Norwegian Lack of Pilots
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Of course Norwegian is short of pilots.
Pilots will not apply and be subjected to Norwegian’s gross hypocrisy, which may adversely affect their lives.
Pilots also prefer airline employment to service industry temporary employment. Read a sample contract. Even better, have a labor law attorney read it for you.
The EU Commission report on the Norwegian/OSM merger and its convolutions can be read here:-
http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...7949_400_3.pdf
Exploring the direct employment circumvention is tantamount to following the rabbit hole of the Matrix. You can take the blue pill, or red, Kool-Aid pill.
Pilots will not apply and be subjected to Norwegian’s gross hypocrisy, which may adversely affect their lives.
Pilots also prefer airline employment to service industry temporary employment. Read a sample contract. Even better, have a labor law attorney read it for you.
The EU Commission report on the Norwegian/OSM merger and its convolutions can be read here:-
http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...7949_400_3.pdf
Exploring the direct employment circumvention is tantamount to following the rabbit hole of the Matrix. You can take the blue pill, or red, Kool-Aid pill.
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There is no real pilot shortage at all. However, there might be a certain shortage of terms and conditions that appeal to experienced pilots. What some airlines in europe do not realise, that especially on the captains market they actually do compete with chinese airlines which offer european bases, working half a year at twice to three times the pay. And of course they do compete with european airlines that do offer better terms and conditions as well. Although those usually do not hire DECs, they can and do train internally.
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heard it through the grapevine that they are also failing to crew their US 737MAX operation with the FAA pilots they were looking for . Word is that they are now going to crew the MAX with EU pilots based temporarily in Europe
"If FAA, validation & conversion to EASA is required during the first 2 years. (Pilots will be assisted to obtain)"
The mere thought of slaying that dragon would make me want to lie down on the couch and watch reruns of Gilligan's Island.
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When the Captain base salary at the 737 MAX bases is what a 5 year FO makes in most non regional US airlines, its no wonder they are going to struggle to find enough guys. Add to that you basically have to live in the base city as there is still no jumpseat/staff ID agreements to get to you home on days off
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Funny thing here si how well they hide everything. How many time It's gonna takes the truth to arrive the passengers? One day, one week, one month...
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2017/06/29/union-norwegian-broke-contract/
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2017/06/29/union-norwegian-broke-contract/
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9000 hour pilot with 3000 hours PIC on 737NG current, qualified, no dings. JSFSAG I put in an app 5 months ago, took their silly video game test.. No word since... Either they are arrogant, stupid, or disorganized. Seriously?! Best of luck Norwegian. You've painted a very clear picture for me of your ops and your attitude towards professional pilots. You must be smoking more than just the fish up there.
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I thought it was established a long time ago that Norwegian guys were either in unfortunate circumstances (be it family at home and they've had enough pollution in China), or indeed they just lacked self respect.
I fail to see how any self respecting pilot would sign up to their pay alone, forget even the conditions. It is insulting to even read them. This is coming from a student pilot (thankfully managed to secure a respectable enough contract ... one where i'm paid a decent amount for my first years at least).
Point of the matter is that if they offered good conditions, they would not be struggling.
Things are pretty bad when you have even student pilots who would pull the plug on the career if it meant joining your company.
I fail to see how any self respecting pilot would sign up to their pay alone, forget even the conditions. It is insulting to even read them. This is coming from a student pilot (thankfully managed to secure a respectable enough contract ... one where i'm paid a decent amount for my first years at least).
Point of the matter is that if they offered good conditions, they would not be struggling.
Things are pretty bad when you have even student pilots who would pull the plug on the career if it meant joining your company.
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9000 hour pilot with 3000 hours PIC on 737NG current, qualified, no dings. JSFSAG I put in an app 5 months ago, took their silly video game test.. No word since... Either they are arrogant, stupid, or disorganized. Seriously?! Best of luck Norwegian. You've painted a very clear picture for me of your ops and your attitude towards professional pilots. You must be smoking more than just the fish up there.
And then you have guys like Nightstop, the great communicator who not only, despite his impeccable social skills, couldn't resist being extremely rude to a Norwegian guy making a mistake but who also feels thats totally acceptable and brags about his achievement on the forum here. Please continue working for your real LCC, you will not be missed.
