Jet2 Autumn 2014
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From: uk
Not suitable…..er.. no!!!…... I've passed everything…. it was because i couldn't be arsed with doing those stupid tests on time!! i was busy that day planning landing a heavy 800 on a 1700 mtr contaminated runway!!
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: UK
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe those "stupid tests" are near the beginning of the process so it seems unlikely that you had passed everything.
Yes, quite. We may be getting nearer the reason for your PFO email.
You hero.
Yes, quite. We may be getting nearer the reason for your PFO email.
You hero.
Joined: Feb 2000
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From: uk
The tests are painful
And I'm not sure what they prove especially if you are a current pilot, clearly you have what it takes brain wise. You could argue that about the sim check too. Group exercises ? Yes please ! Getting a job in this industry is a joke sometimes and the tests don't always appear to select the correct people sometimes.
" you hero " .... Really ? Why would you speak to someone like that ?
Nite, check your pm s please.
" you hero " .... Really ? Why would you speak to someone like that ?
Nite, check your pm s please.
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From: UK
To suggest that because you are a current pilot means you have what it takes "brain wise" is somewhat of a stretch I'd suggest.
I'm sure we can all think of people we've flown with who were perhaps lacking in some way and not people we'd employ if it were down to us, despite the current license in their flight bag. They might be a bit thick, not terribly coordinated or maybe just a total w*****. Either way, hours and recency prove little.
Quite what tests are suitable for the weeding out process is of course up for debate and I'm sure will be for evermore.
However, if a prospective employer has decided that a particular set of tests suits their needs then the act of a potential employee preparing for and passing them tells them more about the candidate than simply the results printout. Whether you think the tests are "a joke" or you "can't be arsed" is actually relevant. There will always be times in life (and on a roster) where we feel the same and people will deal with it in different ways.
The ability to just get on with things and leave all toys where they should be (in your pram) is assessable!
I'm sure we can all think of people we've flown with who were perhaps lacking in some way and not people we'd employ if it were down to us, despite the current license in their flight bag. They might be a bit thick, not terribly coordinated or maybe just a total w*****. Either way, hours and recency prove little.
Quite what tests are suitable for the weeding out process is of course up for debate and I'm sure will be for evermore.
However, if a prospective employer has decided that a particular set of tests suits their needs then the act of a potential employee preparing for and passing them tells them more about the candidate than simply the results printout. Whether you think the tests are "a joke" or you "can't be arsed" is actually relevant. There will always be times in life (and on a roster) where we feel the same and people will deal with it in different ways.
The ability to just get on with things and leave all toys where they should be (in your pram) is assessable!
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From: uk
Quite right, however.
It is amusing how often those tests change. BA used to do psychometric a long time ago, lots of people got rejected and they stopped. Emirates never used to, then it became almost a whole day.
With experience I have learned that selection procedures don't always work very well, HR building their part sometimes.
Yes we have to do them, but we are allowed to moan about them too.
With experience I have learned that selection procedures don't always work very well, HR building their part sometimes.
Yes we have to do them, but we are allowed to moan about them too.
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From: Cloud Cookoo Land
It is amusing how often those tests change. BA used to do psychometric a long time ago, lots of people got rejected and they stopped. Emirates never used to, then it became almost a whole day.
With experience I have learned that selection procedures don't always work very well, HR building their part sometimes.
Yes we have to do them, but we are allowed to moan about them too.
With experience I have learned that selection procedures don't always work very well, HR building their part sometimes.
Yes we have to do them, but we are allowed to moan about them too.
In Jet2s defence, once the online tests are accomplished, the remainder of the process is very standard. Relaxed interview, group exercise and sim.
I've had experience and success with all three of these. Drowned in the pool with BA, couldn't fatham how I could make EK work with my young family and still very much in the left seat with Jet2 - and happy about that as well!
Good luck to those applying
Joined: Sep 2010
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From: Eurozone
Have to agree with callsign kilo. The whole process was as relaxed as it could be given it is all packed into half a day or so. Personally I finished the sim with the beginnings of a pounding headache but then I am nearly 80 and not as resilient as I once was.
As for the online stuff, well there has to be some sort of sieve to filter those who take the trouble to do them and those who "can't be arsed". If you find it all to much trouble to jump through a few hoops before you even join then your attitude to the job is possibly not going to improve over time.
Just my two bobs worth.
As for the online stuff, well there has to be some sort of sieve to filter those who take the trouble to do them and those who "can't be arsed". If you find it all to much trouble to jump through a few hoops before you even join then your attitude to the job is possibly not going to improve over time.
Just my two bobs worth.
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From: europe
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From: Lost
RAFAT - I'm afraid your information is a little out of date. The LHS salary from Apr will be just short of £100K (including sector and duty pay, but slightly variable depending on fleet/base). They will take you straight to the LHS if you have 1000 hrs Multi Eng Command. If from a Fast Jet background, you will only get RHS, due to having a frozen ATPL. The £65K figure quoted I believe is more like an SFO salary, with FO about £5K less.
The only STORY here is that the RAF News took Jet2's cash to place the advert!
The only STORY here is that the RAF News took Jet2's cash to place the advert!
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From: somewhere in Wiltshire..once
RAF Flt Lt in the bracket to leave is circa £46K basic plus £16k flying pay. On top of that is the pension (which although it has been massively spannered about with) which is waaay better than the 6% at Jet2 and is non contributory!!
SFO at Jet2 may well be in the £60-65K bracket, but after pension contributions will be on less.
- What the Jet2 guy will not have to do is spend 6 months/year in sandy places for 4/6/8/12 weeks at a time. Nor will he be buggered about as much. It is definitely an improved quality of life, but I would caution anyone who is leaving for the money alone to evaluate exactly why they are leaving.
SFO at Jet2 may well be in the £60-65K bracket, but after pension contributions will be on less.
- What the Jet2 guy will not have to do is spend 6 months/year in sandy places for 4/6/8/12 weeks at a time. Nor will he be buggered about as much. It is definitely an improved quality of life, but I would caution anyone who is leaving for the money alone to evaluate exactly why they are leaving.
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From: Cluedo
SCIN,
That second paragraph is exactly why I'm thinking of leaving the RAF. As well as the fact that a jet2 captain will earn more than I'd ever get paid in the RAF.
Anyone got any details as to the roster? Also, how far from your base do you have to live? I live in Lincolnshire.
Many thanks!
That second paragraph is exactly why I'm thinking of leaving the RAF. As well as the fact that a jet2 captain will earn more than I'd ever get paid in the RAF.
Anyone got any details as to the roster? Also, how far from your base do you have to live? I live in Lincolnshire.
Many thanks!
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From: uk
Prof Plum. I don't know how close you have to live. I also live in Lincs and for two years flew out of Birmingham for JMC (now Thomas Cook) which was a 90 minute drive. I thought I'd be ok with this but in the Summer when doing consecutive night duties I found it massively fatiguing. With hindsight I should have found a B&B or shared flat or some other accommodation to have dealt with this. If I were to go back to charter ops (which I'm not going to!) I would not want a regular commute of much more than 30 mins or so.
I know that people manage all sorts of commutes perfectly well, but that's my experience - hope it helps.
Best of luck
I know that people manage all sorts of commutes perfectly well, but that's my experience - hope it helps.
Best of luck