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It appears they want A320 rated only. I'm non rated and got to the Sim last year. I can see why there's the requirement and its great people are being given an early second shot. Are guys getting a recall just to redo the sim? What does it mean for future attempts for non rated people as and when? A change to the recruitment process like that being used for Type rated people on further attempts?
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HP,
BA is a simple beast and they go for the path of least resistance first. Let the type rated tranche die down first and then wait and see what their next cunning stunt will be.
You might be pleasantly surprised.
BA is a simple beast and they go for the path of least resistance first. Let the type rated tranche die down first and then wait and see what their next cunning stunt will be.
You might be pleasantly surprised.
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I'm in that exact situation HP.
It appears they want A320 rated only. I'm non rated and got to the Sim last year. I can see why there's the requirement and its great people are being given an early second shot. Are guys getting a recall just to redo the sim? What does it mean for future attempts for non rated people as and when? A change to the recruitment process like that being used for Type rated people on further attempts?
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The DEP and managed entry is open but the above is referenced to people who didn't get through selection in the last round getting contacted to reapply inside of the 12 month reapplication ban. Those that have been contacted so far are all A320 rated.
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The pilots applying under the managed path option have a very long lead time before they can actually start their employment with BA. Unlike DEP who generally have a 1-3 months notice period, the armed forces have one which could be anything up to a year. Hence why managed path is probably open since successful candidates will only slot in somewhere over the next twelve months (on the line for summer 2016). While at the same time the rated DEP pilots are fast tracked because of the current requirement for Airbus pilots.
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Not a large number, but RAF Voyager/A330 crew with the required previous experience, can get an EASA ATPL with Airbus Type Rating, (A330/350)with the Course. AirTanker is also a civil ATO with EASA rated Instructors.
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The military managed path, RAFCARs as it used to be known, has a long lead in time for the participant. For example the process starts when the applicant is within the last 2 years of their military service.
Oddly enough it is quite tricky getting an EASA licence on anything the military flys except for the Voyager which is run by a civvie company! The RAF managed to spectacularly mismanage the alleviations process from National to JAR to EASA. Go figure.
BA has a history of sourcing from a wide variety of backgrounds, Cadets, Self Improvers, DEP's and Military. Given the large amount of ex-military pilots in the mamangement food chain I wouldn't expect that to change even though the source of ex-military pilots is slowing to a trickle as the vicious defence cuts over the past 2 decades take their toll.
As the recruitment of Managed Path applicants often runs non concurrently to DEP applications there can be no correlation between the two. The process only allows direct access to Braincrank for interview, often without a valid civvie licence. The application process and timeline take this into account.
I'm sure that non-type rated re-applications will occur if and when the flow of necessary type rated applicants is exhausted. Rumour has it that, for reasons given in a previous post, the number of overall applications wasn't overwhelming!
Oddly enough it is quite tricky getting an EASA licence on anything the military flys except for the Voyager which is run by a civvie company! The RAF managed to spectacularly mismanage the alleviations process from National to JAR to EASA. Go figure.
BA has a history of sourcing from a wide variety of backgrounds, Cadets, Self Improvers, DEP's and Military. Given the large amount of ex-military pilots in the mamangement food chain I wouldn't expect that to change even though the source of ex-military pilots is slowing to a trickle as the vicious defence cuts over the past 2 decades take their toll.
As the recruitment of Managed Path applicants often runs non concurrently to DEP applications there can be no correlation between the two. The process only allows direct access to Braincrank for interview, often without a valid civvie licence. The application process and timeline take this into account.
I'm sure that non-type rated re-applications will occur if and when the flow of necessary type rated applicants is exhausted. Rumour has it that, for reasons given in a previous post, the number of overall applications wasn't overwhelming!
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I was invited last week, I checked the slots available, all were for 22nd, 23rd, 24th of June. I will be on duty in my current roster during those dates so I wasn't able to pick them. Now when I login there aren't any slots available.
I've emailed them but no reply thus far.
Does anybody have any idea how long an invitation to assessment day 1 is valid for? I guess not as long as I'm currently hoping for but just wondering if anyone could share.
I've emailed them but no reply thus far.
Does anybody have any idea how long an invitation to assessment day 1 is valid for? I guess not as long as I'm currently hoping for but just wondering if anyone could share.
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Invitation is valid as long as recruitment is open I would suspect, but can not confirm.
As for the discussion about recalls and why non rated are not being recalled, don't over complicate the situation with theories or discussions on military V DEP etc. BA need pilots on the line now. Naturally the first port of call is to target rated pilots.
If that does not work obviously the net naturally needs to be extended. Patience.
As for the discussion about recalls and why non rated are not being recalled, don't over complicate the situation with theories or discussions on military V DEP etc. BA need pilots on the line now. Naturally the first port of call is to target rated pilots.
If that does not work obviously the net naturally needs to be extended. Patience.
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I see the DEP application has reopened again closing on the 8th of June! Still inside 12 months, unless the recall reaches non rated people. Are they just not getting the numbers applying that's required for 2015?
Last edited by Harry palmer; 27th May 2015 at 20:39.
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I know I'm bad at verbal reasoning but even I read this-
'The majority of postings will be as an A320 First Officer based at London Heathrow. There may also be opportunities to join our A320 fleet at London Gatwick or our longhaul fleets subject to your experience.'
I don't read that as only wanting A320 rated.
'The majority of postings will be as an A320 First Officer based at London Heathrow. There may also be opportunities to join our A320 fleet at London Gatwick or our longhaul fleets subject to your experience.'
I don't read that as only wanting A320 rated.
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You'd have to read every post on the last 83 pages to know if this 'thread' has been misleading. The last couple of pages have been us talking about guys like myself that applied and failed at the assessment stage last year, who are now being emailed back early (prior to the normal 12 month minimum reapplication period) to give it another go. Most, if not all the people this has happened to in the last week have failed either day 1 or 2 and are currently A320 rated.
I'm not A320 rated, hence haven't been emailed, but reading the last few pages of this forum over the last week or so and assuming we are talking about the entry requirements posted on BA's recruitment page today, is where your confusion begins.
I'm not A320 rated, hence haven't been emailed, but reading the last few pages of this forum over the last week or so and assuming we are talking about the entry requirements posted on BA's recruitment page today, is where your confusion begins.