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Old 9th Dec 2016, 17:07
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There would seem to be 42 pages on here for starters and you are pretty much the only one defending. Wonder why.
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Old 10th Dec 2016, 19:10
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The DOT did not issue Norwegian’s US permit for almost three years, while most permits are issued within weeks following application. Ultimately, the DOT may have had no choice in the matter.

Obama has made no secret of his dislike for Putin and last week ordered a full investigation of any Russian influence affecting the election outcome. In a move that would anger Putin, the US wants a submarine base in northern Norway, and:-

“it must be treated politically”

http://www.dagbladet.no/2016/05/28/n...tikk/44371919/

But what news from my union chums, the ones held in such contempt by the German based Kjos mouthpiece and purveyor of Norwegian snake-oil;

December 8, AFL-CIO union, TTD – Press Release:

http://ttd.org/news-and-media/press-...dministration/

“WASHINGTON, DC — Transportation union leaders across all sectors gathered today for their post-election meeting to assess the landscape in Washington and lay the groundwork for a unified effort under a Trump Administration.

“Our discussion today was focused on boosting investment in transportation and protecting the rights of working people against a torrent of political attacks designed to weaken unions,” said Edward Wytkind, president of the Transportation Trades Department, AFL-CIO(TTD).

“We also vowed to defend against assaults on labor and safety protections in our laws, and work with those who want to change American trade policy so it aligns with the economic interests of American workers.”

The Executive Committee took aim at the wrongheaded decision by the U.S. Department of Transportation to approve the controversial application of Norwegian Air International (NAI) for a foreign air carrier permit.

“Transportation unions were clear today in their resolve to stop the first-ever job-killing ‘flag-of-convenience’ airline sanctioned by our government from destroying U.S. airline jobs. We will continue urging President Obama to intervene and reverse the NAI decision,” Wytkind said”
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Old 10th Dec 2016, 19:25
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transportation unions were clear today in their resolve to stop the first-ever job-killing ‘flag-of-convenience’ airline sanctioned by our government from destroying U.S. airline jobs.
"Europe" should step up as well, and KILL the US freight-dogs (fedeks&Uhhps) operation in europe, destroying european airline jobs, the dogs even live in europe
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Old 10th Dec 2016, 20:18
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Yeah, that FedEx has a base in CGN, and runs internal EU operations using N-registered aircraft, really disgusts me. I am a dual US-EU national, so I have split loyalties. But I know for certain if an EU cargo company set up a US crew base and flew internal US operations using EU registered aircraft, the US unions would be screaming bloody murder.
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Old 10th Dec 2016, 21:09
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if an EU cargo company set up a US crew base and flew internal US operations using EU registered aircraft, the US unions would be screaming bloody murder.
"we" are simply not allowed to.

When we (europe) land in de USofA we can fly to another US base but we CANNOT take extra freight from "B" to take to "C"...(not 1 kg..)..
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 00:08
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Never thought I would admit to having something to learn from the Americans, but, it seems we do. . . . . .
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 04:03
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Originally Posted by NEDude View Post
Yeah, that FedEx has a base in CGN, and runs internal EU operations using N-registered aircraft, really disgusts me. I am a dual US-EU national, so I have split loyalties. But I know for certain if an EU cargo company set up a US crew base and flew internal US operations using EU registered aircraft, the US unions would be screaming bloody murder.
The EU isn't a single country and FedEx isn't doing it with crew operating as contractors under a rediculous training bond and disgustingly low pay and work rules either.

The EU and US carriers both have 5th freedom rights so if any carrier wanted to open a US base with European crew they are more than welcome to fly to Canada, Mexico, any other nearby country.....just like FedEx does.

The argument from us isn't over those rights. It's over NAIs flag of convenience model and in regards to flight crew.

2nd year FedEx FO pay and benefits blowNorwegian CAPTAIN pay out of the water. So I don't know why you would bemoan a company that keeps flying "in house" and pays pilots exceedingly well compared to almost every other company on the planet. Instead come negotiation time I would take their contract and slide it across the table.

