Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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Why? They have little or no Airbus experience at all. I've seen plenty of new people on the Airbus with 1000s of hours previous flying experience make a dreadful balls up of things. Your career is a marathon not a sprint.
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No I think you failed to verbally reason my post.
First off experience does bring something. It can bring good decision making - not necessarily good flying.
Secondly regardless of your hours you aren't that valuable.
Thirdly I said you shouldn't come in as an SFO - just as an FO - which is probably what will happen. Don't apply to a company with a large part of their fleet at LGW if you don't like LGW. Don't apply to a company where probably over 90% of the training takes place in the UK if you don't like the UK. Don't apply to a company that already has Flexi broadly on display and offer if you don't like it.
If you don't like that then don't come, no one will feel any loss apart from you.
Fourthly, if you're going to come here trying to be a right hand seat captain you'll get a terrible reputation and risk never being promoted. That's some friendly advice.
Finally, previous Boeing captains that converted to the airbus HAVE had problems but flew with experienced FOs. They were owed the position because of their previous position and it being the company's choice to change type.
First off experience does bring something. It can bring good decision making - not necessarily good flying.
Secondly regardless of your hours you aren't that valuable.
Thirdly I said you shouldn't come in as an SFO - just as an FO - which is probably what will happen. Don't apply to a company with a large part of their fleet at LGW if you don't like LGW. Don't apply to a company where probably over 90% of the training takes place in the UK if you don't like the UK. Don't apply to a company that already has Flexi broadly on display and offer if you don't like it.
If you don't like that then don't come, no one will feel any loss apart from you.
Fourthly, if you're going to come here trying to be a right hand seat captain you'll get a terrible reputation and risk never being promoted. That's some friendly advice.
Finally, previous Boeing captains that converted to the airbus HAVE had problems but flew with experienced FOs. They were owed the position because of their previous position and it being the company's choice to change type.
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Personally I don't care where the pilot comes from. I was lucky enough to get my chance through the CTC scheme - I feel zero allegiance to them - it's in the past - you make your own way. I believe easyJet want a mouldable blank canvas not preconceived perceptions.
I have no fear, you won't come in, in front of me.
I was actually trying to give you some friendly advice - if you feel this way now you will hate easyJet with a passion, I promise you. So manage your own expectations, be realistic and know you'll be a number.
That's the end of my debate on this - it's my opinion not the companies so don't worry.
I have no fear, you won't come in, in front of me.
I was actually trying to give you some friendly advice - if you feel this way now you will hate easyJet with a passion, I promise you. So manage your own expectations, be realistic and know you'll be a number.
That's the end of my debate on this - it's my opinion not the companies so don't worry.
For the majority of established airlines, pilots join at the bottom of the seniority list on the bottom payscale no matter what your previous experience or position (unless you're in as the CP or have some particularly needed expertise). That's the way it works and that's the way I would expect it to work here; you cannot expect to jump those junior pilots who have been here a while. In a previous airline that's what happened to me; I left a company as a captain and joined the one I wanted as an F/O. Expectations are different I think because some of us were lucky to join easy when there was a significant lack of pilots with the available experience to be promoted to command and we joined as direct entry captains. Now things are different and although easy wants a more balanced and experienced work force we are not that desperate for commanders. Our F/O's are building their hours and will be ready for command when their time comes.
I echo the sentiments of a few colleagues about the attitude of some posters here. If you join with these views you will not get on well in easy.
I concur with SpGo expect to join on the NEC.
I echo the sentiments of a few colleagues about the attitude of some posters here. If you join with these views you will not get on well in easy.
I concur with SpGo expect to join on the NEC.
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I think there's some confusion about what is now on offer to cadet entrants and DE pilots. The cadets will get the deal as seen with BALPA. DE applicant will get the NEC which means if you have over 2500 factored hours you will start as SFO. As for hours on type vs over overall aviation experience, it's subjective but, in my experience the standard of training has the biggest impact. That affects an individuals ability to handle an aircraft and how to process information. Also, those who have passed a training syllabus which has a pass/fail ethos rather than a "keep trying/keep paying" one will produce a higher percentage of desirable pilots.
So 1500 pilots in the mix, which two of you do I need to beat for a job? Haha
So 1500 pilots in the mix, which two of you do I need to beat for a job? Haha
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Direct entry sfo would be the best outcome but I expect there will be an element of easyjet length of service before taking the step to sfo. While there is no seniority list to govern these things I suppose the rules ahould apply equally to all? Hopefully now the NEC has been agreed we will finally get the details of what we are interviewing for.
1500 interviews seems like a lot and that percentage isn't reflected in those that I knew who applied. Maybe 10-15% got the DTC.
1500 interviews seems like a lot and that percentage isn't reflected in those that I knew who applied. Maybe 10-15% got the DTC.
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Are you right Guy? The NEC I've seen reads 'on completion of 24 months as an employed FO and achieving a total of 2501 easyjet factored block hours the FO will be promoted to SFO'.
So if it's the NEC that DEP's expect then they will be employed as a SO and after 12 months and 1251 hours they will become a FO and after 24 months and 2501 hours a SFO.
Of course there may be a different offer on the table that I'm not aware of.
So if it's the NEC that DEP's expect then they will be employed as a SO and after 12 months and 1251 hours they will become a FO and after 24 months and 2501 hours a SFO.
Of course there may be a different offer on the table that I'm not aware of.
