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Old 28th Jun 2015, 10:50
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I think the backlash against the BALPA reps is more to do with the realisation that many of them aren't sharing the pain of the many recent changes to Bidline.
Added to that is the suspicion that some are making serious amounts of money in overtime through "clash and protect". I don't doubt that some of the reps are in the job for the right reasons,however, I think it is recognised that some are merely the other side of the coin to our flight ops managers, and have more in common with them than they do the line pilots.
Personally, I only see this all ending in tears, whether a company falling apart under the strain, or a big smoking hole in the ground.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 10:53
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Whilst anonymity does increase the snarkiness on here, what the majority of ordinary BALPA members are struggling to understand is how, in this period of such unrivalled profitability, with a quite evident shortfall in the supply of experienced pilots globally, there has been such a downward trend in T's & C's?
They are also confused by the fact that should any member dare mention this 'disconnect' on the Union forum, they are publicly vilified for it by both reps and a small handful of supporters. The resignations are many. BALPA is in disarray.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 12:47
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Nicely put 'Right Engine'
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 19:03
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The resignations are many. BALPA is in disarray.
I get why so many feel disenchanted, but what exactly does resigning from the union achieve?

Apart from the predictable response of a "1% pay rise"
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 05:40
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post
I get why so many feel disenchanted, but what exactly does resigning from the union achieve?

Apart from the predictable response of a "1% pay rise"
Admittedly very little, but those who did, often say it is the only way of making the Reps appreciate the level of dismay. BALPA appears to represent the demographic that most matches the BACC. In other words, if you're on long haul and you commute, your opinion is most valid and your lifestyle, most protected.

It is also not helped by reps who fail to get re-elected yet are continuing in their role (when their low-vote was a consequence of their perceived failings)
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 09:41
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After reading the recent posts with a sneak peek of the BA SH lifestyle, I'm still happy I'm applying. I'm with a low cost right now, and moving to BA for a similar lifestyle with some better benefits is a win-win for me.

I'm not fussed about getting a command quickly, I just enjoy flying planes, and to do so from a London based base is an excellent opportunity for me. Especially when I grew up only a few miles from Heathrow.

I've made it through stage 1 and have an interview lined up for early August, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 12:54
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Glip ; I think you will succeed. I would hire you tomorrow. Good luck.

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Old 29th Jun 2015, 13:28
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...with an upcoming BA assessment looming, is the consensus regardless of your test results, subject to having a current rating equal to BA fleet?

I have neither yet qualify for DEP due to having the Jet/Multi crew time. Studying hard for the assessment - but to peril as neither Boeing or Airbus TR?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 13:58
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Have they dropped the grammar assessment?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 13:59
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I'm practising maths right now ;-)
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 08:10
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Glipglop, good luck.

despite the anger at BALPA, BA is still a great company to work for, it has its's challenges but so do all companies.

there is plenty of advice out there about the interview. It is an evidence based interview - give me an example of when xxxxx. Be aware of BA as a company and its position within IAG. How it is doing financially and what challenges it faces. and all the normal stuff too,
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 09:11
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Balpa hq have lost the plot. They think they are a more political machine now.
No, negotiate the terms the pilot workforce require them to say and call the strike if needed. Balpa is the legal framework to make this happen.

Get with the program Balpa or stop taking the money.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 10:31
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(Continued thread drift)

re- BALPA and

negotiate the terms the pilot workforce require them to say and call the strike if needed.
..If you're following the debate in the "other place" you'll know that there have been pleas by some line pilots for the community to make a point to the company by not volunteering to help the company out by picking up uncovered work or selling back summer leave, etc. Following such pleas there then follows howls of protest by other line pilots who demand their free market right to do whatever they want with their time in return for cash....... Given that what do you think the chances are of IA of any sort being solidly supported across the line community?

I think some of the things that has been agreed by BA BALPA's are shall we say somewhat puzzling, such as the change to the short haul duty rig, but organising BA pilots, each with their own agenda is a bit like herding cats.....

Hopefully, now, back to DEP recruitment.....

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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 14:04
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I was told recently that any new Pilots joining BA will be signing a contract to join IAG rather than BA Specifically. A worrying turn of events if true! Anyone care to shed light?
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 14:18
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I'm sure that's been both asked and answered here or on one of the parallel threads before. That said I'm darned if I can remember what the definitive conclusion was.

No doubt probably somebody with superior search skills to me (which is most of you) can find the answer...
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 18:23
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737 Jockey...

I've received my start date within the last few days. There was no mention of any IAG contract during the phone call or the subsequent email confirmation from BA resourcing. They've been very pleasant, professional and open from the outset so I'd be surprised if it arrives with IAG all over it. That being said, until it arrives on the door mat I couldn't say for certain.

ATB

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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 19:12
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The previous "conversation" I recalled was from about a year back when it seemed that some were somehow under the impression their contract meant that they could be redeployed to other fleets within IAG, AFAIK that was and is incorrect. Not sure what the letterhead is on the current contract but AFAIK the deal is that BA are the employer.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 19:33
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
The previous "conversation" I recalled was from about a year back when it seemed that some were somehow under the impression their contract meant that they could be redeployed to other fleets within IAG, AFAIK that was and is incorrect. Not sure what the letterhead is on the current contract but AFAIK the deal is that BA are the employer.
As mentioned above, I've had nothing to give me any inclination that I'll be receiving anything other than a BA contract. The BA recruitment / resourcing dept have been a pleasure to deal with throughout the process so I'd be surprised if it does arrive with IAG on it. Either way, my resignation is already in and it wouldn't stop me joining anyway having received both the base and fleet I was hoping for.

Whatever happens, I'm a VERY happy chappy.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 20:20
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"Which name on the contract?" was asked at the LGW roadshow.

We were told that it will be a BA contract, however IAG owns BA so "make of that what you will"...
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 22:14
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My contract (which I received in April) makes no mention of IAG, only BA.
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