Even more hilarious is that student pilot guy momo95, who has literally achieved nothing aviation wise except for being selected into a cadet program (good for him) telling now people with years of experience and thousands of hours they lack self respect, which is in fact really insulting but so ridiculous at the same time that I had good laugh about it.
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How did you come to the conclusion I've "achieved nothing aviation wise"? I'm genuinely interested. Have you assumed that because I'm a student pilot it means I had no life prior to it? I had a choice to continue in my previous aviation related role with very promising future prospects. However, I wanted to fly for a living and so left my role, that burning thing called the flying bug took over eventually.
But contracts like Norwegian? I would have stayed in my previous role, earnt a respectable amount and bought my own bloody plane to fly on weekends.
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Something I'm already seeing is the apparent tendency to attack one another when there is even a suggestion of malpractice. "Just be glad they're paying us" appears to be the motto for many. No wonder the likes of Norwegian are able to run riot, and no wonder those on the outside (those who would make good pilots) are no longer coming in their droves. Not everyone is so desperate to become a pilot, make no mistake. Obviously those who are haven't got the correct % of suitable airline individuals among their ranks. This leading to Norwegian unable to crew flights as has been reported.
They're trying to offer McDonald's pay and conditions whilst setting the selection bar at a surgeon's level. May it haunt them.
But contracts like Norwegian? I would have stayed in my previous role, earnt a respectable amount and bought my own bloody plane to fly on weekends.
Yes. You really do have to love pprune
Something I'm already seeing is the apparent tendency to attack one another when there is even a suggestion of malpractice. "Just be glad they're paying us" appears to be the motto for many. No wonder the likes of Norwegian are able to run riot, and no wonder those on the outside (those who would make good pilots) are no longer coming in their droves. Not everyone is so desperate to become a pilot, make no mistake. Obviously those who are haven't got the correct % of suitable airline individuals among their ranks. This leading to Norwegian unable to crew flights as has been reported.
They're trying to offer McDonald's pay and conditions whilst setting the selection bar at a surgeon's level. May it haunt them.
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The offering from NAS is
, hence why you don't have enough pilots. Get over yourself.
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To be fair to Parkbremse he is about the only one on any of the numerous Norwegian threads who is prepared to stick his neck above the parapet and defend them. Usually done rudely but at least he sticks to his guns which no one else seems willing to do. Must be lonely though.
As is with human nature, the most vocal are those who have a grievance. The majority, who are presumably happy, don't have the need to go on and on and on and on...
annakm:
"The majority, who are presumably happy, don't have the need to go on and on and on ..."
I think you have hit the nail on the head. I know quite a few Norwegian pilots and none of them appear to be particularly unhappy with their lot.
"The majority, who are presumably happy, don't have the need to go on and on and on ..."
I think you have hit the nail on the head. I know quite a few Norwegian pilots and none of them appear to be particularly unhappy with their lot.
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Possibly, but the threads dealing with Jet2 Easy Mon BA Thomson and even Ryanair always have dozens defending and supporting.
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I also concur, and furthermore, I would be interested to understand why some of those vocal individuals have such a venomous, almost pathological hatred of this airline? Would it be something to do with the circumstances in which they personally parted company with their former employer? Most of us who have made a mistake working for the wrong people just move on and put it down to a bad experience; not continue to launch a continued and personal vendetta.
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I guess that is possibly true as well but this thread is about Norwegian's lack of pilots. I think we all know who you refer to, but there are not many that hold up the Norwegian defence for their employment and recruitment practices and their terms and conditions. I thought that one of the main issues related to the view that you could not take Norwegian to an industrial tribunal because you weren't employed by them, but I might have misunderstood.
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I'm pretty sure NAI is not the worst place for a cadet pilot to start his career. Momo95, you have to get back on to earth. If you found something better, that's nice for you but I would say for the most of pilots straight out of school; it's not that bad!
Doesn't pretty much every LoCo airline offer the permanent base after employment?? It's wrong, but that the way it goes until enough people stand up and don't accept any other base than what they want.
Doesn't pretty much every LoCo airline offer the permanent base after employment?? It's wrong, but that the way it goes until enough people stand up and don't accept any other base than what they want.
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