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Old 8th May 2018, 18:50
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Cheers, fingers crossed!
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Old 8th May 2018, 19:34
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Applications open for military pilots, low hour CPL holders and 'no airline experience' pilots. All non type rated. Closes this Sunday.

https://tuijobsuk.co.uk/view-jobs.php?area%5B%5D=Pilots&location_alt%5B%5D=&keywords=&sea rch_source=13027&search_page=search%2Fairline-jobs%2F&results=Search
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Old 8th May 2018, 20:09
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Originally Posted by recall_checked View Post
Applications open for military pilots, low hour CPL holders and 'no airline experience' pilots. All non type rated. Closes this Sunday.

https://tuijobsuk.co.uk/view-jobs.ph...results=Search
how this will affect people in the pool ?
does it means there will be possibility first for
the ones swimming in the holding pool and
afterwards low hours ?

anyways Best of luck to everybody applying !
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Old 8th May 2018, 21:33
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Answer is: No idea. But official comms say approximately 100 pilots needed so plenty of space for the best people. I assume they'll probably want a mix of all the backgrounds, but who knows? (not me).
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Old 9th May 2018, 12:41
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With the permanent uk basing and temporary Nordic is there a chance you could be stuck on this for a few years? one season would be hard on my partner but not insurmountable. More than a season it would be a no go. Am I right in thinking itís pot luck surprise if thatís what youíre offered?

I understood Tui to have a long time to command of 10 plus years but thereís mention of year 5 FOs being in line. I take it thatíll be temporary with expansion and expect the command time to return to the 10 plus year point?
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Old 9th May 2018, 19:37
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Which UK bases are historically in need of Pilots on the 73 Fleet and which are the hardest to get to as a new FO?
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Old 9th May 2018, 20:06
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Jack the Rabbit - RE 757/767 fleet the nordic stuff is just positioning out there to fly on long haul trips. You won't have 5 on 2 off for 6 months. 7 days away 5 days in England is a good example. Apparently if you use just over half of your leave during NOV-APR and use the chosen day off system you might only do 1 or 2 trips a month. I don't know anyone on the 787 nordic, but I don't imagine anyone will get 78 unless rated. My buddy says they are super short on 73, that's where I'd set your expectations (don't know if they have a nordic thing for 737). Good luck
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Old 9th May 2018, 23:58
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Originally Posted by clamchowder View Post
Jack the Rabbit - RE 757/767 fleet the nordic stuff is just positioning out there to fly on long haul trips. You won't have 5 on 2 off for 6 months. 7 days away 5 days in England is a good example. Apparently if you use just over half of your leave during NOV-APR and use the chosen day off system you might only do 1 or 2 trips a month. I don't know anyone on the 787 nordic, but I don't imagine anyone will get 78 unless rated. My buddy says they are super short on 73, that's where I'd set your expectations (don't know if they have a nordic thing for 737). Good luck
Thanks Clam chowder for the info. I got the impression from the vacancy that youíll be based in the Nordics for the period with local accommodation rather than being offered to position out for trips? Itís the having to be based out there thatís causing doubt. My main concern was whether youíd be stuck on this for a few winters.

Is the shorter time to command people mention a blip and most likely to plan on 10 plus years?
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Old 10th May 2018, 00:35
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They did provided local accommodation last year but most spent 3 or 4 days a month in them, as I understand it. Next winter should be just positioning. Again, don't know any 78/ 73 stuff. Expect the Nordic bit of basing for at least 2 years, but really it should feel like long haul. He hasn't told me any horror stories of the Nordic basing, some love it. I'm sure they will explain it on the day.

The guy I know is quite new so he doesn't talk about command much. Did say 2013-15 joiners could be getting command courses in a year or less. I was shocked for TUI. Struggle to believe it until it happens, but BA apparently have short command times on the A320 so why not?
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Old 10th May 2018, 10:26
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Nordic basing isnít happening this winter, so youíll be U.K. based regardless of if youíre given a dual base or not. It might be scrapped permanently if this winter goes well without using the dual base.

Command is rumoured to have come down to and including all 2014 joiners. Still awaiting bid results, however.

737 doesnít do any Nordic work. All 73 UK bases were generally fairly easy to get into up until recently. LGW is overcrewed as it stands, but all subject to change pending the bid results.
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Old 17th May 2018, 19:53
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Join Date: Apr 2018
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Hello again guys,

I've just received (and accepted) an offer onto the 787. I've just got to make a few lifestyle decisions now. Could anyone enlighten me on a few things? e.g.

