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Old 7th Jul 2017, 09:53
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Spot on A&C it was sad to loose Captainplaystation but the fact is the number of pilots asked to leave is minimal I know of only 3 or 4 in 5+ years.

RATS

No zero hour contracts at Norwegian thankfully + sick pay +paid holidays and (UK SH/LH 738 fleet) get private health and a pension, no rostered positioning on days off, B&B hotels provided out of base (in base if required on consecutive deep night flights) sim is duty time ditto all ground school.

Sure there is always room for improvements
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 10:49
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Fully agree with inkjet.
Disregard bondi and PlayStation.
Decent terms and conditions. Im FO and taking home 4700 euros pr month. Private health care, pension, holidays and sick days, LOL, medical, license all paid for.
Possibilities on the max are fourthcoming for all, so are tempo basings in the Caribian in the winter or US bases for summer. Not for all, but if you are ryan I say come on over(many are, once again)
A problem could be basing, you have to be a bit flexible in the beginning but once you have gained a bit on senority it helps to get the preferred base and staying there.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 10:50
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By the way...

Yesterday the Norwegian shares in exchange market dropped 7,7 % due to massive sales. Seems to be there was a rumour about resignation of Financial Manager...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/shares-in-norwegian-air-drop-after-finance-chief-resigns-1.3145413?mode=amp
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 12:14
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Originally Posted by directmisbi View Post
Fully agree with inkjet.
Disregard bondi and PlayStation.
Decent terms and conditions. Im FO and taking home 4700 euros pr month. Private health care, pension, holidays and sick days, LOL, medical, license all paid for.
Do you not pay tax and NI ? Or is that another perk of the contract ?
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Oh dear, seems Bondi's credibility has taken a hit. Looks like his high horse is actually a pit pony.

I know a fair few Norwegian 737 pilots. Some are unhappy but most are not looking to move just as you might find at any other airline. I know of 1 captain who took home £10k in a month (including working a few days off) on top of the medical cover, loss of license, pension, staff travel. Not too bad for the supposed pariah of the industry. He certainly doesn't hate the company but then again he wasn't fired for irregularities.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 15:40
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Just to be clear I have no beef with Norwegian and have flown with them quite a few times as a punter and I thought they were thoroughly excellent to fly with.

However INKJET mentioned 4 words in his post that were very scary to me;

"consecutive deep night flights"

A little spoilt perhaps in my little imperfect world but that what happens when you get used to gentleman hours perhaps.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 15:59
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Thirty five years in the flying business and five + with Norwegian and it is the whole business that I am sick of, Norwegian is slightly above par for the game with there being a number of operators I have worked for who are a lot worse.

They are certainly not helped by their unusual employment model but that being said they have lasted a lot longer than the last two companies I worked for so from a personal point of view at least my bank account is ahead of the game.

Most of Norwegian's detractors have never worked for the company, Captainplaystation I have some sympathy for as he was around for a while but was a victim of his own Internet opinions , Bondi however was only with the company for a month or so and irregularities had been found in his career history and so was asked to leave.

On the whole I think the Norwegian management are deeply aware of the mistakes that they made a few years back when they laid off pilots over the winter as this decision has come back to haunt them and cost them far more than it saved them.

So to sum it all up in a business that is not what it once was Norwegian is slightly above average in terms of T's & C's and a long way from being bad place to work, but to put it into perspective it is NOT the dire place that it's leading detractor would have you think.
For those of you who have never flown for a legacy airline (despite their pitfalls too) - I FEEL SO, SO SORRY FOR YOU. You never went trough a real recruitment process, you never felt the pride of passing "the real thing".. YOU FREAKIN' JOINED the Norwegian. OMFG - so sorry for you ladies.
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Now looking for a CFO as well as FOs

CFO of Norwegian, Frode Foss has decided to leave the company. Vice President Investor Relations, Tore Østby, will take on the position for an interim period.

Foss has been the CFO of Norwegian since the company was established in 2002.

"I am very grateful for the work Frode Foss has done for Norwegian throughout all these years. He has done a great job for Norwegian since the company was established, and it is understandable that he, after 15 years as CFO, wants to concentrate on other tasks,” says Norwegian’s CEO Bjørn Kjos.

"It’s been a fantastic journey and I’m pleased that Bjørn Kjos let me take part in building the company to what it is today. Now it’s time for me to explore new ventures. I wish Norwegian all the best for the future,” says Frode Foss.

In response to the news, Norwegian shares dropped by 8.3% to 222.4 Norwegian crowns.
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For those of you who have never flown for a legacy airline (despite their pitfalls too) - I FEEL SO, SO SORRY FOR YOU. You never went trough a real recruitment process, you never felt the pride of passing "the real thing".. YOU FREAKIN' JOINED the shitty Norwegian. OMFG - so sorry for you ladies.
Oh, do you need 'higher' qualifications to join a legacy airline? I had no idea! Just out of interest, what would these specialist skills be then?
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 19:10
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B&B hotels provided out of base (in base if required on consecutive deep night flights)
In the U.K. - a taxable benefit?
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 19:22
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Originally Posted by directmisbi View Post
Fully agree with inkjet.
Disregard bondi and PlayStation.
Decent terms and conditions. Im FO and taking home 4700 euros pr month. Private health care, pension, holidays and sick days, LOL, medical, license all paid for.
Possibilities on the max are fourthcoming for all, so are tempo basings in the Caribian in the winter or US bases for summer. Not for all, but if you are ryan I say come on over(many are, once again)
A problem could be basing, you have to be a bit flexible in the beginning but once you have gained a bit on senority it helps to get the preferred base and staying there.
I would say those terms are more than "decent" that's more money than I make at BA, hits Monarch out the park and is only just less than the tax free haven of Qatar.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 21:37
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All pilots in the UK are on PAYE with tax & NI deducted at source, of course some are non UK nationals and have to sort out the bi laterals but they pay UK NI & Tax.