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The fact that we are applying as DIRECT ENTRY first officer would suggest to me that the flexi and second officer stage of the NEC will be bypassed, otherwise they would have just recruited through the same channels as the current cadet scheme.
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I maybe wrong on the SFO front (time served in the co may be a requirement) but DE guys will definitely skip the cadet and SO positions. This is a different route to that mentioned in BALPA's latest article. No self respecting experienced DE would take a cadet or SO position with easy!!
I see where you're coming from. If easy are recruiting specifically for DE FO positions and not just using the term generically for the position of copilot then you can expect to bypass the SO position and join as an FO, maybe even argue for SFO if you have the qualifications. (maybe not argue at this stage though heh!)
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As for the 1500 applicants making it to the interview stage, no way. I would say that the first stage is classed as the online application where the CV was submitted. The seconds stage, the online tests and the third stage, the interview. How many are to be invited to interview? No idea.
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I believe those with the required factored hours will sign SFO contracts.
Can't imagine many pilots with that much experience, accepting to go through a couple of years on a lower payscale. I'm sure easyJet is aware of that. Otherwise they would have kept hiring low houred inexperienced 21 year olds. That's apparently not what they've decided to do this time. I'm sure they know those experienced pilots will be looking for a relatively quick shot at the LHS and half decent pay.
When it comes to experienced staff, when you pay peanuts, you hire monkeys!
Can't imagine many pilots with that much experience, accepting to go through a couple of years on a lower payscale. I'm sure easyJet is aware of that. Otherwise they would have kept hiring low houred inexperienced 21 year olds. That's apparently not what they've decided to do this time. I'm sure they know those experienced pilots will be looking for a relatively quick shot at the LHS and half decent pay.
When it comes to experienced staff, when you pay peanuts, you hire monkeys!
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LOC,
The way I understand it you will start as an FO, even guys who have been on flexi for a various period of time under the NEC must remain as a FO until the new criteria have been met.
The way I understand it you will start as an FO, even guys who have been on flexi for a various period of time under the NEC must remain as a FO until the new criteria have been met.
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airbus_driver319, thanks for the info.
I believe easyJet used to have a "CPL vs. ATPL" license rule for FOs and SFOs a few years ago (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess that's not the case anymore.
Every airline has its own "experience payscale". With my current employer everyone joins as an FO and, after 2 years, there's a decent pay rise when you become an SFO. Then, every year there's a slight increase in pay, up to a maximum of 15 years. It seems like a fair way of saying you become a more valuable asset every year you spend with the company.
I believe easyJet used to have a "CPL vs. ATPL" license rule for FOs and SFOs a few years ago (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess that's not the case anymore.
Every airline has its own "experience payscale". With my current employer everyone joins as an FO and, after 2 years, there's a decent pay rise when you become an SFO. Then, every year there's a slight increase in pay, up to a maximum of 15 years. It seems like a fair way of saying you become a more valuable asset every year you spend with the company.
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So since were doing the usual EZY bashing…..I take it if your one of these fast jet RAF guys who flew in the red arrows etc. And you go to BA after your RAF career with thousands of hours you go in straight as a Captain or Senior FO???? Thought not. 
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Word to the wise... Any hint of some of the attitudes shown on here about young, inexperienced, CTC cadets etc at H89 and you won't be getting the job!
easyJet has pilots from various backgrounds, yes a lot from CTC. We also (particularly in LGW) have a good few Captains in their 20's - would you have a problem working with them? That is what the company would be asking itself with some of the comments made above.
easyJet has pilots from various backgrounds, yes a lot from CTC. We also (particularly in LGW) have a good few Captains in their 20's - would you have a problem working with them? That is what the company would be asking itself with some of the comments made above.
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I heard a rumour the other day that this non type rated recruitment is basically just a ruse to keep BALPA happy.
BALPA have obviously (and quite rightly) kicked up a stink about CTC pilots coming in on stupid T&Cs, and in response management have finally caved in and said that they will hire direct entry on reasonable T&Cs.
In actual fact, they have no intention to hire DEPs (with some exceptions, viz., those people who would have been hired anyway- i.e. TRIs/TREs, those with A320 Line Training experience etc), but to continue hiring CTC cadets on
T&Cs.
BALPA have obviously (and quite rightly) kicked up a stink about CTC pilots coming in on stupid T&Cs, and in response management have finally caved in and said that they will hire direct entry on reasonable T&Cs.
In actual fact, they have no intention to hire DEPs (with some exceptions, viz., those people who would have been hired anyway- i.e. TRIs/TREs, those with A320 Line Training experience etc), but to continue hiring CTC cadets on
T&Cs.
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what do you mean WX man?
Clearly there has been a selection process going on,they will invite DTC's and put them in simulators.Do you think that at the end,no contracts will be offered?
Cant imagine that....
Clearly there has been a selection process going on,they will invite DTC's and put them in simulators.Do you think that at the end,no contracts will be offered?
Cant imagine that....
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No, from what I hear, it's not that no contracts will be offered- it's just that EZY have no intention of taking DEPs. The whole "we will recruit non CTC people" is simply a ruse to keep BALPA happy.
Just a rumour, no idea how true it is. This is, after all, the Professional Pilots Rumour Network. I should also add that my source isn't that reliable, hence me referring it to "the masses".
Just a rumour, no idea how true it is. This is, after all, the Professional Pilots Rumour Network. I should also add that my source isn't that reliable, hence me referring it to "the masses".