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Old 18th Mar 2015, 21:26
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I guess you missed the bit in brackets, and all the other "hints".
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 12:57
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I did if the two year contract said this is in fact not a two year contract but a permanent one- sorry bout that
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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 15:54
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Seems like you could get a dash command before you get an ejet slot at the moment. Probably 80/90 new FO's ahead of you on the list who would also move anywhere. So I would imagine at least 6/7 years, maybe more.

Attrition might change that.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 07:45
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Originally Posted by 747pro View Post
Wow, that is longer than I was expecting..
It never fails to surprise me how people ignore the evidence which is plainly available when it doesn't fit with their desired world view. Look at the numbers of each type of aircraft in the fleet. Since about 2008 it has been extremely difficult to make career headway by joining a regional operator. Things have improved somewhat over the last 18 months but there are still plenty of guys and girls ahead of you looking either for the Emb right seat, the Dash left seat or simply to move on to another company. If you have aspirations to fly a 737/320 or bigger unfortunately joining a regional airline is one of the longer winded ways of getting what you want. It's a great job though.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 09:01
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Forget the Embraer, simple as that.
There are too few jets right now in too few bases, I will have gotten my command on the dash long before i ever get near the jet as the above poster has said.

And right now Dash command is enough to get you a job with BA, Jet2 anyway so don't know why so many people are obsessed with getting on the jet and having to move to MAN/BHX. That might not be the case in 5 years but I don't see why it won't. Bide your time on the Dash and live somewhere nice in the regions and then when it comes time to move on, switch operator. Simples.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 13:32
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Uk operators do not accept left seat dash time, so you will only move as an FO not DEC. Believe that will be the case soon in Turkey where some escapers went previously.

As a job not bad and sometimes any job is better than none, however new joins should have a clear idea of what career path they wish to follow. The value of a regional operator used to be you were based where your family were and you were home each night. I am led to believe that that may not be the case any more at Flybe
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 13:39
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I think cgwhitemomk11 meant that left seat dash can get you into any airline within the UK, he didn't say left seat any airline.

The nightstopping will of course depend on which base you are at. The Southern bases are seeing the most nightstopping at the moment (MAN downwards) but I think you're right, it will probably increase for the large majority of us.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 14:21
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Yes thats what i meant
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 14:21
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Dean,
So long as guys don't labour under the illusion that left seat dash will get left seat jet elsewhere. (Although things can often change).
So yes you are right it will help for most fo jobs.

Still a newbe 800+ poster? I thought that was going to he fixed?
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 14:30
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Completely agree with you PT6, I hope people aren't under that illusion either because if they are then they'll be disappointed. DEC from Dash to other jet operators in the UK has happened before, of course it has, but it's almost as rare as Hayley's comet.

Yes so did I. The administrator fixed it 3 times but it kept coming back, he can't explain it, oh well.
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 09:40
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747pro

Yes, flying the Dash can be fun but its mostly work. When it is fun it is fun in the sense that juggling knives is fun. It takes concentration and practice to get good at it but if you get distracted it is highly unforgiving.

I suspect if you get to speaking with anyone who "hopped" over to another airline last year, they will all attest to the fact that it involved graft to get through the various selection processes. Having experience does not mean that you can walk in to another airline job with great ease. In the UK all DEP recruitment campaigns are keenly contested - you are always going to be competing against highly motivated, well trained and competent fellow professionals.

20 - 30 ish to Jet2 over the last 18 months
30 ish to easy
BACF 15?
BA Mainline ??
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 17:34
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Flybe to Easyjet?

Hi, reference the above post and with indirect relevance to this thread - how are guys moving from Flybe to Easyjet without A320 type ratings? Or are they paying to re-do their MCCs with CTC and going down that route?

Just curious as I'm in a similar scenario (UK-based TP driver wanting to move to the likes of easy, or any decent UK 320/737 operator).
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 17:52
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they are paying for their A320 ratings like all the other chumps
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 20:20
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They joined without ratings during the last round of DEP recruitment but had to stump up for the rating.
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 20:39
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Thanks for the replies fellas - so although they paid for the TR they were DEP Easyjet rather than via CTC as 'cadets' with experience then?
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 20:52
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That is Correct.
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 21:22
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Cgwhitemonk I am one of the "chumps" who joined easyJet having applied in the 2013 recruitment round. I find it highly amusing to be banded together with my fellow colleagues and all described as chumps for paying for a rating.

Many of us are now starting the command process at easy or will be able to very shortly. Possibly to switch seats within two years. With a much higher salary than available at Flybe and in a far, far more profitable and stable company. Of course staying at Flybe with all the uncertainty that still entails was the winners option was it?

I'm not wishing to get involved in a willy waving contest but, really, you can't make up some of the stuff you hear/read on here sometimes.

Just as a bit of further information for FlyerGuy, not all people got DEP with easyJet. Some started on the Parc contract. Actually pretty good money but can't start receiving shares, paying in to the pension etc until that interview for full time after 12 months is done.

At the moment the requirement is only for A320 rated folks. The 2013 window that was open to non rated was closed pretty quickly, leading to a situation where some people who were in the hold pool without a rating were ditched before an offer could be made. You can argue the merits of rated vs non rated employment until the cows come home but, for the moment, that's where we are.

Anyway, back to Flybe!

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Old 24th Mar 2015, 22:47
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Paying for the rating is all well and good, but there were and still remain a lot of pilots within Flybe who have families to support and lives to maintain, and so it wasn't even a viable option from the start.

Don't get my wrong, I would have loved to have the opportunity - but - paying for a rating is just not viable for me. Early 20s - yeah. Mid 30s, not a chance.

Just because some paid for it doesn't make them chumps - sad fact of the matter though is that nowadays, that is normality for the industry and if you don't do it, many others will.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 10:13
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As it seems the only care was about yourself and your future earnings and nothing else I think the moniker 'chump' is quite appropriate.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 11:20
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You have to laugh at the morons on these boards.

Being called a 'chump' for joining a better company, with better career prospects, vastly better renumeration, far greater security, etc. and being called a chump, because they had to fork out for an A320 type?

lol.

Perhaps Flybe would pay a respectable salary and long term security if their employees paid for their type? As opposed to the insulting one they offer now.

Thought not.
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