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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 07:41
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
If you think that a roster with 750/800 hours, with often 4 sectors days and 5 early reports in a row cannot be fatiguing, Sir, you are perfect Ryanair material, or have never been in the industry before.
After many years of perusing this forum, I feel obliged to actually register and reply to this comment.
I have spent around 25 years flying for two UK airlines, both sadly went bust.
I now find myself at RYR, and I can assure you that the fixed 5/4 roster pattern is excellent for managing fatigue, unlike the variable rosters I had at my previous employers.
There is minimal roster disruption too (again, unlike my previous airlines).

Just wanted to add this to add a bit of perspective to comments I have read.


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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 23:44
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Originally Posted by Pumal1w View Post


After many years of perusing this forum, I feel obliged to actually register and reply to this comment.
I have spent around 25 years flying for two UK airlines, both sadly went bust.
I now find myself at RYR, and I can assure you that the fixed 5/4 roster pattern is excellent for managing fatigue, unlike the variable rosters I had at my previous employers.
There is minimal roster disruption too (again, unlike my previous airlines).

Just wanted to add this to add a bit of perspective to comments I have read.


my God... it is better do not ask about your previous roster then.
If you live in Malaga or a 2 sectors base is not bad but if you work in a base like Madrid for example is big disgrace. 4 sectors 25 min turnaround and loooong taxi plus slots...
simple, it is a completely different work.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 12:36
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I find some of the comments on here highly suspect.

I'd imagine it goes without saying, but if you're thinking of joining, I'd suggest you speak to someone who actually works there, not trusting the words upon an annonymous internet forum.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 14:58
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Samba I’m going to guess that you have never worked for a Uk based charter airline? Random roster all summer with very few weekend days off, night flights, short notice roster changes etc etc.This is commonplace in the UK.

My experience exactly mirrors that of Pumal1w. I guess my username reveals my former employer but I know that other UK charter operators have similar rostering issues.

There are are many things to moan about in RYR but in my experience the fixed roster is definitely not one of them.

Obviously the charter airline summer carnage is mainly a Northern European phenomenon and it may well be that our colleagues in Southern Europe have superior rostering practices. I should also point out that I have been extremely fortunate not to have to commute which obviously results on a more pleasant work/life balance.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 00:35
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Originally Posted by clvf88 View Post
I find some of the comments on here highly suspect.

I'd imagine it goes without saying, but if you're thinking of joining, I'd suggest you speak to someone who actually works there, not trusting the words upon an annonymous internet forum.
Glad to help if someone wants to know details. But I will NOT reply to "new" members.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 00:41
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Originally Posted by spottyemm View Post
Samba I’m going to guess that you have never worked for a Uk based charter airline? Random roster all summer with very few weekend days off, night flights, short notice roster changes etc etc.This is commonplace in the UK.

My experience exactly mirrors that of Pumal1w. I guess my username reveals my former employer but I know that other UK charter operators have similar rostering issues.

There are are many things to moan about in RYR but in my experience the fixed roster is definitely not one of them.

Obviously the charter airline summer carnage is mainly a Northern European phenomenon and it may well be that our colleagues in Southern Europe have superior rostering practices. I should also point out that I have been extremely fortunate not to have to commute which obviously results on a more pleasant work/life balance.

Last block of your comment - ermmm, hell no. Southern Europe is the same crap as northern Europe if not even worse. How would you come to this conclusion? The south does a s**tload of flights up north, combined with internal routes. So no, no beer/vine while laying on my pool doing nothing. Only thing that is true as well for the south - we have as well 5/4. Nothing else. You mistake bases doing only mid range flights(and for this reason ending up with only 2 sectors/day) with the GENERAL situation in all southern bases.

But I agree so far that 5/4 is one of the few good things(and I need 2 of this 4 off days just to recover from my "pleasant" 5 days on). And being more or less every day with my family(which is only true for those of us who managed to get the base of their choice. On Commuting this job is a nightmare). Nothing more.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 07:48
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Originally Posted by tomuchwork View Post
Last block of your comment - ermmm, hell no. Southern Europe is the same crap as northern Europe if not even worse. How would you come to this conclusion? The south does a s**tload of flights up north, combined with internal routes. So no, no beer/vine while laying on my pool doing nothing. Only thing that is true as well for the south - we have as well 5/4. Nothing else. You mistake bases doing only mid range flights(and for this reason ending up with only 2 sectors/day) with the GENERAL situation in all southern bases.

But I agree so far that 5/4 is one of the few good things(and I need 2 of this 4 off days just to recover from my "pleasant" 5 days on). And being more or less every day with my family(which is only true for those of us who managed to get the base of their choice. On Commuting this job is a nightmare). Nothing more.
completely agree with you in everything... +1
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 19:09
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Regarding the 'fixed' 5/4 - are they still rostering sims / deadheading for 'out of base' on days off?

Also, are rosters still only confirmed with one weeks notice?
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 10:56
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For me at least, both of those have been rostered within the 5 day block.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 14:22
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Originally Posted by clvf88 View Post
Regarding the 'fixed' 5/4 - are they still rostering sims / deadheading for 'out of base' on days off?

