Norwegian Pilots Not Happy
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According to the Oxford dictionary a lie is the following:
(a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.)
When Bjørn stated during the LGW base meeting, and I paraphrase" nobody needs to worry about their job, all of your jobs are safe"
That is in my opinion a falsehood. Considering notices of contractual termination were sent out to 60 pilots two weeks later.
Yes; it is but my opinion, however I think they fit the above definition.
(a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.)
When Bjørn stated during the LGW base meeting, and I paraphrase" nobody needs to worry about their job, all of your jobs are safe"
That is in my opinion a falsehood. Considering notices of contractual termination were sent out to 60 pilots two weeks later.
Yes; it is but my opinion, however I think they fit the above definition.
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Yep I concede 99.9999% of people hearing BK's comment would indeed take that view, I was flying so didn't hear it myself, but i don't believe there were any qualifications added, of course all are needed (but not during the winter) no matter, no one had any idea in joining NAS that they were in any risk of a winter layoff, so yes completely unacceptable.
The upgrade one puzzles me more, not withstanding my earlier comments i don't know of anyone who has changed seats in less than 12-16 months, so i can't understand why anyone would suggest that it was 6 months???
OSM seem to running round like headless chickens and i suspect the next few months will be er interesting, thankfully the company seems to be on a catch up year and it needs it more than it knows
The upgrade one puzzles me more, not withstanding my earlier comments i don't know of anyone who has changed seats in less than 12-16 months, so i can't understand why anyone would suggest that it was 6 months???
OSM seem to running round like headless chickens and i suspect the next few months will be er interesting, thankfully the company seems to be on a catch up year and it needs it more than it knows
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787 Pilots not happy either, Given the continuing debate and associated costs, the year of consolidation may well turn out to be a lot tougher than expected:
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It looks unlikely this issue will be solved within the next 6 months and this must be placing a huge strain on the finances..maybe they should be more transparent about the " big picture"
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It looks unlikely this issue will be solved within the next 6 months and this must be placing a huge strain on the finances..maybe they should be more transparent about the " big picture"
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Callsign Kilo "however the thought of people crawling back to achieve four stripes, a permanent contact and a Stansted base makes my skin crawl. Obviously FR are happy to deal with you however your former soon to be reinstated colleagues should treat you like lepers."
Seniority and loyalty counts for nothing at Ryanair. There are no transparent systems in Ryanair. Ex-Ryanair pilots returning are not screwing anyone. Supply and demand rule the roost not labour agreements or seniority. Your suggestion that certain groups of pilots in Ryanair would be treated negatively, "like lepers", by fellow colleagues is absolutely laughable.
If you have a problem with the systems and contracts in ryanair and how they are allocated grow a pair of balls and challenge Ryanair managers, not your fellow colleagues.
I suggest winding your neck in because in my experience, it is far more likely that the reinstated Ex-Norwegian Pilots will have to deal with Ryanair Pilots hassling them for information about life beyond Ryanair. I know that is what many of us ex-FR pilots spent our time doing whenever we had the opportunity to fly with Pilots who had previously flown for the likes of Emirates.
Good luck to any Pilot returning from NAS to FR, I hope the transfer pays off. It is worth pointing out that some of those looking to return have personal reasons beyond command upgrade e.g commuting has not worked out as expected. The vast majority are happy to remain at Norwegian and try to engage with the company.
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When you are 24 you should not be allowed to put in charge of the lives of hundreds of passengers..period. Minimum age for upgrade 40 and 15 years experience in commercial aviation.
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Recent information regarding basing policies in Norwegian.
pilots that are low on seniority may experience a temporary base transfer twice a year to cover the need at other bases during the high season. Most of these transfers are done on a voluntary basis, with individuals being based on results of the previous base bidding (December 2014). Unfortunately, there are also some forced base transfers amongst the pilots with the lowest seniority for us to safeguard the production increase for the upcoming summer season.
