Flybe Recruitment

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DEC will not happen unless there are no FOs to fill the command spaces. Frankly, that is a long way from happening. The DASH is not a rating other airlines want just yet, unless you are willing to to pay for a TR. How many FOs went to Jet2??? Maybe 2?? When the tap runs dry of pre-rated pilots for other airlines, then maybe we will be back in 2006/7 again. Plenty of FOs are being re-bonded again for 3 years now that the E175s are arriving. So unless they are going to jump bonds, i think the command upgrades will be fed internally for some time.

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Originally Posted by jamestkirk

Do you think they will take DEC on the dash.

Not a chance in hell. BBB has it right. Until there is a mass walkout (which will happen sometime) there will not be a need for DEC, and looking at how many SFOs and F/Os going through the command system at the moment there won't be any need for DEC for a considerable time to come.

[jamestkirk]

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thanks for reply. That is what I am hearing. Want to stay LHS, so that limits me somewhat until there is a real need in the market.

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mass walkout (which will happen sometime)

I have heard that so many times, at so many different airlines all over the world and never seen it. I guess it depends on your definition of a mass walkout - 10%, 20% of the pilot population over a month, a year?

Flydubai taking 600 pilots! If true, that's from a worlwide pilot base. How many from the UK, how many from Flybe? I dont think Flybe management are losing any sleep over a mass walkout and therefore dont expect much hiring.

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You obviously weren't around in 2005/6 when we were losing 10% of the workforce every month? I've seen it, and it'll happen again.

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So if my maths is correct, after 10 months Flybe had turned over its entire pilot workforce.

Sorry, I was and I dont recall that.

[salsaboy]

When I joined there were 30-35 resignations per month with total pilot workforce at approx 300... (if my maths is correct I make that about 10%)
Didn't happen for 10 months in a row obviously and they were recruiting to plug the hole... Then the 3ryr pay deal magically appeared.

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proceeding outbound

You're just being pedantic and nick picking over the figures for the hell of it, maybe you have nothing better to do, but you know damn well we were losing more F/Os per month than we could recruit. We were so short of captains & F/Os to upgrade that we had to open up DEC. Even post merger we were hiring DEC. I'd call that a mass walk out from where I come from.

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nick picking over the figures for the hell

If you say so!

I agree there was a very high staff turn over for a while but still not a mass walkout in my books. If you call 30 - 35 pilots leaving a large airline a "mass walkout" then so be it, I just dont agree. And with not much sign of business improving its unlikely you will see a mass walkout any time soon (if ever) in anyones interpretation.

So for the forseable future, Flybe management are holding all the cards (and only small numbers will be recruited (and definately no DEC's)).

Enough said, shall we move on?

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30-35 per month - yes I call that pretty damn big.

We move on

[oapilot]

sorry to intrude on a private bun fight

But have to agree with coffin. I reckon Flybe must have had close to 200 resignations over the 12 month period around the merger from a combined workforce of what, 650ish. A training airline expects a turnover, but that's not insignificant.
The fact that bases were being overcrewed to give DECs the base of their choice as an enticement shows just how desperate things were.

[NukeHunt]

Back on topic, how much emphasis will they place on the "Recency of 50 flying hours in the last rolling 12 months"?

For an f/ATPL that's pretty hard to achieve if your not made of money, unless you literally just walked right out of flight school.

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NukeHunt

To put it plain and simple, it all depends how desperate they get.

[Iakovos]

There won't be any DEC, there are far too many SFO's waiting for command. At least 110 on the CDP (Command Development Program), consisting of approx. a third of these with a completed PCLA.

You're colleague is winding you up mate. BHX and MAN along with SOU are the most sought after bases. Besides last time DEC happened the ASR's and Flight Safety incidents went through the roof.

People are leaving to go to GulfAir and Aer Lingus for massively better Pay.

Good luck to all the FO's applying.

[EK4457]

Back on topic, how much emphasis will they place on the "Recency of 50 flying hours in the last rolling 12 months"?

For an f/ATPL that's pretty hard to achieve if your not made of money, unless you literally just walked right out of flight school.

Or an instructor.

They are clearly favouring those in current flying practice. Which is fair enough.

[CRX]

Besides last time DEC happened the ASR's and Flight Safety incidents went through the roof

Really? I was one of the last DEC's and this is news to me.
Had a clear sheet the last two years I popped in to see FSO on my ART course, and believe my compatriates are similar.
Not to spoil a good story...

[oapilot]

The ASRs and incidents were more likely from the pairing of low hours FOs and min hours Captains that the company had to resort to before it bit the bullet and went for DECs.
Be a long wait before the supply of SFOs dries up this time though...