99% of out base HOTAC is in other countries so there is no benefit in kind, EASA FTl's allow consecutive deep nights, however in order to reduce travel time and maximise rest a local hotel will be provided on request.

Bondi is on a mission against Norwegian 99% of all of his posts are about norwegian and I've yet see one that is + nothing life is perfect, but trust me there is far far worse out there.

Their overriding objective is to dominate the LoCo long haul market with LGW at its centre, the European short haul market is very difficult to grow in because of the dominant carriers in the shape of FR and to a lesser extent easyJet
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For those of you who have never flown for a legacy airline (despite their pitfalls too) - I FEEL SO, SO SORRY FOR YOU. You never went trough a real recruitment process, you never felt the pride of passing "the real thing".. YOU FREAKIN' JOINED the Norwegian. OMFG - so sorry for you ladies.
Haha what a joke. I'm on an average gross salary of around 16.000 euros+pension as LTC. I'm on salary step 4 of 12. I joined the airline 4 years ago as FO. What legacy airline in Europe could provide me with that ? I have been called for interview at SAS but didn't bother to even go there. The first year CPT salary here was better than the highest ever achievable salary there. Plus starting salary as FO was almost double at Norwegian. Sure you've got some perks that I couldn't care less about. I'm in it for time at home and money. The job itself, we can all agree, is THE SAME. You seem proud of you soon-to-be bankrupt legacy carrier. Feel free to have an opinion. But judging an airline job by the tail logo shows that you are either 22 years old or just incredibly stupid. I guess you are one of those idiots posting pics of yourself at work on Instagram and wearing company merchandise at home because you think it's cool. It's not. BUT if that makes you happy, good for you. So don't waste your time feeling sorry for us... We are doing more than ok here :-)

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Old 8th Jul 2017, 00:19
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is only just less than the tax free haven of Qatar.
Are you kidding? Starting salary for FOs in ME carriers are c. €11,000 per month at current exchange rates.

I gave up a day off about 12 months ago to attend a Norwegian roadshow. Initial presentation was inspiring, enough to think this was a gig worth considering. This was followed by the slide with the T&Cs..... Which was followed swiftly by a clash of chairs as folks dashed for the door.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 07:14
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Not even close! I was there 4 years ago and was making 4.5k a month in U.K. Pounds, they did provide accommodation on top but my take home pay was not that impressive. Exchange rates may have changed the situation slightly and rate may have gone up but they are not making 11,000 euros a month!
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Enzo - yes they are. Basic pay is QR22575, housing 13000, utilities & transportation 1800, flight pay for 70 block hrs 7280. Total Qatari Rials 44655. Exch rate = 4.15 to the Euro.

No tax so take home is €10760. Friends are earning this monthly. Am I missing something? I'm not saying to to Qatar but it seems these are the correct figures
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Everyone is so obsessed with money ? What happened with lifestyle?
Can you go 75% with Norwegian?
Or do you work yourself to an early grave ?
I hope that my last words aren't "if only I earned more money"
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 14:38
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But judging an airline job by the tail logo shows that you are either 22 years old or just incredibly stupid.
president,

It was sarcasm.

Everyone up north with half an interest in the business knows Norwegian crew are on better money than SAS crew. Heck, if you join Cityjet you'll be making more than in SAS over the course of a career.

I hope Norwegian T&C stays so, for you. But as far as I am concerned if Norwegian at any time wants to pocket some more money, isn't there a good chance they'll just return you to the agency? Possibly offering you a new, reduced, contract in their next breath with a new agency? No union to hold it together. I am not well-versed with the ins and outs in Norwegian, but I am skeptical whenever someone hires people through agencies for permanent positions.

Now I do admit that SAS has seemingly also found a way around status-quo with their new 'SAS Ireland' The repercussions are yet to be seen.
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Oh, do you need 'higher' qualifications to join a legacy airline? I had no idea! Just out of interest, what would these specialist skills be then?
Recruitment process my dear. But WTF would you know, or care.
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Haha what a joke. I'm on an average gross salary of around 16.000 euros+pension as LTC. I'm on salary step 4 of 12. I joined the airline 4 years ago as FO. What legacy airline in Europe could provide me with that ? I have been called for interview at SAS but didn't bother to even go there. The first year CPT salary here was better than the highest ever achievable salary there. Plus starting salary as FO was almost double at Norwegian. Sure you've got some perks that I couldn't care less about. I'm in it for time at home and money. The job itself, we can all agree, is THE SAME. You seem proud of you soon-to-be bankrupt legacy carrier. Feel free to have an opinion. But judging an airline job by the tail logo shows that you are either 22 years old or just incredibly stupid. I guess you are one of those idiots posting pics of yourself at work on Instagram and wearing company merchandise at home because you think it's cool. It's not. BUT if that makes you happy, good for you. So don't waste your time feeling sorry for us... We are doing more than ok here :-)
Yes, the industry has gone down to the level of your type. The number you mention don't impress those of us who's been around for a tart bit longer than you Spiky hair. Nothing wrong with liking flying plebs around and being used as a bloody tool, that's precisely what these shitty outfits like Norwegian and Ryanair are living off. Have fun bloke.
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