Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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Great post go-around!! 23 points jus to name but a few!!! 
Smooth - Exactly, balpa tried more than once and failed miserably! If they cant break the fr machine then the boys and girls on their own have no chance!
Completely agree though, in NAS once they get away with degrading the t's&c's and get a whiff of a weakness that will be the start of a downward spiral!! It cant be allowed to happen!!!
Smooth - Exactly, balpa tried more than once and failed miserably! If they cant break the fr machine then the boys and girls on their own have no chance!
Completely agree though, in NAS once they get away with degrading the t's&c's and get a whiff of a weakness that will be the start of a downward spiral!! It cant be allowed to happen!!!
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The CURRENT T&C's are good and it's a nice place to work.
The PROPOSED new T&C's are such a massive and insulting reduction that I would simply stop working if and when they were implemented.
I really don't want this to happen, obviously. As someone who is heading to LGW later this year I am very worried indeed.
What to do? Join BALPA is a start I guess. Must admit to being rather dubious about their effectiveness outside the BA world though.
I think our only real hope is that the HEL boys really stand up and fight hard for us all. Good luck to them and we'll do whatever we can to help.
The PROPOSED new T&C's are such a massive and insulting reduction that I would simply stop working if and when they were implemented.
I really don't want this to happen, obviously. As someone who is heading to LGW later this year I am very worried indeed.
What to do? Join BALPA is a start I guess. Must admit to being rather dubious about their effectiveness outside the BA world though.
I think our only real hope is that the HEL boys really stand up and fight hard for us all. Good luck to them and we'll do whatever we can to help.
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You forgot about the bit where they 
you off downroute somewhere where you have to find yer own way, accommodation, transport, food after you've followed a set of rules just to jumpseat which if abused our "privledge" will be withdrawn!!! Hang on, privilege?? You mean necessity!!! Do they expect us to drive?? Its so hard to explain how big a bunch of they are in the higher echelons!
That is exactly what NAS is doing to me. Ohˇ I forgot maybe at the end of the month I will be rostered out of my promised base but meanwhile you can talk to Crew replanning (they have no idea about what is going on) or you can take the issue with your contracting company (because you are a BRK service provider, remember) Don't forget to pay everything at your expense and travel on your days off.
The nice thing though, is that instead of the usual from RYR they will tell you have a lovely day.
Guys, please wake up! you are still a contractor with nothing guaranteed at all (and that is including your base) the contract is far, far, far from being what I call really good and see what is coming to all of us after the sweet offer to all the HEL guys. But then again some people value a free lunch and water a lot more than I do.
We are not all that stupid, trust me and like I said before there quite a few now trying to get back to RYR. If I could get my old BRK contract in my 5*4 base I would be gone yesterday with my very kind regards.
Like I said before not worth the effort.
you off downroute somewhere where you have to find yer own way, accommodation, transport, food after you've followed a set of rules just to jumpseat which if abused our "privledge" will be withdrawn!!! Hang on, privilege?? You mean necessity!!! Do they expect us to drive?? Its so hard to explain how big a bunch of they are in the higher echelons!That is exactly what NAS is doing to me. Ohˇ I forgot maybe at the end of the month I will be rostered out of my promised base but meanwhile you can talk to Crew replanning (they have no idea about what is going on) or you can take the issue with your contracting company (because you are a BRK service provider, remember) Don't forget to pay everything at your expense and travel on your days off.
The nice thing though, is that instead of the usual
from RYR they will tell you have a lovely day.Guys, please wake up! you are still a contractor with nothing guaranteed at all (and that is including your base) the contract is far, far, far from being what I call really good and see what is coming to all of us after the sweet offer to all the HEL guys. But then again some people value a free lunch and water a lot more than I do.
We are not all that stupid, trust me and like I said before there quite a few now trying to get back to RYR. If I could get my old BRK contract in my 5*4 base I would be gone yesterday with my very kind regards.
Like I said before not worth the effort.
