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Old 17th Mar 2015, 13:57
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Thanks for the info chaps, apologies for starting a disagreement.

I would be happy to join on either the jet or the Q. From what is being said about the jet, am I to take it that pilots joining the company on the jet are currently on a Ryanairesque contract? Does this contract eventually lead to a full time contract directly with Flybe on the jet?

Regarding the Q (which is still of great interest to me), would anybody be able to post a typical roster for SOU or BHX? I have a young family, so minimal night stopping is quite high on my agenda, but I'd also like an interesting variety of flying, so would trade the two off for the correct base if I were lucky enough to pass the interview.

There seem to be a number of 'virtual' bases, namely LCY, NQY and BOH. Where are these currently crewed from?
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 14:08
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You're still missing the point. I have argued that Flybe will not hire a DEP from zero to hero straight onto the jet and in doing so will bypass everyone else who has bid to go on the fleet. To do so would be an absolute industrial relations disaster. If this chap gets hired and ends up on the seniority list as this: 517 TWICE Round the hold 12573 FO EJ BHX/MAN (yes I got the No. from the current list) then I'll eat my hat and I'll hold my hand up and say I was wrong.

Where did I state I knew the ins and outs of your contract? If the "ostensibly" was a mutual thing then that's more underhand than ever, but I'll still come on here and say in capital letters "I'm sorry LSM, you were right".

oh and p.s. My nose isn't out of joint. I don't fly the Q400.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 14:19
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Deano, the point is, it has happened before and it will, if deemed necessary, happen again. The reason it was ostensibly a two year contract was to appease the Dash fleet who did have their noses disjointed. It wasn't really a melodramatic disaster though. Plus I haven't said it will happen just that there is a chance it might.

Sorry, what, exactly, is underhanded?

You did fly the Dash thoug didn't you? Putting in all those years of graft just to get to a place that some people might just jump straight into. That'll chuff, I know.

Finally, where did I state that you stated that you knew the ins and outs of my contract? Keep moving the goalposts though if it makes you feel better.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 14:47
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Yes I get that was the reason, I am saying if that was the case then that is more underhand than I would've given the previous management for, but then I guess nothing should surprise me.
Look, you think they'll do it (again), I don't. I think they might offer the contractors a perm contract but I don't think they'll take on a fresh faced guy/gal straight onto the bottom of the list, that's my right and again I'll publicly give you an apology if it happens in the future without an official change in recruitment policies.
Yes I put in the hard yards, years of it, I don't agree with the contractors flying our aeroplanes (apart from the ones that were released last year, and they should be taken back on) and I think that one contractor is one too many. Our own pilots should be given the option first and then back fill with contractors if necessary, but that's a different conversation for another day.
You alluded to the fact that I knew the ins and outs in your last paragraph in your last post.

Anyway, this thread has already been ruined by another one of our spats. I will leave it there and not engage in anymore of it. I will respect we both have differing views.

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The contractors are on a very good screw, it's a 6 month contract with the possibility of extending.
The contract doesn't lead to a permanent contract with Flybe but something I do actually agree with LSM on is that I wouldn't rule it out, but there's nothing on the cards that we know about.
If you want minimal nightstopping then don't go to EXT, BHX or MAN.
BOH crewed by SOU
NQY crewed by EXT
LCY crewed by EDI/EXT and I think BHD.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 14:56
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I don't think they'll do it again but it remains a possibility and on the contrary I think it shows prospective pilots the kind of industry they're getting into.

Deano, mate, you said it!

Originally Posted by You
the intention was a 2 year contract, what then became the outcome is completely irrelevant to what is being discussed here.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 15:04
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Ok I'll (don't drop down dead, here) agree with you, I don't think they'll do it either, I think it'll be suicide if they did, but yes I wouldn't actually be that shocked if they did try it.

Yes but I had no idea of which side of the fence the "ostensibility" sat because you didn't say. It could've been an act of circumstance that your contract turned into a permanent one which is how it came across, I didn't know it was an agreed under the table hand shake to keep the Dash guys quiet, thus making it ostensible from the eyes of the Dash guys.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 18:36
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LSM - you really are an intolerable argumentative ****.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 19:16
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And......?
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 05:35
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Jeez Louise,

It's depressing that two professional pilots stake such a high premium on having the last word and seemingly not loosing face.

The ironic thing is that despite you both trying so hard to be the big men on campus the rest of us are reading this thinking you're both petulant idiots.

