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Old 8th Jul 2017, 17:14
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Yet again an airline (actually admitting) to being short of pilots.

A 'lack of quality' in the market, no less.

So ...........

Where is the upward pressure on T&C's?

Where are the improved contracts?

Are the guys there being looked after and respected?

It's amazing that market forces never appear to have any effect on the conditions in the UK.

Now - how can this be?
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 18:57
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Originally Posted by skyflyer737 View Post
Enzo - yes they are. Basic pay is QR22575, housing 13000, utilities & transportation 1800, flight pay for 70 block hrs 7280. Total Qatari Rials 44655. Exch rate = 4.15 to the Euro.

No tax so take home is €10760. Friends are earning this monthly. Am I missing something? I'm not saying to to Qatar but it seems these are the correct figures
Those figures have obviously increased since I left but you are still slightly off the mark. I make 70 hours 6300QR, the housing allowance you will never see if you stay in company apartments and if you rent privately you will have to add some (unless you share like uni stundents, not idea for people with families). So take home in your bank will be about 31,000QR which at your rate of 4.28 is 7300Euros, but try getting that rate, it will be closer to 4.5 which is 6680Euros, quite different to the 11,000 you quoted. I think your mates might be making it sound better than it actually is to justify living there.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 19:05
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All the ME3 pay roughly the same. At EK, opted out you would clear 46,000 dhs easily as FO, or £9,700 net. Mortgage on a nice small family house around £2,000 a month. House back home down south rented out for close to that which cancels out Dubai mortgage. But yes 11,000 euro is correct.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 19:42
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What can I say I must have miss read my payslips for all those years. Still with money like that the ME carriers must have people queuing round the block to join! Belive me or not, in 3 years I never once took home more than 5k (company accommodation and no house to rent down south). Anyway this is becoming a thread creep, back to Norwegian.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 19:52
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the housing allowance you will never see if you stay in company apartments
if you don't consider housing allowance in the grand total then you have to substract the rent or mortgage you pay in uk from your BA pay to make an even comparison.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 07:45
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INKJET;

No mission, just replies regarding Norwegian’s labor scheme, operational irregularities, and response to personal attack chump posts.

As one of Norwegian’s apologists, even you will agree, the experienced pilots posting of their refusal by Norwegian may have one thing in common; they probably dared to ask for more details on the precarious terms and conditions. The clause enabling Norwegian to terminate pilot service contracts between airline and agency without notice, reason or recourse, may have caused early exits at the wonderland road shows. That particular clause, together with the Norwegian airline being the exclusive client, makes the “permanent employment” claim at best, disingenuous. Although some have had spectacular rises from F/O to LTC after just four years – perhaps assisted by office loitering. Incidentally, a LTC was giving a check onboard a Norwegian 787 when it departed illegally without the required number of crew (DY7006 JFK-ARN, reg: LNF). Consequently, a LTC title at Norwegian does not impress.

Apparently, Norwegian’s UK contingent is the only group content. As you know, there are regular media reports of labor disputes between Norwegian and its crews in Italy, Spain and the US. The Scandinavia group has an ongoing court case to obtain a legal ruling the Norwegian airline is the real employer. Why hasn’t BALPA pursued this option for you and your LGW chums?

As for Norwegian taking over the long haul low-cost world, lets wait later this month for the response from the DOT to the petition by the ‘Labor Parties’ against the egregious decision of the Obama administration in granting Norwegian a permit. New legislation is also pending. Any claim of creating airline employment for pilots in the US is more akin to creating airline unemployment via a service provider employer – check US road show attendance figures.

On the positive side, Norwegian does have newer aircraft than some airlines – unfortunately, they do sometimes break at the most inappropriate times -

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1219648/n...-after-launch/

To those Norwegian "employees" on this thread, please, I implore you, if you are tired or otherwise unfit, do not be enticed to fly by Norwegian’s offer of quadruple payments. Follow the advice of your pilot group, repeated below, and think of the safety of your passengers! –

Pilot-leder sier sikkerhet er grunnen når Norwegian-piloter sier nei til «superlønn» - Frykter Norwegian-tilbud om firedobbel lønn: - Slitne piloter kan bli fristet til å fly - Dagbladet