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Sorry Jedy I'm kind of lost here,
Are you saying that when your rostered out of base that NAS dont roster you to get there or pay for your hotel and transport to and from the hotel or crew food (granted crew food is generally not great wherever you work but better than searching for the nearest carrefour!)? And also who pays for your uniform when you get to work? Didn't they pay for your medical too to enable you to do the job they pay you for?? Talking about pay........im sorry you mentioned that nothing is guaranteed?? So your saying that the basically 90% of of your total monthly salary you get before you even set foot on an aircraft, thats not guaranteed either? Could you maybe explain that? You'd prefer to go back to FR so you can sit on sby 4 day's (5 in a week wudnt be a first, i can prove that!) and get all pay for it? That holiday you want to book later in the year your not sure if you can afford it yet because you don't know how much money you'll make by then? Thats if you can get the leave, after its rejected to still show available next week on screwdock! Ive requested the same week twice, rejected both! How can it not be available if it's available! (again granted im aware leave cud do with some attention at NAS too) Very stable that i must admit, i can see why u would like to return!!
Do i sense correctly that your perhaps not in the base you wud prefer to be in for homelife, you'd prefer to be in base u where in with FR even tho it probably doesnt exist with NAS right now? If this is the case then i think its a bit un fair that you took the job knowing you wud have to commute to your base every week, then come on here and complain how it is (u compare it to FR!)!
Would any of this be correct? Just to put it into context thats all, if your based exactly where you want (same as u where in FR) then i may take your comments with a little less salt involved! If its the fact you get posted out of your assigned base (preferred maybe?) a lot to scandi or other bases for your week and return on day 5 i would have a little more sympathy, but maybe a little more foresight would be required, with a company in these stages its inevitable, until it gets to full capacity with its 300+ ac with 30+ (atleast) bases across europe!
Im not sure anyone cud keep you happy, you left FR because you obviously didnt like it, now your getting moved around europe (at the companies expense) and now your not happy at that!! Goodluck going back to FR, you might get your old base back after a fair stint in marrekesh if your lucky, then again, so many people are leaving because of thetreatment we receive you might be lucky, plus your ideal FR material! Goodluck!
P.s i'll swap with ya if you want! You can have my space!!
Are you saying that when your rostered out of base that NAS dont roster you to get there or pay for your hotel and transport to and from the hotel or crew food (granted crew food is generally not great wherever you work but better than searching for the nearest carrefour!)? And also who pays for your uniform when you get to work? Didn't they pay for your medical too to enable you to do the job they pay you for?? Talking about pay........im sorry you mentioned that nothing is guaranteed?? So your saying that the basically 90% of of your total monthly salary you get before you even set foot on an aircraft, thats not guaranteed either? Could you maybe explain that? You'd prefer to go back to FR so you can sit on sby 4 day's (5 in a week wudnt be a first, i can prove that!) and get
all pay for it? That holiday you want to book later in the year your not sure if you can afford it yet because you don't know how much money you'll make by then? Thats if you can get the leave, after its rejected to still show available next week on screwdock! Ive requested the same week twice, rejected both! How can it not be available if it's available! (again granted im aware leave cud do with some attention at NAS too) Very stable that i must admit, i can see why u would like to return!!Do i sense correctly that your perhaps not in the base you wud prefer to be in for homelife, you'd prefer to be in base u where in with FR even tho it probably doesnt exist with NAS right now? If this is the case then i think its a bit un fair that you took the job knowing you wud have to commute to your base every week, then come on here and complain how
it is (u compare it to FR!)!Would any of this be correct? Just to put it into context thats all, if your based exactly where you want (same as u where in FR) then i may take your comments with a little less salt involved! If its the fact you get posted out of your assigned base (preferred maybe?) a lot to scandi or other bases for your week and return on day 5 i would have a little more sympathy, but maybe a little more foresight would be required, with a company in these stages its inevitable, until it gets to full capacity with its 300+ ac with 30+ (atleast) bases across europe!
Im not sure anyone cud keep you happy, you left FR because you obviously didnt like it, now your getting moved around europe (at the companies expense) and now your not happy at that!! Goodluck going back to FR, you might get your old base back after a fair stint in marrekesh if your lucky, then again, so many people are leaving because of the
treatment we receive you might be lucky, plus your ideal FR material! Goodluck!P.s i'll swap with ya if you want! You can have my space!!
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oh dear
Ok,
One more time for Go Arounds benefit, we're not comparing the current conditions to Ryanair's. Yes you would need your head examined to do that. We're talking about the near to long term future.
