Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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Crewing flights with trained crews is an arithmetical problem. Having enough trained pilots is an arithmetical problem plus a training one. The latter requires enough LTC's. It also requires enough time to pump the cadets through base training, after LST, at a required rate without refresher sim time. Not all airlines can do that, especially if they are expanding like a met' ballon rising aloft.
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From: Huxley
This is all brilliant of Michael's brilliant 4d chess strategy, never forget that he is a master tactician and a stable genius
1. Further antagonise staff while attrition is still astronomical
2. Damage consumer confidence by announcing there may be strikes at Easter.
3. Try to half-heartedly sell the 'Big Bad Union' story, which is usually popular, except if people despise your company more than they despise the prospect of overpaid layabouts.
4 ?
5 Profit?
1. Further antagonise staff while attrition is still astronomical
2. Damage consumer confidence by announcing there may be strikes at Easter.
3. Try to half-heartedly sell the 'Big Bad Union' story, which is usually popular, except if people despise your company more than they despise the prospect of overpaid layabouts.
4 ?
5 Profit?
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Try to half-heartedly sell the 'Big Bad Union' story,
Is that the Big Bad Union that cooperates inside a decades long reasonably happy & profitable Britannia/Thomson/Tui; or LoCo major competitor easy jet, that also seems reasonably a happy and profitable place and which seems, we are told, to offer better T's & C's?
Interesting that RYR sets its stall, of T's & C's, out against the newbie Norwegian and smallie Jet 2. Why is Europe's biggest and most favourite airline, and perhaps most profitable, simply not the top of the tree? Don't say we are 10/20% better than the lowly ones, just say "we are the best"or shut up.
Is that the Big Bad Union that cooperates inside a decades long reasonably happy & profitable Britannia/Thomson/Tui; or LoCo major competitor easy jet, that also seems reasonably a happy and profitable place and which seems, we are told, to offer better T's & C's?
Interesting that RYR sets its stall, of T's & C's, out against the newbie Norwegian and smallie Jet 2. Why is Europe's biggest and most favourite airline, and perhaps most profitable, simply not the top of the tree? Don't say we are 10/20% better than the lowly ones, just say "we are the best"or shut up.
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From: Europe
Does anyone have any news about the crew's intentions or did they cave in?
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From: Middle East
Primera are about to start hiring for the first of their 10 737 Max aircraft (based all over Europe). These will be going transatlantic alongside the A321neos.
They know they have to beat what RYR are offering to make it worthwhile. Road show at Stansted in the very near future. Another nail in MOL's coffin.
They know they have to beat what RYR are offering to make it worthwhile. Road show at Stansted in the very near future. Another nail in MOL's coffin.
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From: Under the radar
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My immediate thought when I saw the comments is that maybe FR have identified that rostering will be very tight from Easter due to resignations etc.
So MOL is proactively lining up someone else to blame (pesky unions) for the inevitable cancellations.
The goal being to portray the issue as a temporary IR problem, rather than a structural deficit of crew.
My immediate thought when I saw the comments is that maybe FR have identified that rostering will be very tight from Easter due to resignations etc.
So MOL is proactively lining up someone else to blame (pesky unions) for the inevitable cancellations.
The goal being to portray the issue as a temporary IR problem, rather than a structural deficit of crew.
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From: A little south of the "Black Sheep" brewery
I can just visualise the red flag with a hammer and sickle flying over your house and sewn on your flight-bag!
Any strike over Easter could be a perfect way of reducing the pilots' annual hours/days with someone else to blame!
How many airlines are there left in the UK now that don't have meaningful BALPA involvement?
Read a very good article recently about how the extreme of dealing with a union was a strike, while the extreme of not dealing with a union is that pilots leave. The total disruption caused by a strike is much less than the total disruption caused by pilots leaving, especially during periods (now!) of pilot shortages.
Any strike over Easter could be a perfect way of reducing the pilots' annual hours/days with someone else to blame!
How many airlines are there left in the UK now that don't have meaningful BALPA involvement?
Read a very good article recently about how the extreme of dealing with a union was a strike, while the extreme of not dealing with a union is that pilots leave. The total disruption caused by a strike is much less than the total disruption caused by pilots leaving, especially during periods (now!) of pilot shortages.
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From: hector's house
while the extreme of not dealing with a union is that pilots leave
it would be nice to see some actual strike action
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The travelling public want cheap tickets, even at the cost of the lifestyle of a pilot. They deserve to have their travel plans disrupted if they buy tickets knowing the pilot force of an airline is unhappy and threatening industrial action!
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From: Home Counties
The passengers know what they are getting when they buy tickets with Ryanair - and pilots at Ryanair knew what they were getting when they signed up and paid for their ratings.
The passengers are not to blame ...
The passengers are not to blame ...
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From: UK
In previous posts I have mentioned that their crewing issue will take at least 12 months to begin to right itself. There is no doubt the blame game is starting now, strikes or no strikes. They will have a good idea of the training through put for summer 2018 and also whether they are managing to retain people, my guess, it is going to be super tight on what is planned. This message about 'the platoons of goons' is not just for the media/passenger benefit but also for the various regulators. If you take the UK CAA it could not care to hoots who flies the passengers (viz a viz Qatar can appear at the drop of a regulators pen) so woe betide whoever messes up someones £9.99 flight. Ryanair's management are getting the narrative sorted early so they can move out of the sights, the aim is being directed.....answers on a postcard.