- What's the roster like? (I know I'm going to be Scandi based for winter)
- What's the main differences between the UK 787 bases? if any...
- Are there any other big things that I might need to take into consideration?

Cheers in advance!

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Old 18th May 2018, 09:32
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Rosters are crap. You will find yourself on endless bullets usually with some positioning thrown in, all planned by people who’d not be trusted with a TV remotein any sensible world.

Typical bit bit of stupidity:
Day 1 position Your Base to NCL, preferably by the most circuitous route and don’t forget to plan it during the rush hour to save 38p on allowances. Check in to cheapest hotel possible but remember to spend at least 30 mins of your already traffic reduced rest ringing the Hotac department (who will have gone home) to get them to book you in.

Day 2 operate NCL-BGI. Be prepared to tear your hair out doing all the jobs other people are paid to do as everything will have been contracted to the lowest bidder. Upside, you will have a great day out with a great crew once the doors are shut although you can expect at least one disruptive pax who is pissed up and getting arsey because they think £200 all in on the lash entitles them to an in board Presidential Suite. You can also expect some genuinely aggrieved pax who’ve booked and paid for Premium but been bumped and are now spread out all over Economy.

On arrival stand in the blazing heat in a uniform made by the lowest bidder while you wait for the transport. Amuse yourself watching VS and BA crew waltz past straight on to big buses to their decent hotel. Eventually board two cramped and smelly minibuses of unknown Chinese origin. On arrival at hotel, wait minimum 1 hour for rooms as hotel will be hot bedding despite their denials and the contract specifically stating it’s not allowed and the Hotac manager saying he’s spoken to the hotel about it.

Meet up in bar and bitch about everything. Don’t forget to slag BALPA off but then not bother emailing anyone official about it. Coordinate travel with A N Other crew who will be positioning with you tomorrow, ring Crewing to ask why the two crews are rostered 90 minutes apart even though they go on the same aircraft tomorrow and get told to go with what’s on your roster. Attempt sleep to the dulcet tones of reggae from the bar which does at least drown out the noise of the aircon that is expending so much energy making a noise it has none left to cool air.

Day 3. Ring transport to find out why it hasn’t turned up as booked by you personally just 16 hours ago. Get to airport and wait 90 minutes for the other crew who are on the same aircraft but with a different rostered departure time. Upside, you’re in the private jet terminal so rape the bar. Banter with the crew who will look a $million while you look like a sack of shit tied up with baling twine, Flight Deck Fashion, it’s for winners.

Board private aircraft raft which will hopefully be a Saab 340 and not the dreaded Wetdream Jetstream. If the latter you will be tech stopping. Upside, the local crews know us all and are top people who do the best to make the journey pleasant. Assist at least two of your crew off the aircraft at the other end as a result of the local hospitality.

Arrive in MBJ. Transport and Hotac as last night.

Day 4. Operate back to U.K., own base if lucky. Flight back is a repeat of flight out.

Day 5. Position back to base late afternoon after arriving around 0600 and getting to the hotel for a day stop.

3 days off, rinse and repeat. Other combinations are available.

LGW get better trips than MAN although IMHO MAN pax are easier going. BHX is a small base so getting in there unlikely as lots of senior guys.

Trips are rostered through Carmen with a small seniority loading. Top Tip, bid for what you DON’T want as that’s the last thing you’ll get. It’s crap.

Bring sense of humour, you’ll need it.

TUI is pretty much 100% Boeing NPs etc.

If it wasn’t for some great people to work with once you’re free of The Landside Idiots I’d have shot myself long ago. They make life good but if you’re expecting any kind of support or respect from beyond the crew level, you’ve made a mistake. Upside, my Pilot Manager has been brilliant with a number of pastoral care needs I’ve had which is probably why they’ve not been promoted.

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Old 18th May 2018, 11:33
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I think Yeoman must have got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning. Although things like that do happen its not always the way. With rostering anything can happen. Some people claim to use Carmen with some success, I personally believe it seems to work against you. In the summer at LGW and MAN you can expect a mixture of long and short haul. Almost all of the long haul trips are bullets or involve some positioning. LGW tends to get the majority of the longer trips available. BHX does not have any short-haul at the moment but the long haul trips are almost all bullets. BHX is full for Captains but seems a little short of FOs. In the winter there is no short haul. No one is entirely sure how the Nordic program will operate this winter but it will probably be covered from all bases.
Hopefully all the industrial relations issues will be sorted by the time you join. I hope you enjoy your time here and have no regrets in joining.
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Old 18th May 2018, 12:37
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Rosters are crap.
That's why I left, spent too much time in taxis going nowhere on the M1, M6, M25 etc.
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Old 18th May 2018, 17:40
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yeoman,

Long haul was like that on the 767. You must have known once the novelty of the 787 had worn off it would be the same old. Should've done the sensible thing and stayed on the queen of the skies!