Giddy-up….
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Not trying to impress anyone here, it's funny that you think so :-) If you haven't been sacked and actually like it here you are trying to IMPRESS? Haha! But why should colleagues considering to join only read sad stories of people who go sacked for misconduct ? It's lightyears from the average career path which looks more like mine. I'm saying that everyone doesn't dislike it here, and was wondering what legacy airline in Europe offers so much better conditions. A question still unattended. In fact it's quite seldom I fly with people looking for other jobs. The only guys I know off who left, either failed their upgrade or was offered a job at home. In an airline that grows at this speed it's normal for opportunities to arise sooner than at legacy airlines. I do perfectly understand why a 22 year old would go to KLM, in the long run its probably better. But being in my mid 30's I fail to see what other great jobs are on offer in Europe? I'm sick of sucking everyone in the office to rise, so please let me know. Share your wise insight, or stop moaning about your personal failures. It's actually a bit sad and tiring to listen to.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 12:12
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Does Norwegian guarantee a specific base. E.g. if I get hired intending to go to FCO would I risk being given LGW after signing the contract?
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 17:49
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On LH, FCO is the only base you can get hired directly and it will be stated in your contract. LGW will be the base for everyone else, you can bid afterwards for a different base with your chances of getting it depending on seniority of course.

You will get whats stated in your contracts, no changing after you sigend unless you bid for something else.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 05:57
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Which bases are available at the moment?
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 07:52
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Base in Longhaul are LGW, BKK, AMS, CDG, BCN, FCO (later this year), FLL. Not every base is available though in every bidding round and chances getting into AMS are zero at the moment.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 09:18
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let's speak serious. Everybody knows that the chance to get some of these bases are 0,0000. BCN? Forget about it...
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 09:23
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And bases available for the 737?
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 14:13
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Hi guys,

I have decided to explore the possibility of applying non type rated 787 first officer. I have over 3000hrs and work for the orange clockwork based in France.

Is it that bad long haul as well? Anyone here could give me some info about it?

Please feel free to PM me.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 17:19
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Direct Bondi

This is an interesting thread but anything from you i just tend to scroll through without reading it. I suspect i'm not alone......Sorry
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 18:50
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Twiglet your not alone, I do the same now that in the previous posts it's been revealed that Direct Bondi was a fraud and terminated rightly so.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 21:42
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OMDB30R;

Please provide details to support your defamatory claim.

It is my understanding the Norwegian contract provides for immediate termination without a notice period in such circumstances.

Tread carefully.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 22:19
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Well, I feel that I should chime in.
Having worked for Norwegian for 3 years, I tend to agree with most of what Bondi and Captainplaystation are saying about Norwegian. Furthermore, I can say that it is disingenuous to suggest that Norwegian captains are making 16k per month. Yes there might be a few Mgmt type pilots who are on that type of money. But as a regular non-Scandinavian based captain the pay is more along the lines of 10k per month, or even less if based in the US or Italy.
And as to Norwegian asking pilot to leave (fired), I think that the number was around 50 just a few winters ago.
Having said all of this, I did enjoy my time in Norwegian. And if it wasn't for all the broken promises, I would have stayed.
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 06:16
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Leave/fired

Two winters ago there were indeed some winter layoffs, agreed along way from ideal to put it mildly, they were winter layoff and all had the opportunity to rejoin but i don't blame them one bit for not doing so and this has and still is harming Norwegians ability to recruit.

With the winter Caribbean based flying program and Chicago charter flying program the European winter low season is now better balanced.
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 08:24
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All were not given the opportunity to rejoin after winter layoffs. Norwegian took that opportunity to do some cleansing, probably of those previously complaining of crew rostering, non-compliance with the Master Seniority List and operational shortcomings.

It is not acceptable to excuse Norwegian’s past transgressions with a purported “better balanced” current state of affairs. As I have stated, due to Norwegian’s atypical labor scheme, affected individuals, then and now, have no recourse against their “real employer”, the respective Norwegian airline division.

Things may be improving, but this is associated more with Norwegian's pilots and cabin crew recognizing the critical need for union representation with the airline, not their service provider employer. I still cannot fathom why UK based crews pay union dues to BALPA for representation to a staffing agency. Why do members not insist BALPA seek a legal ruling the Norwegian airline is the real employer? - As achieved by Norwegian’s US based cabin crew:

“By the direction of the National Mediation Board, I am enclosing the certification, in the matter of representation of Flight Attendants, employees of Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA” – direct link:

http://cabinassociation.org/wp-conte...ing-letter.pdf

Norwegian has the opportunity to take action against any post I have made. I contacted the owners of this website, Internet Brands, only yesterday.

Back to the topic of this thread; Norwegian’s crew shortages continue, with another flight cancelled and passengers left stranded and distraught, simply by a staff sickness event:

http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/be...light-13302883

EASA GM2 ORO.AOC 135(a), details the competence of nominated airline Post Holders – and EU 376/2014 details non-punitive safety reporting, a regulation I suggest those flying for Norwegian become familiar.
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