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No, it reflects one individuals refusal to accept that his decision to leave Ryanair, which was indeed correct at the time, hasn't really been justified in the results thus far. Some peoples way of dealing with this is to try & make themselves feel better about it by ignoring the fact that Red has recently become not so different from Blue/Yellow, then you have the others. . . who will tell you the truth, warts & all. . . . what you wanna know 
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I think that the reason so many pilots have left RYR to go to Norwegian is because it is a nicer environment to work in and has been doing a better job of treating employees with respect and decency.
All the more reason to fight and makes sure it stays that way!
All the more reason to fight and makes sure it stays that way!
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Let me get this clear. You are complaining because an employer terminated a contract in line with the contract terms and conditions?
If this is really the case, then welcome to the real world. This is how the contract market works. Permenant employment is offered when an employer is willing to hedge its bets that they will need you for years and years to come. NAS is just doing what FR and EZ have done in the past.
If this is really the case, then welcome to the real world. This is how the contract market works. Permenant employment is offered when an employer is willing to hedge its bets that they will need you for years and years to come. NAS is just doing what FR and EZ have done in the past.
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Super pilot not to belabour the point, but I don't think fr would have done or has done this in the past. Fr is smarter then that. Nope unfortunately, and I feel my colleagues would agree but Nas is hugely mismanaged. And is in no way any better to work for then fr. But don't take my word for.
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In FR you have every year during winter 1 month of forced unpaid leave + salary cut to half with the same amount of working days for the winter months that you are working. you guys who are interested in coming back to FR from DY, could you explain what is better in FR compared to DY besides the roster?? Because FR is by far the worst "employer" I've ever had.
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The people that went back to Ryanair seem to all have gone back for the same reasons:
a) the quick command upgrade promised at the interview at Norwegian has now been moved into the dim and distant future and instead of a 6 month wait, people are now looking at 1-2 years according to current plans.
b) the people that left Ryanair to get away from the dodgy contracting employment practices of setting up Irish Ltd companies, have now signed permanent contracts of employment directly with Ryanair on their return. This will mean no further unpaid leave, basic salary, sick pay, pension, etc etc etc.
c) returnees have been given their first choice of base mainly and been promised a fast track to command within 6 months. This, unlike Norwegian, is actually set in stone instead of an empty promise.
a) the quick command upgrade promised at the interview at Norwegian has now been moved into the dim and distant future and instead of a 6 month wait, people are now looking at 1-2 years according to current plans.
b) the people that left Ryanair to get away from the dodgy contracting employment practices of setting up Irish Ltd companies, have now signed permanent contracts of employment directly with Ryanair on their return. This will mean no further unpaid leave, basic salary, sick pay, pension, etc etc etc.
c) returnees have been given their first choice of base mainly and been promised a fast track to command within 6 months. This, unlike Norwegian, is actually set in stone instead of an empty promise.
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Yes quick CU, but look at the contracts... and since no seniority system that is the highest you will get on the pay scale, unless you leave again. I think it is unfair to have guys loyal to the company stuck in bases they never asked for and at the same time take rejoiners pass the imaginary que for popular bases
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Originally Posted by november.sierra
c) returnees have been given their first choice of base mainly and been promised a fast track to command within 6 months. This, unlike Norwegian, is actually set in stone instead of an empty promise.
In other news, the Norwegian CAA has issued a questionnaire to employees of all commercial operators flying in Norway, with questions about the work environment, adherence to rules and regulations, reporting practices, etc. Norwegian and Ryanair have both refused to allow their employees to take part in this questionnaire. Wonder why...
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Absolute bull. Unless you pass the sims and line checks to a good standard you won't even get recommended for upgrade let alone on a course regardless of what you are told before joining.
Let's not talk nonsense and stick to the facts.
Let's not talk nonsense and stick to the facts.
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semmern,
"In other news, the Norwegian CAA has issued a questionnaire to employees of all commercial operators flying in Norway, with questions about the work environment, adherence to rules and regulations, reporting practices, etc. Norwegian and Ryanair have both refused to allow their employees to take part in this questionnaire. Wonder why... "
Do you have a link to this . . . . . .
"In other news, the Norwegian CAA has issued a questionnaire to employees of all commercial operators flying in Norway, with questions about the work environment, adherence to rules and regulations, reporting practices, etc. Norwegian and Ryanair have both refused to allow their employees to take part in this questionnaire. Wonder why... "
Do you have a link to this . . . . . .
