Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?
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I think an influx of new pilots is a good thing. Though I'm somewhat biased due to my age.
No, what disgusts me mainly is the new pilots who have virtually no interest in aviation, have never flown (yes, there were a few at the open days I've attended), and are just entering aviation for a decent salary. What's even more surprising is that these people aren't filtered out in the selection process. I guess the only thing training organisations want is the rich mum and dads to pay for it.
No, what disgusts me mainly is the new pilots who have virtually no interest in aviation, have never flown (yes, there were a few at the open days I've attended), and are just entering aviation for a decent salary. What's even more surprising is that these people aren't filtered out in the selection process. I guess the only thing training organisations want is the rich mum and dads to pay for it.
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Jolliejoe, I wish you good luck, if your posting on this thread you are clearly reviewing the views of experienced Pilots.
It is an industry in decline from a profession point of view. In real terms salaries have halved in the last 20 years and will certainly half again in the next 20.
It is an industry in decline from a profession point of view. In real terms salaries have halved in the last 20 years and will certainly half again in the next 20.
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I work for RYR and I have to say that nobody Knows exactly what happens in the company or what are the plans. They will never say that people is leaving, because they just consider the RYR contract guys, not the Brookfield. I donīt Know if anything is going to change, but for sure they have thousands of CV for rated captains or FOīs ready for start, a lot of pilots around the world who kill their family to get a job in Europe. I donīt thing they want to keep pilots in the company, they make a lot of money with the type ratings. Will see what happens in the near future, but in 5 months the winter is coming and they will ground same aircraft and they wonīt need as many pilots as now. I hope thing will change,ĻIīm an FO and looking for hours and a transparent transfer list,nothing else, it doenīt cost any money to the comapany and they donīt want to do it, so it must be a reason behind. Will see
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Control, it is all about control.
No transfer lists, different contracts for everybody . . . . "control" (you have no say in your base/no say in your contract, we CONTROL you ) get it ? it seems people do.
I had to laugh at this post above
" I still think that you guys should publicly withdraw smooth landings until a contract is in place and union recognition is obtained."
I seem to remember during my RYR employment between 2002 & 2008 performing a fairly high percentage of "smooth landings", but (and yes, I have read the Boeing FCTM too) I think I remember (because it was exceptional ) about 3 smooth landings in the 80 RYR flights I have taken as a fare paying Joe Bloggs in the last 2 years.
I have managed (in my current employment ) to land both accurately (I.E where I wanted to in the TDZ ) & smoothly on some fairly short RWY's in the N of Norway.
Do you guys really not give a
to that extent ? I always put personal pride above my feelings toward my employer, has the world changed so much . . . or have the RYR pilot Corp's skills deteriorated "that" much ?
No transfer lists, different contracts for everybody . . . . "control" (you have no say in your base/no say in your contract, we CONTROL you ) get it ? it seems people do.
I had to laugh at this post above
" I still think that you guys should publicly withdraw smooth landings until a contract is in place and union recognition is obtained."
I seem to remember during my RYR employment between 2002 & 2008 performing a fairly high percentage of "smooth landings", but (and yes, I have read the Boeing FCTM too) I think I remember (because it was exceptional ) about 3 smooth landings in the 80 RYR flights I have taken as a fare paying Joe Bloggs in the last 2 years.
I have managed (in my current employment ) to land both accurately (I.E where I wanted to in the TDZ ) & smoothly on some fairly short RWY's in the N of Norway.
Do you guys really not give a
to that extent ? I always put personal pride above my feelings toward my employer, has the world changed so much . . . or have the RYR pilot Corp's skills deteriorated "that" much ?
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What keeps Ryanair in business is being nimble, lean and very fit. This means it is able to adapt to and exploit any changes in its sphere of operations. If you don't confirm, you are out. This also gives the downside resulting in employees and contractors never being able to plan for what most people consider to be a future. Effectively, RYR is the corporate equivalent of a gypsy. Personally I don't do business with people who only have mobile telephone numbers, have "fat weddings" and crap in hedges purely because not only I do I not trust them, there's little I can do if something goes wrong. But it appears that the travelling public don't care. As long as it's cheap, they'll travel. Part of that cheapness comes from the way subcontractors are managed, ie. pilots. They too are paying the price and when Europe's tax officials start growing a few pairs, some also be paying some hefty back tax bills as well.
Best of luck.
Best of luck.