Pretty strong stuff too from someone in your position. Hope the rest of them feel the same. We might get somewhere then.

Regards.
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Old 18th May 2018, 18:09
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Itís not quite that bad. After 13 years I can count on one hand the number of times a hotel hasnít been booked.

Rosters are crap? well yeah they are but what does anyone expect when flying a full long haul roster? week orlandoís twice a month?

Crap hotels? well a few but most are OK. I personally hated the holiday hotels in Dominican and Jamaica but some are excellent, LIR/MRU springs to mind, I quite like the CUN hotel as well.

i have to to say I donít see the appeal of long haul anymore, back on short haul and lifeís great again... Iím currently sitting in the beer garden in the middle of 5 days off looking for ward to my weekend in the back garden, thatís the life for me!!
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Old 18th May 2018, 18:13
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Hi Yeoman

I read this thread from the start and noticed a couple of years back you posted different sentiments. Has working there changed in the last couple of years (Thom to Tui) or have you just got wracked off with it? Genuine question in case it reads as sarky (it’s not meant if it does). What you describe does sound quite full on for one trip.

Thanks.
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Old 19th May 2018, 09:11
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Originally Posted by yeoman View Post

You can also expect some genuinely aggrieved pax whoíve booked and paid for Premium but been bumped and are now spread out all over Economy.


I had to smile at this comment by Yeoman - this is exactly what Thomson did to us a few years ago when travelling to Cancun.

Due to a configuration change they tried to tell us we were now in Economy and not sitting next to each other for 11 hours. Prolonged ďdiscussionĒ at check-in eventually gave us a row of four economy seats for the two of us despite paying for the Premium legroom seats at the front.

Not a good start to the holiday - havenít been back to Thomson/Tui.
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Old 19th May 2018, 14:18
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Originally Posted by Jack the rabbit View Post
Hi Yeoman

I read this thread from the start and noticed a couple of years back you posted different sentiments. Has working there changed in the last couple of years (Thom to Tui) or have you just got wracked off with it? Genuine question in case it reads as sarky (itís not meant if it does). What you describe does sound quite full on for one trip.

Thanks.
No problem.

Itís a lot of the former and a fair bit of the latter. I donít know what duties the Happy Squad are flying but my earlier post stems from my increasing frustration at having to sort loads of stuff that needs sorting because others have failed to do it. As a pilot I expect to manage wrinkles down route, itís part of my job but Iím now managing routine stuff that should be being done and itís starting to distract me from my real role, keeping it safe.

As for the eternal SH / LH debate, Iím happy enough on the Plastic Fantastic as itís a nice aircraft to fly and suits a lazy git like me. Itís all the other crap that irks me, crap that could be got rid of if we invested some time, effort and cash in doing it properly rather than relentlessly looking for cost savings in one area that inevitably end up costing somewhere else. In short, Iím tired of picking up the bits. I also think SH is even worse, Iíve had a few health issues and been clearly told that the SH roster was not doing me any favours; apart from anything else, the sheer ergonomic stupidity of the 737 was ruining me!

i also like summer leave and for me, the 787 offers the opportunity for me to get away with my school age kids. Iíll put up with a lot to get that but it also begs the question why as a ďfamily friendlyĒ employer I had to make such a decision in the first place.

As for the oblique reference to ďmy positionĒ, Iím giving that up too. Iím tired of people sniping who donít have the pods to stick their heads above the parapet. The nomination process starts in a few days and I look forward to reading a load of manifestos from people who can clearly do a better job of it. I learnt to deal with disappointment a long time ago.....

As for the original question, yep, there would be someone in my seat before it was even cold if I left and yep, there are some good parts to the job, itís just we seem to expend so much effort on making life difficult for no real gain when actually a little bit of effort would have so much positive effect.

Back in my box I go.
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Old 19th May 2018, 14:32
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But before I go, Doobler, as a MAN bod with a load of other stuff on my roster I’ve never been to LIR or MRU. I’ve got more nights in the Divi than any man alive
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