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Ryanair selection and training is by and large excellent, few would dispute that and a good number of ex Ryanair guys who in their words were coming up for command in FR have joined Norwegian in the hope of fast command, the problem is that when your aged 24 waiting for anything seems like an age, WHAT 6months!!!!! your taking the p**s, well having flown with many of these wonder pilots i can confirm that they are indeed very well trained and will make excellent Captains, but some need a few more years maturity on their shoulders and a dose of humility to go with it.
Command selection in NAS is a combination of peer review, interview, sim and selection, no system is perfect, but if you join thinking your the bogs dollocks and don't show a little respect, then you might not be shuffled 90cm to the LHS as quick as you think you should be. So its in your hands, your still a command training risk and DEC will still have the upper hand and yep we get a few odd balls there as well.
Command selection in NAS is a combination of peer review, interview, sim and selection, no system is perfect, but if you join thinking your the bogs dollocks and don't show a little respect, then you might not be shuffled 90cm to the LHS as quick as you think you should be. So its in your hands, your still a command training risk and DEC will still have the upper hand and yep we get a few odd balls there as well.
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LNIDA, maturity, seriously!! Spoken like a true former Bmi baby pilot.
We don't have have a problem with immature pilots. Our problem as a company lies more with a certain inability to do basic planning. As well as MGMT telling half truths during interviews. (6 months wait to upgrade, 2 years wait for a permanent Norwegian contract). And no, the OSM contract doesn't count.
We don't have have a problem with immature pilots. Our problem as a company lies more with a certain inability to do basic planning. As well as MGMT telling half truths during interviews. (6 months wait to upgrade, 2 years wait for a permanent Norwegian contract). And no, the OSM contract doesn't count.
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People coming back to FR for 'guaranteed commands.' What, the command opportunity that they turned their nose up at as if it were a **** filled nappy before going to DY. Sure the likes of Brindisi or Gdansk may not be everyone's idea of fun however the thought of people crawling back to achieve four stripes, a permanent contact and a Stansted base makes my skin crawl. Obviously FR are happy to deal with you however your former soon to be reinstated colleagues should treat you like lepers. Unreal.
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Yes seriously
Do you think you were lied to? i.e. someone set out to tell you one thing when they knew for certain another? plans change it the nature of the game, perhaps you heard what you wanted to hear?
No one joining Norwegian in the last 3 years should have had any illusion that they would join K group pilots.
Do you think you were lied to? i.e. someone set out to tell you one thing when they knew for certain another? plans change it the nature of the game, perhaps you heard what you wanted to hear?
No one joining Norwegian in the last 3 years should have had any illusion that they would join K group pilots.
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LNIDA,
I have spoken personally with quite a few guys who were told that they would have a "Core" (not permanent employment with a Norwegian subsidiary, but "Core" ) contract after 2 years.
A cursory read of the threads on here this last couple of years should have alerted them to the unlikelihood of this occurring, but , nonetheless, I have been assured that is what they were told at interview.
I don't know if I can lay all of the blame for this on the narcisstic appointee now handling recruitment, or whether it was during BH's swansong, I would suspect the former. I know similarly of many who were assured that their Command would be "just around the corner" if they joined. Again a bit of research & due diligence should have raised their eyebrows, particularly if they looked at the number of qualified / capable Core FO's who have yet to commence a Command Course.
So, they may, as you suggest, be guilty of believing what they wanted to believe, but, the transmitter of this info may also be guilty of (what Maggie Thatcher called it ) being "economical with the truth".
Anyway, they have all seen the real "Norwegian Way" now
Happy New Year, and here's hoping we can take a couple of steps back to what it was we thought we were joining
I have spoken personally with quite a few guys who were told that they would have a "Core" (not permanent employment with a Norwegian subsidiary, but "Core" ) contract after 2 years.
A cursory read of the threads on here this last couple of years should have alerted them to the unlikelihood of this occurring, but , nonetheless, I have been assured that is what they were told at interview.
I don't know if I can lay all of the blame for this on the narcisstic appointee now handling recruitment, or whether it was during BH's swansong, I would suspect the former. I know similarly of many who were assured that their Command would be "just around the corner" if they joined. Again a bit of research & due diligence should have raised their eyebrows, particularly if they looked at the number of qualified / capable Core FO's who have yet to commence a Command Course.
So, they may, as you suggest, be guilty of believing what they wanted to believe, but, the transmitter of this info may also be guilty of (what Maggie Thatcher called it ) being "economical with the truth".
Anyway, they have all seen the real "Norwegian Way" now
Happy New Year, and here's hoping we can take a couple of steps back to what it was we thought we were joining