Norwegian Pilots Not Happy
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Lost me there on the second paragraph? I work for the airline and all i see from my base at least is full flights more or less day in day out and a high satisfaction amongst the paying guests.........
I can see if you work for Monarch that you would be brassed of with Monarch after the butchers job inflicted on your T&C's and no doubt your management blame the rise of Norwegian and others on your savage cuts.......
Livery ? really........most of the public don't give a stuff so long as its good value and turns up on time, not a Monarch strength i know.
The k area guys have a battle on there hands for sure, but despite the cluster**k of this winter very few have jumped back toward the harp at least thus far
I can see if you work for Monarch that you would be brassed of with Monarch after the butchers job inflicted on your T&C's and no doubt your management blame the rise of Norwegian and others on your savage cuts.......
Livery ? really........most of the public don't give a stuff so long as its good value and turns up on time, not a Monarch strength i know.
The k area guys have a battle on there hands for sure, but despite the cluster**k of this winter very few have jumped back toward the harp at least thus far
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Article in Aviation Week on Europe's Low Cost Pilots
Sorry it's not accessible right now if you don't have a subscription to AW&ST, but it should be open to non-subscribers in a week or two:
Poor Work Conditions For Many European LCC Crews | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
Poor Work Conditions For Many European LCC Crews | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
The report was posted as a comment to an article on the american website The Hill over a month ago. Whilst it is regrettable that it contains some names of those involved I would argue that it is now truely in the public domain and no attempt has been made to remove it .
It has also appeared on this site before in various places,due to a lot of shunting around the sub fora by persons unknown.
It is currently lurking here:
http://www.pprune.org/safety-crm-qa-...ml#post8878559
It has also appeared on this site before in various places,due to a lot of shunting around the sub fora by persons unknown.
It is currently lurking here:
http://www.pprune.org/safety-crm-qa-...ml#post8878559
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Dear Norwegian pilots,
as we write this letter NPU (the pilot union representing our colleagues in Scandinavia) and the management of our airline are trying to negotiate a solution to the various issues on the discussion table.
We will not go into the details of the actual negotiations now but we would only like to highlight the fact that the positions of the two parties are very far apart.
Generally speaking our company wants to lower the terms & conditions of the NAN pilots (those permanently employed in Scandinavia) by making direct comparison with the terms & conditions of those pilots employed elsewhere by ARPI,PARC, OSM and NAR Spain on much lower conditions de-facto trying to create a new benchmark.
To add some extra drama to the situation our company is threatening the bankruptcy of NAN and therefore the layoffs of the NAN pilots in an attempt to put pressure on NPU to accept the lower conditions proposed by our management.
It is also now very obvious how the management is using these different setups (NAN,OSM,NAR Spain,NAR Finland, the agencies etc.) to put us one pilot group against the other as if we were working for completely different airlines.
This is a scenario many have witnessed in the recent past in other companies like Ryanair and its detrimental effects on our jobs are now well known to most, such developments are obviously an un-acceptable solution for our common long term plans in a company that wants to become not only a European powerhouse but also a global player.
Based on the situation described above NPU has opened up for a pilot strike of its members starting Saturday 28th of February at 00:01 hours.
In this context we would like to suggest all Norwegian pilots , regardless of base and contract type, NOT to sell their OFF days as a sign of solidarity towards our Scandinavian colleagues and in order not to undermine the outcome of their efforts.
Last but not least we are receiving information from pilots that they are being subject to roster changes as we write this letter, these changes seem to be done in order to position Euro based pilots to Scandinavia with the purpose of having them available to cover flights otherwise affected by the NPU strike, be it a standby or planned flight duty.
This type of behavior by the company might potentially be in breach of current legislation in respect of strike rules, we therefore urge all pilots affected by roster changes in the upcoming days to send their original roster as well as the roster change to the following email address: [email protected]
All info sent will be treated with the strictest confidentiality.
Best Regards,
Norwegian SEPLA
as we write this letter NPU (the pilot union representing our colleagues in Scandinavia) and the management of our airline are trying to negotiate a solution to the various issues on the discussion table.
We will not go into the details of the actual negotiations now but we would only like to highlight the fact that the positions of the two parties are very far apart.
Generally speaking our company wants to lower the terms & conditions of the NAN pilots (those permanently employed in Scandinavia) by making direct comparison with the terms & conditions of those pilots employed elsewhere by ARPI,PARC, OSM and NAR Spain on much lower conditions de-facto trying to create a new benchmark.
To add some extra drama to the situation our company is threatening the bankruptcy of NAN and therefore the layoffs of the NAN pilots in an attempt to put pressure on NPU to accept the lower conditions proposed by our management.
It is also now very obvious how the management is using these different setups (NAN,OSM,NAR Spain,NAR Finland, the agencies etc.) to put us one pilot group against the other as if we were working for completely different airlines.
This is a scenario many have witnessed in the recent past in other companies like Ryanair and its detrimental effects on our jobs are now well known to most, such developments are obviously an un-acceptable solution for our common long term plans in a company that wants to become not only a European powerhouse but also a global player.
Based on the situation described above NPU has opened up for a pilot strike of its members starting Saturday 28th of February at 00:01 hours.
In this context we would like to suggest all Norwegian pilots , regardless of base and contract type, NOT to sell their OFF days as a sign of solidarity towards our Scandinavian colleagues and in order not to undermine the outcome of their efforts.
Last but not least we are receiving information from pilots that they are being subject to roster changes as we write this letter, these changes seem to be done in order to position Euro based pilots to Scandinavia with the purpose of having them available to cover flights otherwise affected by the NPU strike, be it a standby or planned flight duty.
