíd as I typed that!)

RYR has water fountains in each crewroom, but where that water comes from in anyoneís guess.

It is what it is- make of it what you will. Most of what Iíve said in last two posts on this thread are just facts.
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