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Director of Being Nice
Didn't RYR recently employ a "Director of being Nice" to improve their image? Their new sales campaign is trying to overcome the perception 
they are a nasty airline to fly with. Smiling, relaxed pax about to board, better website, free carry on bags (where are THEY going to be stowed?). Judging from comments here, sounds as if the "Director being Nice" needs to spend some time convincing crews too.
they are a nasty airline to fly with. Smiling, relaxed pax about to board, better website, free carry on bags (where are THEY going to be stowed?). Judging from comments here, sounds as if the "Director being Nice" needs to spend some time convincing crews too.
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Well the FO's and Captains are hitting the 100 hour mark in Dublin and Stansted. And I presume across the network. I know of people who left for greener pastures and now are looking to get back in! We all know that's not going to happen. Especially FO's.
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That's not the message they are putting out - all are welcome back...
Desperate times, desperate measures.
A leopard never changes its spots though - so be careful what you wish for folks.
Desperate times, desperate measures.
A leopard never changes its spots though - so be careful what you wish for folks.
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Why the hell would you ever come back to this joint. I was quite happy in Ryanair but with upcoming command and seeing what they pay the buggers I thought no way josé. I wil never go back to Ryanair. Even if they give me golden mountains, you can't change the management culture overnight...
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Well- if a skipper wanted back in I'd say they'd take him/her as they are extremely sort. Just depends how they left. (Eg. Not sacked, did they work their notice etc.) as for the FO's their not too short to be fair, and there's noway at this time FR would take them back. For FO's this rule has been in place for many years now. Unless they have the time on type/total time for a command course!
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Yes, it has been in place for many years, but think about the kind of FOs who have left: largely good enough to get jobs in real airlines and mostly ready for Command at Ryanair, or actually past the minimum hours. They are now much more experienced and would be an asset to Ryanair if they were to return. Personally, I wouldn't do it, but it might suit some.
The word is that the days of the one way street are over. For now.
The word is that the days of the one way street are over. For now.
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I spent 19 years with my last company. We had an unwritten rule that if someone walked, they never came back. Only one exception was ever allowed and he walked again within six months. In my opinion it is always a mistake to re-hire someone who has already quit because they were unhappy.
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In my opinion it is always a mistake to re-hire someone who has already quit because they were unhappy.
Surely that would depend on the cause of their unhappiness. If that had been removed perhaps they could be happy again. I've quit various companies because of the culture from the top. Once the top changed the culture changed.
Surely that would depend on the cause of their unhappiness. If that had been removed perhaps they could be happy again. I've quit various companies because of the culture from the top. Once the top changed the culture changed.
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Happiness
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I concur with your statement. I took a leave of absence due to this. My reason has left the company. (It was a clash of nationalities!) I hope to return at the beginning of the next Summer season.
I concur with your statement. I took a leave of absence due to this. My reason has left the company. (It was a clash of nationalities!) I hope to return at the beginning of the next Summer season.
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I have never regretted leaving Ryanair for a second. And never missed Ryanair since I left. I still know many people in Ryanair of which most want to get out. None have come across anyone who got hired back. And lets face it, you have to be totally desperate or completely miserable and insane if you go back to this bunch. Nothing ever got better in Ryanair, so why go back? I did hear of people receiving a phone call from Dublin asking if they wanted to come back, but all I know or heard of said big fat no. So would I. I think I might honestly rather get out of aviation than fly again for this bunch.
And in context with 'The grass isn't always greener'; well, there seems to be more actual grass outside Ryanair, with Dublin in this case being more of a desert than for example the Middle East.
And in context with 'The grass isn't always greener'; well, there seems to be more actual grass outside Ryanair, with Dublin in this case being more of a desert than for example the Middle East.
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I know many that have left over the last few years, and without exception they are extremely glad they did. I have not heard of a single person wanting to come back. While it is possible the exist, they'd be few and far between. The company have always made it clear that if you leave, it's for good, but I have been told by one or two old hands that exceptions are sometimes made, and the manner of the dismount is crucial. There's nothing unusual in that - many companies won't rehire resignees for the reasons already given. But don't believe for a minute that there are queues of them trying to return.
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The thing is leaving an Airline is highly contagious because of the competitive nature of Pilots. 10% can grow rapidly to 30%. If it's trainers and experienced pilots are leaving this can cause a major Problem. I know one Airline that went out of business in the 90's exactly for this reason.
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If it is true that some pilots who have left Ryanair want to rejoin - what are the reasons for wanting to return? Where did they go that was worse to think that the greener grass is back at Ryanair?