But like I've said before if you were in FR pre 2006 you'd know that actually it wasn't that bad a place to be. Things declined quickly during the mass expansion.
Similarities with NAS?? Some... NAS reputation preceded it as a friendly, forward thinking family type airline. Now they're trying to force HEL pilots onto a seriously substandard contract? And sending treating text messages to their own crew.Your surely not denying that Go Around?*Perhaps its a case of, oh well that's not my problem? Well it could be soon.
Yes yes the aircraft are fancy, perhaps that'll keep you warm at night if we end up with 9 days off a month?
A little bit of head in the sand I think. That wont help us with what's coming our way. Oh and point number 7. Union representation. Hmmm that'll be news to the lgw crew. BALPA may cry on about representing them, but how can they when we're all parc/arpi/confair contractors?? The company can simply dismiss them from any negotiations as legally they cant represent individual contractors in a collective agreement.
I'm not trying to be Mr doom and gloom, fingers crossed the management are just ,"trying it on". But I don't think so, either do 1300 CC's in Scando land.
One more time for Go Arounds benefit, we're not comparing the current conditions to Ryanair's. Yes you would need your head examined to do that. We're talking about the near to long term future.
But like I've said before if you were in FR pre 2006 you'd know that actually it wasn't that bad a place to be. Things declined quickly during the mass expansion.
Similarities with NAS?? Some... NAS reputation preceded it as a friendly, forward thinking family type airline. Now they're trying to force HEL pilots onto a seriously substandard contract? And sending treating text messages to their own crew.Your surely not denying that Go Around?*Perhaps its a case of, oh well that's not my problem? Well it could be soon.
Yes yes the aircraft are fancy, perhaps that'll keep you warm at night if we end up with 9 days off a month?
A little bit of head in the sand I think. That wont help us with what's coming our way. Oh and point number 7. Union representation. Hmmm that'll be news to the lgw crew. BALPA may cry on about representing them, but how can they when we're all parc/arpi/confair contractors?? The company can simply dismiss them from any negotiations as legally they cant represent individual contractors in a collective agreement.
I'm not trying to be Mr doom and gloom, fingers crossed the management are just ,"trying it on". But I don't think so, either do 1300 CC's in Scando land.
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Tonker when you fill in the application page for contract pilots it asks you if you have the required hours for captain. So Norwegian.com - about us - careers - contract pilots fill in the form and it will all become clear. Have a good weekend
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smooth landings,
you may be "in a cave" , but you have seen the light (as, fortunately, the HEL guys did too & got representation before this laughable offer.)
Anyone that believes BK has any intention to behave in a nicer manner towards his staff than MOL, needs to get their head out of their rectum to leave space for what is arriving next.
you may be "in a cave" , but you have seen the light (as, fortunately, the HEL guys did too & got representation before this laughable offer.)
Anyone that believes BK has any intention to behave in a nicer manner towards his staff than MOL, needs to get their head out of their rectum to leave space for what is arriving next.
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In the absence of a satisfactory response from NAR (Norwegian Air Resources. . .the "proposed" Finnish employer ) NASPA (the Finnish Union for NAS pilots ) has decided initially to "work to rule" in respect of non-acceptance of roster changes / no agreement to work days off.
Doubt if this will be the last of it.
Doubt if this will be the last of it.
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BALPA is a waste of time and money - they ran away with their tail between their legs last time and at the recent RPG meetings, the BALPA rep said that they wouldn't openly support the RPG because of the fear of legal proceedings by RYR! IALPA are up for a fight and know RYR well enough to be effective, but forget BALPA.
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Aluminium much better sticking together through a not so good union (as you describe BALPA ) than being divided in a non-unionized company and end up like in Ryanair.
Easy choice for LGW NAS guys me thinks.
Easy choice for LGW NAS guys me thinks.
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In relation to BALPA let's be fair about this shall we.
They negotiated the new entrant contract at Easy and the command contract remained untouched.
Sitting in the right or left hand seat at Easyjet in LGW on a permanent contract is not a bad place to be in terms of conditions and pay.
BALPA and and the senior guys at Easy stood firm and made it the career airline it is.
The cabin crew in Norwegian have maintained the very good terms and conditions that they are on in Scandinavia(agreement just signed) The Helsinki guys through the Finnish union are ready for action.
