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Ryanair Cancelling flights!

Old 24th Jan 2018, 17:14
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Yes thatís correct. For me itís about £22k over 36 months on the UK contract.

Even with this money removed Iíll be making more than I do in RYR. Please tell me what point it is youíre trying to make? Getting Ďclobberedí by paying us a more than Line Training Captainís make in RYR is a word I wouldnít chose to use.

A few of the comments above are beginning to imply that RYR is a better deal than Easy. Is that the intention of the last few comments?
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 17:23
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Yup I canít answer that. But having run the numbers, itís a no brainer for me. Even with this money removed I think my net salary will be as near as dammit the same - and thatís comparing to the Ďnew deal.í I applied and passed the assessment with Easy Long before all this mess kicked off at RYR. At that point the easy basic salary alone was more than the ENTIRE package at RYR.

The point Iím clearly not making very well, is the new deal at RYR hasnít convinced me to stay.

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Old 24th Jan 2018, 19:12
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Just make sure you get the contract before you signed. To avoid any bad surprises such as bases freezes.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 19:22
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Got the base I want - freeze away!

Plus not sure how you sign a contract you havenít received
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 16:21
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ry...-idUKKBN1FD2UA

Back to business
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 17:50
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RYR REFUSE TO MEET ECA!

Dear Me, they have done it again!
How slow can they be? Is there no understanding that if they do not start treating and pay the crew properly the operation of 10 to 20% of the production will stop!

If Oleary is not gone in a few weeks and the upper management flushed and some proper managers installed promptly, this multi BILLION euro business is at risk.
Owners wake up!
Pilots stay AWAY!

To all pilots: Help fight the RYR battle,it ruins the industry!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 20:35
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Ryanair, in a letter in response to ECA on Wednesday, described those claims as ďmaterially inaccurateĒ.

Quote from Saturday's DT. business.

"Ryanair has been referred to both HMRC and labour market bodies after claims it failed to fully respond to MP's questions about employment and pay practices. Two parliamentary committees asked authorities to investigate, citing RYR's refusal to co-operate with inquiries. RYR called the comments 'inaccurate'.

Seems there is only one version of the truth and there are a lot of 'inaccuracies' flying about.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 00:47
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I am wondering if pilots are still leaving. Does anyone have some numbers on the amount of pilots that are leaving? I know that some experienced FO's from my base are leaving. And some captains that are looking into china.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 09:13
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Is there much strike action planned going forward? Especially in Spanish , Portuguese, German , Irish bases. Alot of people looking to book summer holidays etc ... . family and friends asking the same question , not sure what advice to be passing on!
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 11:04
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I have no firm or verifiable info but a couple Iíve spoken to at FR say that as things stand the summer schedule is going to be pretty ďtightĒ. The feeling from them was that any sort of discruption will be rather uncomfortable and will rely on pilot goodwill to fill in the gaps... one suggested that if union talks donít progress that goodwill might not be there. Also suggested was that the impasse with management could see summer strikes on the cards. Feelings perhaps that MOL is starting to dig his heels in now that the immediate pressure is off? Take from that what you will....
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 11:29
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not sure what advice to be passing on!
The advice I would pass on is to book with another airline, not just because of the uncertainty of their ability to operate their programme, but from now and forever until this company turns a corner and starts to act professionally and with some morals.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 11:42
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Thanks for the information guys. Just to clarify I work for another airline and as I am sure you are aware @Johnny [email protected] Pants no matter how much you try to educate friends on such matters it falls on deaf ears when flight times and cost are suitable to them.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 16:50
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Speed alive - it’s such a shame isn’t it. At least giving them concerns over the status of their flights might just open their eyes.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 18:12
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Crewing flights with trained crews is an arithmetical problem. Having enough trained pilots is an arithmetical problem plus a training one. The latter requires enough LTC's. It also requires enough time to pump the cadets through base training, after LST, at a required rate without refresher sim time. Not all airlines can do that, especially if they are expanding like a met' ballon rising aloft.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 09:19
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This is all brilliant of Michael's brilliant 4d chess strategy, never forget that he is a master tactician and a stable genius

1. Further antagonise staff while attrition is still astronomical

2. Damage consumer confidence by announcing there may be strikes at Easter.

3. Try to half-heartedly sell the 'Big Bad Union' story, which is usually popular, except if people despise your company more than they despise the prospect of overpaid layabouts.

4 ?

5 Profit?
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 09:55
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Well Who would be surprised by these tactics.
A leopard never changes its spots.
Very interesting to see how it is reported in the Irish media
Spin as usual
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 11:02
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Does MOL actually risk flying on Ryanair (other than shallow promotional exercises) ?

Or, more likely , to avoid the low life, uses the company Gulfstream!
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 13:07
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Try to half-heartedly sell the 'Big Bad Union' story,

Is that the Big Bad Union that cooperates inside a decades long reasonably happy & profitable Britannia/Thomson/Tui; or LoCo major competitor easy jet, that also seems reasonably a happy and profitable place and which seems, we are told, to offer better T's & C's?

Interesting that RYR sets its stall, of T's & C's, out against the newbie Norwegian and smallie Jet 2. Why is Europe's biggest and most favourite airline, and perhaps most profitable, simply not the top of the tree? Don't say we are 10/20% better than the lowly ones, just say "we are the best"or shut up.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 15:25
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99 View Post
Exactly what I thought, unless they are hit hard with Europe wide spread strikes things are not going to change.

Does anyone have any news about the crew's intentions or did they cave in?
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 15:38
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Primera are about to start hiring for the first of their 10 737 Max aircraft (based all over Europe). These will be going transatlantic alongside the A321neos.

They know they have to beat what RYR are offering to make it worthwhile. Road show at Stansted in the very near future. Another nail in MOL's coffin.
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