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Old 15th Dec 2017, 10:26
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Originally Posted by EI-mech
Here it is from the horse's mouth:

Ryanair Statement

This is probably the most important bit:


No union reps from other airlines allowed.
That is standard procedure.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 10:48
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Beware of O'Leary bearing gifts...!
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 10:58
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Be careful he doesn't pull out of the talks once the unions agree to drop the planned strike action ... after all he's only 'invited' them to talk and invitations can be withdrawn if something more desirable comes up as is often the case with pre-Christmas 'parties'!

Great progress (well done to those who held true) but don't let FR weasel out of recognizing trade unions what should be a mandatory legal part of running a company these days.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 11:06
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Originally Posted by EI-mech
Here it is from the horse's mouth:

Ryanair Statement

This is probably the most important bit:


No union reps from other airlines allowed.
So will his contract pilots be represented?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 11:22
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Glowball Warming

Does this mean Hell has frozen over?

Mo'L stated it would happen before he'd recognise/permit representation.

I'm not in Hell yet but heading for it so I will report back on the met conditions there if allowed a connection.............
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 11:29
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I think the devil is in the detail.....won't talk to other pilots unions ie the Ryanair works councils will now be called unions. Problem solved...we now have unions so why are you striking. It is trying to wrest the initiative away from the pilots and ultimately show them as being the ones ruining holidays etc etc. When you look at the crewing situation for next summer we now know where the blame is headed...those pesky unions and their precious pilots.

This is nothing more than a stunt to get through the Xmas period...

The letters may as well have been signed

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Old 15th Dec 2017, 11:31
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I suspect there might have been a few major share-holders making whispers. Perhaps other outside agencies as well. Or do people believe this was a real 'Road to Damascus' moment?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 11:34
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Now the unions/EERC involved have 5 days to get MOL around the table. They often call snap townhall meetings, take-it-or-leave-it type offers.

Hit him whilst he is on his knees, Christmas strikes will hit hard. You've got 5 days chaps, make them count

If there are any casulties, the ECA have set up a fund https://www.gofundme.com/pilotunity2017

This is a European Industry problem, lets help them help us all.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 11:53
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Originally Posted by RAT 5
I suspect there might have been a few major share-holders making whispers. Perhaps other outside agencies as well. Or do people believe this was a real 'Road to Damascus' moment?
I wouldn't say "Road to Damascus" just probably the inevitable realisation that the only way out of the situation that has developed was a compromise. I can perfectly understand why FR wouldn't want, for example, Aer Lingus IALPA pilots involved in any negotiations so offering to deal with unions on the suggested basis should give his pilots the bargaining facilities they want for themselves.

I believe the Italians have already called off their strike today but no word as yet from any other unions. I'm sure that IALPA were not expecting to wake up to this news and are possibly in a quandary as to how to respond but the ball has now been very effectively transferred to their court.

As things stand, this surprise move makes it, in football parlance, 1-1 with penalties about to be taken
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 12:01
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I hope they are being extra cautious about anything they agree with the company. Everyone knows their ways of getting things “solved” during the past 15 years or so.

I would still vote for the strike unless they are willing to recognize nation wide union with fare dealing among every single base.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 12:20
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Wait till xmas is over.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 12:37
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It’s a ruse.

Strike averted. Nothings been signed. Delaying tactics or change of tact coming.

Notwithstanding my best wishes to Ryanair staff, too long in this business to start celebrating.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 12:40
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Nobody told the BBC?

No mention of this on the Beeb News website.
Is this really odd, or am I just being paranoid?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 12:49
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If this is a cosmic shift in RYR internal behaviour what chances that MOL will stick around? What role has PB had in this and might he and others suggest it's time for a change of the old-guard? M.Thatcher's departure comes to mind. You did what was necessary, but don't over stay your welcome beyond your best used by date.
Take your golden parachute and find some other swamp to swim in and clean up.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 12:52
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Originally Posted by RHINO
I think the devil is in the detail.....won't talk to other pilots unions ie the Ryanair works councils will now be called unions.
The carrier said it would recognise unions "as the representative body for pilots in Ryanair in each of these countries, as long as they establish committees of Ryanair pilots to deal with Ryanair issues
Bingo

ERC under another another name. This is absolutely about (trying) to maintain coercive control.

The key point here is RYA wants 'union' representatives over which they have influence - i.e. employees of RYA.

Unions should have no part in legitimatizing this scam, and do everything possible (media etc) to highlight why it is a scam

A good alternative would be for unions to put forward reps who are not employees of ANY airline (perhaps some recently retired pilots could help here?) because this kicks away the 'competitor airlines' argument.

Regardless, this move is still a major concession by RYA - effectively they have agreed, without much fight, to change representation from base level to country level. No doubt this has been offered to try to prevent company wide representation via EERC.

They are on the back foot, so keep pushing!

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Old 15th Dec 2017, 13:04
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Well deserved fellow pilots, now the good work has to continue! It can be the start of a success story fighting for improving pilot conditions in Europe. I thought I would never see this in my career. Unity is the key!
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 13:14
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Originally Posted by Pilot2/b
Share price down 7% the shareholders don’t like the fact that conditions may start to improve for staff. Greed.....
The markets don't get it yet, but they sure will, give it time.

Due to the 'boomer bulge' we are fast moving into an era of tightening (skilled) labor supply, one in which adversarial IR will come to be seen as a liability; and positive, proactive IR will be seen as a competitive advantage.

Contrast the current FR situation with EZ

EZ have swiftly picked up large numbers of top quality staff from MON, AB. This is a win-win - the hires are grateful to get a fair offer from a (relatively) respectable employer, and the company gets fast expansion while saving on recruitment & training costs.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 13:21
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Having been there some years ago I must say that unless things change drastically since then, I would be most careful until the unions get some meetings with management. Just call me a cynic, but would not trust them as far as I can throw them. Not that strong either.

Merry Christmas to all fellow comrades with joysticks. Lol. Hope Santa delivers better t&c for all.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Fergus Kavanagh
No mention of this on the Beeb News website.
Is this really odd, or am I just being paranoid?
Ryanair in union offer to avoid Christmas strikes - BBC News
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 14:08
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Good news . Sets an example to others that it can be done .
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