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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 13:37
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I'm not sure (though I heard so) it's the case for RY pilots, but there are other means of obtaining submission.

Typically the agreed worked conditions are substantially better than those in contract. And should you apply work-to-rule, the company plays the same card. Thus 5 on 4 off turns into 6 on 2 off; 9 days off/month turn to 7, Yearly HOL award changes from 35 to 20, "available days" change to STBY and similar.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 14:01
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Rat5. If one was genuinely self employed, one can choose which parcels of work to accept or decline. This is one of the core tests that HMRC apply in the UK. So, if your pal is "genuinely self employed" then he/she can just say ''no thanks'. But this isn't genuine self employment is it?
Having been through a HMRC inspection (different industry) it's not something to look forward to. I was playing according to the rule, but the inspection is so tedious and time consuming. HMRC have sweeping powers, you do not want to be on the wrong side of them. Your friend would be wise to get out of that arrangement, just storing up angst if HMRC decide to inspect.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 14:44
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This is what BALPA told their UK members regarding strikes in other countries:

CAN WE JOIN THE OTHERS STRIKE?

Not lawfully, no. Any UK Ryanair pilot that takes part in another country’s strike in any way would be in breach of their contract of employment and liable to dismissal.


WHAT ABOUT IF RYANAIR ASKS US TO DO THE WORK OF STRIKING PILOTS?

The natural reaction is to support colleagues of course. However, to avoid potential dismissal for breach of contract, UK Ryanair pilots should continue to work in accordance with their contracts. This means that Ryanair can ask UK pilots to cover for striking pilots and a refusal could result in dismissal. It is important that pilots are not inadvertently caught out as a result of a wish to try and support their colleagues in other countries.


IS IT DIFFERENT FOR CONTRACT PILOTS?

BALPAs understanding is that IALPA has not included contractor pilots in its ballot so they will presumably be working as normal. Here, in the UK, contractor pilots should also work as normal in accordance with their contract.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 14:52
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BALPA playing the long game.....which is exactly what I would expect.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 15:06
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I suppose this action from the German pilots has blown a fair bit of wind in the sails of the Irish midget, in so far they've learned that if they can keep any industrial action isolated to a single base at a time, or even a couple of bases perhaps, they can largely cover the holes utilising crew from other bases. And since intended strike action will be declared days in advance, there's plenty of time to position stand-by crew.

What the EEAC have undoubtedly also learned, is that they need to be united over all organised bases in order to make any action felt, and to carry any action out simultaneously across those bases.

EU rules does not allow for sympathy strikes across borders, only domestically; the only way to instigate action across borders, is by coordinating the bases. I'd like to see MoL's face if that happens.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 15:32
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Calling VC a "Lufthansa Union" is typical MoL BS.

Since decades VC is representing pilots of Lufthansa's competitors.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 16:07
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Summary:

Ryanair has recognized unions!

One union has had a 4 hr strike!

This is monumental.

Anyone pilot suggesting this a few years ago would be given a Loss of Licence due to obvious severe mental illness.

Times are indeed changing!
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 16:57
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Ryanair has recognized unions!

Have there been any talks between the 2 or more parties? And does anyone know what was concluded? There seems to have been lots of posturing, but was there any discussing?
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 18:21
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No recognition agreements signed. Not even close. So no, Ryanair haven't recognized unions.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 21:18
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You can still - always - call in sick if asked to cover for striking colleagues.

Anything else is plain stupid.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 08:35
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Wait, hold on just a moment....So in the United Kingdom, you can actually be forced to do the work of striking employees? And the union (BALPA) regrettably has to inform its members that this is indeed the sorry state of affairs?
What kind of third world country is this?
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 09:57
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Originally Posted by ELondonPax
Rat5. If one was genuinely self employed, one can choose which parcels of work to accept or decline. This is one of the core tests that HMRC apply in the UK. So, if your pal is "genuinely self employed" then he/she can just say ''no thanks'. But this isn't genuine self employment is it?
That depends what your contract says. I have signed contracts saying I must put in 40 hours per week, 9-5 Monday to Friday. If I don't I have to provide a substitute. No scope for not turning up there.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 09:59
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Originally Posted by fox niner
Wait, hold on just a moment....So in the United Kingdom, you can actually be forced to do the work of striking employees? And the union (BALPA) regrettably has to inform its members that this is indeed the sorry state of affairs?
What kind of third world country is this?
No you can't - if they work in the same company and country as you. But there is no EU-wide law on strikes, as far as I know, so you can't refuse to cover for striking workers in another country.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 10:55
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But you can feel unwell that day. And that is what Ryanair Pilots must do, if they are to achieve anything meaningful.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 10:55
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Various western countries have removed much of the ability to withdraw labour. Further efforts have been made to alleviate the ability of labour to stop an industry, both directly and through supply chain and logistics (ie a supplier fails to deliver products to support striking workers elsewhere)

Is it any wonder that GDP per capita has fallen? The game is rigged!

Balance is needed, the problem business has is that although rigged, there was a fatal flaw in the model: They relied on over supply of pilots....
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 11:06
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The over supply of pilots will come again before you know it. It has always been this way and any complacency is unjustified. Ryanair Pilots must act now and in unsison before this opportunity is gone. By doing so they improve their contracts and the contracts that they may get in the future with another airline - as Ryanair has become the bench mark.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 14:17
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German prosecuting attorney is sueing two Ryanair contractors (five Brits).

Ryanair: Staatsanwaltschaft Koblenz erhebt Anklage im Fall selbstständiger Piloten - SPIEGEL ONLINE
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 18:33
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Two contractors, of which five are Brits?

Ryanair did the math themselves?
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 19:13
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2 Contracting companies, 5 "Directors"
Brookfield and ?
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 21:16
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ExDubai, I wasn't accurate on that.
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