Also, are rosters still only confirmed with one weeks notice?
It depends a lot if they are short on that base or not. 1 day off might be for DH.

What do you mean by confirmed? Although the active week is confirmed, they still can make changes! So I wouldn't really count on that.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 19:18
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Originally Posted by plikee View Post
It depends a lot if they are short on that base or not. 1 day off might be for DH.

What do you mean by confirmed? Although the active week is confirmed, they still can make changes! So I wouldn't really count on that.
Hummmm... DH on day off? Then it's not a day off! Because on a day off I am free to do whatever I want and to choose wherever I go. Tell me you get overtime pay for that (day off rate)?
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 19:25
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Originally Posted by Newcomer2 View Post
Tell me you get overtime pay for that (day off rate)?
Not even on your wettest dreams. Remember they are low cost carrier, not a legacy.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by plikee View Post
It depends a lot if they are short on that base or not. 1 day off might be for DH.

What do you mean by confirmed? Although the active week is confirmed, they still can make changes! So I wouldn't really count on that.
So its 'fixed' 5/4, unless they need you to deadhead and then its not. Only the active week is confirmed so can you potentially lose your day off with a weeks notice then? I was hoping things might have got better with the union recognition.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 20:42
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Yep, again the DH might happen in your 5 working days and lately that has been the case but if you out of base from a place with not so good connections then you might only be able to DH back on you day 1 off. You won't lose your days off for a flying duty including the ones out of the active week. If they roster you for that, just ask them politely to remove it and they will, don't have any choice really. The only time you only have 3 days off and work 6 days is during your simulator week, twice a year.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 20:49
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Originally Posted by plikee View Post
Yep, again the DH might happen in your 5 working days and lately that has been the case but if you out of base from a place with not so good connections then you might only be able to DH back on you day 1 off. You won't lose your days off for a flying duty including the ones out of the active week. If they roster you for that, just ask them politely to remove it and they will, don't have any choice really. The only time you only have 3 days off and work 6 days is during your simulator week, twice a year.
Thanks for the info, sir.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 21:00
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A couple of facts that we are probably all familiar with but just in case;

In FR;

1. DH on days off shouldn't happen
2. Days off are days off!
3. 5/4 is inifinitum except 6/3 twice a year.
4. Pilots will be pilots..........
5. Rostering depts will be rostering depts and chance their arm.......

When I come across a pilot that's positioned on a day off or been rostered for something odd outside the norm 5/4, I ask did you complain/point it out and get it changed?

Pilots response;

1. Didn't want to rock the boat got my command coming up.
2. Didn't want to rock the boat hoping to my transfer to Malaga/Alicante/Tenerife etc
3. Didn't want to rock the boat at all.
4. Suited me - WHAT??
5. If I got it changed they might move my sim and I want it out of the way...
6. Im new so didn't want to rock the boat.

You get the idea. So we don't do ourselves any favours and rostering depts know how to play the game.

Personally anything odd or weird thats appeared on my roster has always been changed back to how it should be. But you have to ask!



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Old 7th Jun 2019, 19:55
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Does FR still holds bases in Scandinavia? If yes, where and are those direct possibilities after TR training? Considering the possibility to relocate back to the North.
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 13:58
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Originally Posted by breakdip View Post
Does FR still holds bases in Scandinavia? If yes, where and are those direct possibilities after TR training? Considering the possibility to relocate back to the North.
scandi bases are deadman shoes, expect a 10yr wait as captain I would say unless there is some expansion there
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 18:22
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There was quite a bit of experienced NTR FO recruitment about 6/7 months ago. Any word if that might be happening again soon?
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Old 9th Jun 2019, 23:18
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Originally Posted by plikee View Post
Yep, again the DH might happen in your 5 working days and lately that has been the case but if you out of base from a place with not so good connections then you might only be able to DH back on you day 1 off. You won't lose your days off for a flying duty including the ones out of the active week. If they roster you for that, just ask them politely to remove it and they will, don't have any choice really. The only time you only have 3 days off and work 6 days is during your simulator week, twice a year.
Fully agree. What always nerves me that you need to push them to follow the "rules". They know it, so do not put it in my roster. I simply do not want to deal with the "mothership" to be honest. Same goes with that 6/3. Like I do the sim for fun and they do not need me current back on the line. As a "thank you"(for paying your own hotel during sim check, as well on RYR contract) you may work 6 days and have only 3 off.

Another fantastic trend I discovered(at least it happened to me a few times) - they do not reach you on your off days(because they want you to fly) and I never answer company calls IN my off days sometimes they just decide to put a WOFF(working day off) in my roster. If I don't like it I have to start to deal with them. Again - I do not like to deal with people that do not give a s*** about what I need. Might it be operational(asking for a re-route that for sure would work but they prefer the cheaper route with a slot delay or a CI100 FPL and at best they decide to ignore that annoying stupid captain that simply should fly his tiny plane and should not bother dealing with the mothership) or any other requests that are out of the CLA.


All a big game here and I am tired of playing it.
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