100-150 of the pilots with the lowest seniority will at all times be exposed to involuntary base changes to accommodate the seasonal production changes.
pilots that are low on seniority may experience a temporary base transfer twice a year to cover the need at other bases during the high season. Most of these transfers are done on a voluntary basis, with individuals being based on results of the previous base bidding (December 2014). Unfortunately, there are also some forced base transfers amongst the pilots with the lowest seniority for us to safeguard the production increase for the upcoming summer season.
100-150 of the pilots with the lowest seniority will at all times be exposed to involuntary base changes to accommodate the seasonal production changes.
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To which you can add
The winter season 2015 will open up for the possibility of extended Leave of Absence (working outside the Norwegian group), reduced working patterns (50-80%) or leave for most bases at the EURO/SCAN area. If you already have a wish for a break in the autumn of 2015, please send an Email as soon as possible.
For anyone who doesn't remember, a similar request last Summer did not yield enough "volunteers", which resulted in between 1 & 4 mths forced unpaid leave for the most recent entrants. There was no solution to this until the pilots got together & ameliorated it by volunteering to help out their colleagues by taking reduced roster. This resulted in most receiving shorter forced breaks, or at least 25% or 50% employment for part of it.
It appears NAS is becoming a seasonal employer, in regards to Base Stability / 100% employment, this suits some people, if it doesn't . . . beware, leaving FR will not mean you are leaving behind being dicked around for basings, nor having to take unpaid leave over the Winter (at least for the first couple of years you are here )
The winter season 2015 will open up for the possibility of extended Leave of Absence (working outside the Norwegian group), reduced working patterns (50-80%) or leave for most bases at the EURO/SCAN area. If you already have a wish for a break in the autumn of 2015, please send an Email as soon as possible.
For anyone who doesn't remember, a similar request last Summer did not yield enough "volunteers", which resulted in between 1 & 4 mths forced unpaid leave for the most recent entrants. There was no solution to this until the pilots got together & ameliorated it by volunteering to help out their colleagues by taking reduced roster. This resulted in most receiving shorter forced breaks, or at least 25% or 50% employment for part of it.
It appears NAS is becoming a seasonal employer, in regards to Base Stability / 100% employment, this suits some people, if it doesn't . . . beware, leaving FR will not mean you are leaving behind being dicked around for basings, nor having to take unpaid leave over the Winter (at least for the first couple of years you are here )
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Why do people put up with that crap? Is flying a 737 really worth everything, including job security and a life outside work?
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It's swings and roundabouts really. If you get a UK or Irish base, permanent contract, left seat, 5/4, home every night, FR works for a lot of folk. My work/life balance was good for four years while I was there.
The question is can you slog it out doing 4 sector days and 900 hours year in year out.
The question is can you slog it out doing 4 sector days and 900 hours year in year out.
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Why do people put up with that crap? Is flying a 737 really worth everything, including job security and a life outside work?
Many good guys and gals at NAS. This issue might have a few sides to it. I think many people are at the hands of systemic factors which can only be dealt with through responsible, informed and coordinated governance. Not holding my breath, though.
B737, hours on cruise, MCP, CDU and coffee? No? I recently flew with someone who actually makes a living flying gliders. Hello daydream!
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The company, having made demands equivalent to tearing up the current labour agreement, and offering conditions in some respects worse than those "enjoyed" by hired (contract ) pilots, it is not surprising that negotiations with the Scandinavian based pilots are progressing in the cordial manner so beloved of NAS.
"As a result of the breakdown in the CLA negotiations for the Scandinavian pilots, a collective resignation was sent today, February 9, 2015 by Parat (the parent organisation where NPU is a member). This is a serious step in which NPU commits to go on strike should a solution not be obtained in the conflict.
The company and NPU now enters forced mediation with the state mediator. The parts will be called within two days and the mediation will then go on for a maximum of 14 days. If no agreement has been made by Feb 25th, NPU has the possibility to engage all current NAN pilots that are NPU members (per Feb 9th) in a strike."
"As a result of the breakdown in the CLA negotiations for the Scandinavian pilots, a collective resignation was sent today, February 9, 2015 by Parat (the parent organisation where NPU is a member). This is a serious step in which NPU commits to go on strike should a solution not be obtained in the conflict.