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Old 11th Dec 2016, 08:38
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You seem to have a lot invested in this thread and this begs the Question why ?

Have you worked for a part of the Norwegian group ?

Did they ask you to leave ?

As I said on a previous post not a lot of dogs hang on to a bone this long and you motivation interests me as much as the content of your posts.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 10:00
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I too would like to know the answers to A and C 's questions Direct Bondi. And before you get defensive I am not disagreeing with you , I would just like to know why you have such an invested interest....
There are other LCC within the EU who have much much worse pay conditions and some make there pilots pay for their own uniform- so why not take a shot in that direction also?????

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Old 11th Dec 2016, 10:03
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Not much of a defense for the Norwegian regime A and C.

With your 5,885 posts it is apparent you spend a vast amount of time on this website. It is neither my concern nor interest why. Similarly, the causes I choose to pursue, or not to pursue, is none of your concern.

Unfortunately, the Norwegian bone has a never ending supply of meat. Reports of Norwegian’s operational incongruities and “labor relations” issues appear regularly.

Readers can decide for themselves any relevance and value from my contributions to this thread.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 10:15
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Regarding pay on Norwegian LH. Lets say you started out as an FO 3 years ago on LH. You just upgraded to captain on the osm contract year 1. Monthly pay :
Basic 8125 £
Per diems 913 £
Lets assume 89 hrs for the month and 4 unused standby duties : 4091 £
Total : 13129 £ plus pension comes in at 5 percent.
Assume a 4th year FO who failed his upgrade and on a OSM contract : Monthly pay 7852 £ plus 5 percent pension..
On initiating contract you provide a bank guarantee(ie no money up front) and are free to walk after 3 years
Im no Kjos apologetics, but is this really such a bad pay that the airline should be denied a permit?
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 10:52
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No it is not. I have heard that their finance rates are much much higher than the average because they haven't been around for long enough in LH to warrant decent rates. This plus the rising oil price and weakening economy should put a stop to them.

Excellent news all round.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 11:09
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Originally Posted by directmisbi View Post
Regarding pay on Norwegian LH. Lets say you started out as an FO 3 years ago on LH. You just upgraded to captain on the osm contract year 1. Monthly pay :
Basic 8125 £
Per diems 913 £
Lets assume 89 hrs for the month and 4 unused standby duties : 4091 £
Total : 13129 £ plus pension comes in at 5 percent.
Assume a 4th year FO who failed his upgrade and on a OSM contract : Monthly pay 7852 £ plus 5 percent pension..
On initiating contract you provide a bank guarantee(ie no money up front) and are free to walk after 3 years
Im no Kjos apologetics, but is this really such a bad pay that the airline should be denied a permit?
5% pension...?? I don't think any pension is included in the package.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 12:53
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There are other LCC within the EU who have much much worse pay conditions and some make there pilots pay for their own uniform- so why not take a shot in that direction also?????
Very true! Agreeing that NLH pay is not the best around, there are some really atrocious contracts around that deserves much more attention, for all the wrong reasons, than the NLH contract. Wow, SmartLynx, Avion, Wizz, Germania, Small Planet etc etc etc.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 13:43
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Lets assume 89 hrs for the month and 4 unused standby duties : 4091 £
Total : 13129 £ plus pension comes in at 5 percent.

So a year 1 Captain (UK based) grosses over £13k a month?
How do you get to £4091 for flying pay?

Genuinely interested. Cheers
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 13:46
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I am thinking that per diem is the figure for the month as opposed to day. That £913 would be your flight pay for the month.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 14:52
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I got the contract from Rishworth and there is no flightpay at all.
Just basic plus per diem.
Basic minus 35% tax, that is what you get.
Very curious how you get to £4000 flightpay?

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Old 11th Dec 2016, 18:18
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He talks about the OSM Contract which you will get after 3 years. So year 1 OSM will be year 4 in total
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:22
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Does the contract change and improve after 3 years then?
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:58
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Yes your contract will change , you will get a permanent contract with OSM after three years with improved conditions.
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