LGW will soon become the biggest base in Norwegian as far I'm aware. We need BALPA to ensure a sustainable career with decent terms.
No question about that.
They negotiated the new entrant contract at Easy and the command contract remained untouched.
Sitting in the right or left hand seat at Easyjet in LGW on a permanent contract is not a bad place to be in terms of conditions and pay.
BALPA and and the senior guys at Easy stood firm and made it the career airline it is.
The cabin crew in Norwegian have maintained the very good terms and conditions that they are on in Scandinavia(agreement just signed) The Helsinki guys through the Finnish union are ready for action.
LGW will soon become the biggest base in Norwegian as far I'm aware. We need BALPA to ensure a sustainable career with decent terms.
No question about that.
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As was briefly mentioned earlier on this thread, are BALPA able to represent LGW based pilots on contracts?
Having an upcoming start date and hopeful of a LGW base, perhaps after a stint in Spain, I am somewhat wary of all this management sabre rattling that's going on and what this means for the future.
I'm currently out in the sandpit and life is good, but it's not perfect - it's not home here and Norwegian allows the opportunity to make the move back. I have to say that I don't want to work for a company that everyone dislikes and I am concerned that Norwegian might turn into Ryanair mk2.
Perhaps it's a case of better the devil you know.
Having an upcoming start date and hopeful of a LGW base, perhaps after a stint in Spain, I am somewhat wary of all this management sabre rattling that's going on and what this means for the future.
I'm currently out in the sandpit and life is good, but it's not perfect - it's not home here and Norwegian allows the opportunity to make the move back. I have to say that I don't want to work for a company that everyone dislikes and I am concerned that Norwegian might turn into Ryanair mk2.
Perhaps it's a case of better the devil you know.
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Everyone has an opinion of BALPA, presumably based on their own personal experiences. It's is unfair to cane BALPA in regards to RYANAIR/RPG, for two reasons. Firstly, BALPA came as close as anyone has or sadly is possibly going to get in organising/unifying FR Pilots. In 2006, I believe it was a slip of the tongue regarding membership numbers, and underhand strategic base movements by FR management that led to a very narrow defeat! Secondly, Ryanair uses the more 'pro-company' employment legislation of the Emerald Isle, whereby they are not (yet) legally bound to recognise and negotiate with any unions. 
Just my humble opinion.
Just my humble opinion.
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LoCo Commotion.
I honestly don't think, and I do have slightly rose-tinted specs, that NAS will ever be like Ryanair. Sure, they are trying to reduce costs and be competitive, but the culture is completely different. They try to help their employees, and I include contractors within that statement, wherever possible. They are not (SMS aside) deliberately unkind, rude or vindictive at a personal level, unlike FR. It is just not in the same league!
Even Ryanair are beginning to realise how bad their employee relationships are. They have recently moved both the Director and Deputy Director of Flight Operations to new roles as (wait for it) Director and Deputy Director of Sales & Marketing!
I think this speaks volumes about the two individuals (bully boys/Hatchet Men).
It's my opinion, that BALPA can negotiate on behalf of a strong, organised, unified group of Professional Aviators. That is of course assuming we are willing to become that group of people.
I honestly don't think, and I do have slightly rose-tinted specs, that NAS will ever be like Ryanair. Sure, they are trying to reduce costs and be competitive, but the culture is completely different. They try to help their employees, and I include contractors within that statement, wherever possible. They are not (SMS aside) deliberately unkind, rude or vindictive at a personal level, unlike FR. It is just not in the same league!
Even Ryanair are beginning to realise how bad their employee relationships are. They have recently moved both the Director and Deputy Director of Flight Operations to new roles as (wait for it) Director and Deputy Director of Sales & Marketing!
I think this speaks volumes about the two individuals (bully boys/Hatchet Men).It's my opinion, that BALPA can negotiate on behalf of a strong, organised, unified group of Professional Aviators. That is of course assuming we are willing to become that group of people.
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737 Jockey,
I do indeed hope that you are right. If faced with the offer of a 30% pay cut for a permanent contract in 2 years time, I won't be best impressed - even if they are nice about it!
I do indeed hope that you are right. If faced with the offer of a 30% pay cut for a permanent contract in 2 years time, I won't be best impressed - even if they are nice about it!