The company and NPU now enters forced mediation with the state mediator. The parts will be called within two days and the mediation will then go on for a maximum of 14 days. If no agreement has been made by Feb 25th, NPU has the possibility to engage all current NAN pilots that are NPU members (per Feb 9th) in a strike."
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A notice by the company on Rednose (the company internal website) defending the companies decision to decimate the current CLA in Scandinavia has so far had 352 ( and counting ) responses in 3 days . . . . . (universally stating 100% with you NPU 
) Given that most employees are not so "keen" (for various reasons ) to post on Rednose one could categorise the companies decision to be so confident in their "smoke & mirrors" as badly founded/misjudged/ too big for their own boots . . . heartening to see that some amongst us still have a pair. 
Let us see what happens twixt now & the 25th.
) Given that most employees are not so "keen" (for various reasons ) to post on Rednose one could categorise the companies decision to be so confident in their "smoke & mirrors" as badly founded/misjudged/ too big for their own boots . . . heartening to see that some amongst us still have a pair. Let us see what happens twixt now & the 25th.
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Questions regarding NLH
I know it is a separate operation, but can anyone clarify the basing situation at Norwegian Longhaul? Still only based at Bangkok? Or can you now bid one of the Scandi capitals and LGW? Also, how many days off minimum per month?
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NAI tried to rebase everyone in LGW , with no increase in salary/conditions, this would have resulted in many who are "paying tax" in BKK finding themselves with a somewhat larger tax burden. There was predictably a revolt, so base is still BKK. From what I have heard, you can to all intents & purposes base yourself in Stockholm ( & I guess Oslo) as the schedule makes this a possibility. I believe the contracted days off are 8 a month, you get more, but apparently are constantly pestered with offers to work on OFF days as they are constantly short. I heard too, that already quite a few guys have banged out, to give themselves a 100% pay-rise flying same type whilst "really" based in the Far East.
On a separate note, the time for mediation if a strike by the Scandi based pilots is to be avoided is now less than 3 days, & NAS shows no sign of ameliorating their firm stance on completely decimating the T's & C's of K Area pilots.
A scurrilous rumour, which I have heard 2nd hand, involves a senior flight-ops figure stating during a line-check that the intention is to bankrupt NAN (the AOC holder for the Scandi part of the operation ) & relaunch with a new cheapskate operation no doubt offering the same rubbish contract they wish the current guys to downgrade to. The current impasse leads me to believe that this management wet dream may have a lot more than a touch of credibility.
On a separate note, the time for mediation if a strike by the Scandi based pilots is to be avoided is now less than 3 days, & NAS shows no sign of ameliorating their firm stance on completely decimating the T's & C's of K Area pilots.
A scurrilous rumour, which I have heard 2nd hand, involves a senior flight-ops figure stating during a line-check that the intention is to bankrupt NAN (the AOC holder for the Scandi part of the operation ) & relaunch with a new cheapskate operation no doubt offering the same rubbish contract they wish the current guys to downgrade to. The current impasse leads me to believe that this management wet dream may have a lot more than a touch of credibility.
Regardless if the above is true or not, it's becoming more clearer by the day that this operation is run by people who simply want overworked/underpaid slaves to oil their machine. I used to have a positive view of anyone wishing to challenge RYR/EZY but this bunch has introduced/wants to introduce more immoral and disgusting employment practices than the previous two LCC have done in the last 2 decades of their operation. The entire operation has become toilet from what I've heard by speaking to friends.
The airline name/branding is causing image/recognition problems. The choice of livery is a joke for an airline that has bigger plans.
The airline name/branding is causing image/recognition problems. The choice of livery is a joke for an airline that has bigger plans.
Norwegian faces first ever pilot strike - The Local
http://www.thelocal.no/20150212/norw...in-seven-years
http://www.thelocal.no/20141215/norw...os-shares-sale
http://www.thelocal.no/20150212/norw...in-seven-years
http://www.thelocal.no/20141215/norw...os-shares-sale
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