Enjoy checking the thread every 5 mins and dreaming up your next pithy retort.

I'm outta here......
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 11:07
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*Losing......
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 12:33
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Haha. Had to be done
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 17:26
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That made for an interesting read. 30 odd replies and most of it was just a good slagging.

The OP did ask what the chances of getting on the jet were and stated he wanted stability in his next job. With that in mind, I'm not sure talking about a 2 year contract was what he was intending to talk about, regardless of whether getting made permanent and staying on type after this period happened before or 'could easily' (although unlikely as was finally agreed by the guys in the red and blue corner) happen again. Bottom line is one of you is assuming getting the jet was the priority of the OP and the other thought lifestyle (being permanent) was.

What makes me laugh however, is it appears LSM is a skipper on the jet with and Deano possibly a FO...don't dare mention hating someone on prune when you work next lads - just incase
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 17:27
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Oh and twice around the hold, sorry to read about your BA stumble. Least you got to the sim, I can't pass the verbal test..
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 18:08
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Well what do you expect after Deano's opening reply to me.

And you missed the whole point about me mentioning the two year contract. That point being that if he gets a contract on the jet he will be almost guaranteed to stay on it at the end of the contract period.

All of which will give the OP exactly what he wants which makes it more than relevant.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 18:28
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Ahhh but LSM you always miss the fact that you always post smart arsed comments, you just haven't got it in you to have a sensible discussion without being a condescending ****k, and you wonder why you get the response you do. It's just that most people walk away from it but unfortunately I can't because most of the time there's just no need for it.

You say that though VJW, but I'd never turn down a beer with the old git during a nightstop
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 18:30
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Ok guys, move it on. If you want to argue, do it by PM please.

FlyBE isn't a bad place on balance.

Pros:

The pension scheme
Private Medical Care
Bonded Type rating
Now it looks like a lot of people moving on so rapid career progression
Based (if you exclude the nightstopping!) where you want to be.
Paid every month reliably - I'm a year 7 FO on the Dash and take home around 2800-2900 a month after tax.

Negatives (just to balance!):

Lots of nightstopping in certain bases - eg - BHX, MAN...
Lots of minimum rest/long days and rosters that regularly move from lates back to earlies over the course of a week
Roster patterns are tiring (roughly 5/2 but try having 2 days off after 5 days away from home!)
Contract pilots - effectively bypassing the seniority based jet positions of the past with seemingly a Direct Entry role.
Whatever way you look at it, my comrades from flight school are earning a lot more than me for doing less hours and being less tired.



I think it's fair to say that a lot of this is changing at the moment. There's a lot of people looking to leave and a lot who are fed up with various aspects of the job (nightstopping and lack of home life being the main thing). It will however, open up Command and Jet vacancies within a quite short period of time. I do think that with the number of people on notices right now and the recruitment of 10-12 FOs per month, that we will see a slight struggle on crew numbers especially over the summer. Another upshot is that you will easily be in the base of your choice within quite a short time period.

There are worse places to be in this industry, by a long way. I'm sure there are many better places too though, but it pays the bills.

Hope this helps a bit more...
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 18:44
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Aaaaah but Deano, what was smart arsed or condescending about my first comment on this thread?
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 18:50
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No he started it....no I didn't he did....mum tell him!!

I didn't miss the point I don't think. I read exactly what you said, but being told on a forum that 'if' he get's a contract he'll almost certainly get offered a permanent contract once it's up, is as valuable as the piece of paper it isn't written on - if it doesn't happen.

Knowing jack all about Flybe myself, I can't understand why couldn't you both agree without said night-spot beer, that if you join on a contract on the jet you could/should keep the jet and get a permanent contract once it's up (as proven I think by the path LSM took), but you can't join as a DEP directly employed by Flybe on the jet from day 1 and bypass the seniority lists etc (that Deano has stacks of files proving). Isn't that what you're both saying, and neither of you is wrong?

Beer/footie time for me...come on Barce
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 19:16
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No, I'm saying that if you join on a "contract" and you stay on the jet at the end of that "contract" your DOJ, seniority and all that runs from the date you started on the "contract" (which was, by the way, worded exactly the same as the DE contract). Or, as you say, bypassing Deano's seniority lists etc.

Which is, effectively, DE in all but name.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 21:07
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Yes but being offered a permanent contract and remaining on the jet is not guaranteed and therefore not perhaps what the OP meant by having a stable contract/future?
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