This type of behavior by the company might potentially be in breach of current legislation in respect of strike rules, we therefore urge all pilots affected by roster changes in the upcoming days to send their original roster as well as the roster change to the following email address: [email protected]
All info sent will be treated with the strictest confidentiality.
Best Regards,
Norwegian SEPLA
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Company confidentiality rules prevent me reposting the article that appeared today on the company website telling us that we "needed a Reality Check".
I am happy that many well informed colleagues have pointed out the fact that a fleet of 90 737's, flying full on most sectors, with fares that, whilst competitive , certainly are not Ryanair level, do not suddenly overnight turn a profit into a loss, with no discernable change in terms & conditions for the employees involved that can be blamed.
The alternative theory (backed up by listings of "transactions" between NAS group companies) that the long-haul offshoot NAI is bleeding us dry, is probably too close to a "Reality Check" for those suggesting the employees need one.
I am happy that many well informed colleagues have pointed out the fact that a fleet of 90 737's, flying full on most sectors, with fares that, whilst competitive , certainly are not Ryanair level, do not suddenly overnight turn a profit into a loss, with no discernable change in terms & conditions for the employees involved that can be blamed.
The alternative theory (backed up by listings of "transactions" between NAS group companies) that the long-haul offshoot NAI is bleeding us dry, is probably too close to a "Reality Check" for those suggesting the employees need one.
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Pride before a fall? if, as suggested Long Haul is bleeding the main operation why doesn't the Company simply shut down the LH operation, place the aircraft out on lease and redeploy the crews back on the 737? The debacle in the US is far from settled as is the cohesion with NAS itself.. To purge the conditions of the crews in order to prop up management ego is totally without justification. As for roster cover to break strikes, didn't Shamrock try this in 2009 when separate conditions were imposed on Dublin crews and UK based crews? history doesn't repeat itself, now NAS crews stand a chance of being "part of history.". good luck.. and for Christ's sake change that colour scheme from pen*s helmet red nose and santa claus on the tail!
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Good luck, guys. This is a very serious situation, and will have heavy ramification whichever way it goes. If the company win, all the locos will be given a green light to play silly buggers. If the pilots win, not only will NAS have to up its game, but it'll be a warning shot across the bow of many other companies.
I hope the NAS pilots hold their nerve, and I hope none of the contractors are scared into cooperating with the company and undermining their colleagues. If only the same could happen in RYR, but they have problems with the multinational set up and getting any union representation to make any strike legal.
I hope the NAS pilots hold their nerve, and I hope none of the contractors are scared into cooperating with the company and undermining their colleagues. If only the same could happen in RYR, but they have problems with the multinational set up and getting any union representation to make any strike legal.
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Norwegian pilots union (NPU) is threatening to go on strike...and meanwhile, BK is appparently flying in pilots from other bases. Brave new world. Who are they? desperate P2F idiots?
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Wetleases confirmed for tomorrow, so, seems 2 days of "mediation" with the state mediator is just window dressing to make the obvious intention to bankrupt NAN (the bit of NAS covering Scandinavian production, separated from NAS which they were inexplicably allowed to do even in a "Unionised" company 
) & then re-open as a new entity with inferior terms, seem like it was somehow the pilots fault.
I always thought that corruption & "dirty dealings" were the preserve of Southern European /Mediterranean countries. . . . the last 3 years have opened my eyes as to where the "Africa of Europe" may really be located.
) & then re-open as a new entity with inferior terms, seem like it was somehow the pilots fault.I always thought that corruption & "dirty dealings" were the preserve of Southern European /Mediterranean countries. . . . the last 3 years have opened my eyes as to where the "Africa of Europe" may really be located.
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so Gloom Cat.... 600+ unionized core. At midnight the white tent leaves the table and the black is put forward. The huge problem for the BK is that there is no more honourable retreat. We know that. I think the board know that. So let's see what plays out. Osm will defiantly come at the table but not a single core will sign with a former convict. I personally could use a couple of weeks rest and mast....... My stamp collection needs dusting...
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"Africa of Europe" is pretty much located where you settlers decide to pay rent by buying jobs.
The 600+ "core" pilots paid for their way from ten(ish) years ago up until today with pretty much every joiner buying a rating.
-"adapt to the market" they told us.
-"wait for the market" we told them.
Now they cry foul and rely on the rest of the community to bail them out with support.
Unfortunately we have no choice. Especially given the previous result from the courageous rednoses in conflict.
The 600+ "core" pilots paid for their way from ten(ish) years ago up until today with pretty much every joiner buying a rating.
-"adapt to the market" they told us.
-"wait for the market" we told them.
Now they cry foul and rely on the rest of the community to bail them out with support.
Unfortunately we have no choice. Especially given the previous result from the courageous rednoses in conflict.
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And they're on... Godspeed, Norwegian pilots!
(in norwegian)
Det blir streik i Norwegian - NRK ? Norge
(in norwegian)
Det blir streik i Norwegian - NRK ? Norge
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We all support you Norwegian Pilots.
Please all: do everything you can to avoid being part of anything that assists the bean counters in breaking this strike.
All Pilot actions are for the benefit of all of us. Management greed and legal manipulation has been very destructive to our chosen careers for the past 20 years.
Please all: do everything you can to avoid being part of anything that assists the bean counters in breaking this strike.
All Pilot actions are for the benefit of all of us. Management greed and legal manipulation has been very destructive to our chosen careers for the past 20 years.
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To all pilots in Norwegian (outside NAS). Be very carefull not to participate in strike braking as you would be black listed in IFALPA and future work would be limited. Bjorn Kjos will use means to break the unions.