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Old 25th Mar 2015, 11:49
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The ongoing self concerned and congratulatory attitude is chump worthy yes. No consideration for any other implications of your actions. Brilliant.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 12:16
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Lord Spandex, whilst I agree with your principle, surely the implication of not taking the action is someone else will? Then the principle is lost. And so is the job. To someone without principle.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 12:59
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Lord Spandex Master the die has already been cast. If you think that some individual is going to be able to magically turn the clock back to the T's & C's of the 1960's just out of some misguided sense of principle in not paying for a rating you are deeply mistaken.

But if you can feel comfort in the fact you have never paid for a rating the next time Flybe wheel out the guillotine, and it WILL inevitably happen, then fine. Others of us moved on to better things and didn't think twice.

By that token I wish no ill feeling towards the rest of my ex colleagues at Flybe. Just the ones that feel it necessary to denigrate others who moved to better things just because they weren't in a position to (or didn't wish to) do the same.

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Old 25th Mar 2015, 13:07
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I would suggest that leaving a job with poor conditions, in order to take up another with vastly superior ones; has positive implications for all concerned.

Staying in a job on industry-lagging conditions has implications for others, too.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 14:36
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Lord Spandex, whilst I agree with your principle, surely the implication of not taking the action is someone else will? Then the principle is lost. And so is the job. To someone without principle.
That's my point. This industry is full of selfish individuals who do not consider the long term effects of their actions.

McNugget can you explain to me how you going to Easy and paying them 30 odd grand or whatever has benefitted me in anyway?

Rex, I know it has and no I don't think that will happen. Doesn't change the facts though. You should have thought twice though, if only for your own benefit, because what happens when your next employer wants you to pay for your next TR under the principle that you have subscribed to. You gonna pay?
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 14:51
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I agree LSM. But so few with principles are left it's now a case of facing isolation or fighting fire with fire.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 15:02
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It's a sad but lasting legacy of the people who think they've done you and me a favour by paying for a type rating.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 15:08
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My comment was more light hearted than it has been interpreted so calm down ladies....

I have friends at Easy and you make the decisions that you feel comfortable with but the argument 'if i didn't do it someone else would have' is the reason we ended up in this silly situation in the first place. The reality is if everyone said no then it would simply stop, how many airlines in China are asking you to come and pay for a type rating? Supply and demand and all that jazz...

Anyway back on topic as I have already replied to a few PMs if you are joining as an experienced guy the current requirements for command are roughly:

2500 TT
1000 multi - 500 with Flyby
ATPL
And at least 2 decent sims I believe.

If you joined now with circa 2000 hours and were willing to move to any base required I believe within 2 years you could be on 65K and then you can start saving to go live the dream with Easy! (I jest... for the oh so touchy Easy crews )

*disclaimer* --- final paragraph in no way reflects the views of Flybe or the majority of this board, just the opinion of a lowly minion watching the spate of resignations tallied up agains the amount of people who will never move base
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 15:46
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Paying for a TR is a curse, and I didn't do it. Nor am I at EZY. But, anyone who turned down Easy from Flybe would be extremely foolish from a professional standpoint. You'll recoup the TR cost soon enough, and you'll have a far better career in pretty much every way.

People leaving the bottom feeders for greener pastures is a good thing for themselves and the industry. The sooner the likes of Flybe have a crewing epidemic, the better.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 16:59
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Well can you explain how anyone paying easy for a TR has benefitted me in anyway?

How has it improved the industry?
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 17:06
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I didn't say that paying for a type rating has benefited you or the industry. Your comprehension must have failed you, if that was your interpretation.

I'm saying that leaving a bottom feeder employer for a better one is beneficial for all concerned.

Now, that's not so hard to understand, is it?

Feel free to stay at Flybe and continue to piss and moan about people who move on to bigger and better things.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 23:15
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Pilots are the ones that created this mess (trying to make a few extra bucks on the side) and only the Labour laws will change it.

The Unions (if you could call them that) have shown little interest in this topic.

If you don't pay for the type rating a CTC cadet will.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 00:19
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The subject under discussion was buying a TR from easyJet. You responded by stating that doing so has positive implications for "all concerned".

Originally Posted by McNugget
I would suggest that leaving a job with poor conditions, in order to take up another with vastly superior ones; has positive implications for all concerned.
and..
Originally Posted by McNugget
I'm saying that leaving a bottom feeder employer for a better one is beneficial for all concerned.
and...
Originally Posted by McNugget
People leaving the bottom feeders for greener pastures is a good thing for themselves and the industry.
"All concerned" would include current and future employees of this industry which includes me. So please tell me what positive implications and benefits I gain from somebody leaving Flybe and buying a type rating from easyJet.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 04:03
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I'm assuming verbal reasoning tests have held you back from getting more worthwhile employment.

Continue being argumentative, and refusing to understand my (abundantly clear) point. I've no dog in this fight.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 08:41
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McNugget,

Don't take it personally - look back at LSM's posts in other threads and you will see that you are knocking your head off a re-enforced concrete wall.

LSM you can pontificate all you want but a significant number of people who left BEE for EZY used redundancy money to fund the type rating. Redundancy money is supposed to be used to up-skill and help people stay in employment. This was a case of the system actually working for once - you are barking up the wrong tree!

In terms of Flybe - are there any signs of new lines of work to keep the Dashes that were operating DUB, INV and NCL to LCY? That may have a bearing on recruitment.

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Old 26th Mar 2015, 09:03
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SR, it matters not a jot where the money came from the effect is still the same.

McNugget, I'll ask you in a different way. How does buying a TR from easyJet benefit anyone except easyJet and the person buying the TR?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 09:43
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SR, it matters not a jot where the money came from the effect is still the same.

McNugget, I'll ask you in a different way. How does buying a TR from easyJet benefit anyone except easyJet and the person buying the TR?
It doesn't. I made that clear.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 09:49
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Well it does as I am one of the "all concerned".

Perhaps you meant it only benefits easyJet and the person buying the TR (which isn't "all concerned" and which you failed to specify and make clear) and is why I consider them, selfish, ignorant, chumps.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 10:10
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Enjoy wallowing in your self-pity.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 10:25
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Ok, so now it's clear that you only see a benefit for the individual concerned and the airline and not "all concerned". Why didn't you just say that in the first place?

I'm curious why you think I'm wallowing in self pity though. I don't work for Flybe and I haven't paid a penny for any of my type ratings.
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