Ryanair Standbys
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Same here, 2 days flying next week. However, I save up during the some months when it's 80-100 hours so that during the winter they can fly me less and it's not a problem. I don't really understand why it's such a problem.
Who wants to be flying in the sh&t weather anyway. Snow, delays, flying into places in the middle of nowhere on minimas.
Who wants to be flying in the sh&t weather anyway. Snow, delays, flying into places in the middle of nowhere on minimas.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Up in the air
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Like a Christmas miracle the today´s published roster did not evaporate any of my planned flights for the next week. But as the previous poster said, the only way of coping with this is to look at it on a yearly basis rather than month by month. You do have to save some of that nice Euros you get on a 90-100 hour month to even out the likes of November.
Of course, in our base, getting 5 new F/Os in one go, with a lot of line training on top of that does not help when the flights are cut by 25% during winter.
Expect 600 hours/yr, 650 if you are lucky, and plan your expenses accordingly.
Of course, in our base, getting 5 new F/Os in one go, with a lot of line training on top of that does not help when the flights are cut by 25% during winter.
Expect 600 hours/yr, 650 if you are lucky, and plan your expenses accordingly.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know what your saying guys and I agree and have a reserve that Im having to rely on to get through, I just didnt expect the winter months to be this dire and my reserve is going a lot faster than I was expecting, I mean 3 hours flying for a 9 day period, aint a lot is it? Its not even worth paying the yearly car parking charge anymore, pay for the summer then just pay as you go on the rare days that you do fly 
....which in turn will probably cancel out the money earnt from the days flying 
....which in turn will probably cancel out the money earnt from the days flying
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I do hope that people considering a 'career' in flying read this thread. If it opens just a couple of eyes to the reality of life with the low cost carriers then the time of contributors to this board will not have been wasted.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: ireland
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
look guys,its winter when nobody flies,get over it,dont see any of ye complaining when ye get 110 block hours a month in summer time etc....go somewhere with a good salary,fly about 600 p.a. with no chance of command.your choice and live with your choice
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: In a house
Posts: 237
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If it's winter, why does the east midlands sausage factory keep on churning out FO's?
We all know why... It costs nothing to ground a FO, and costs a lot less to get a cadet to operate. Difference between the Easy flexi-crew and jet2 contract, is they are honest and tell you to go away for the winter.
We all know why... It costs nothing to ground a FO, and costs a lot less to get a cadet to operate. Difference between the Easy flexi-crew and jet2 contract, is they are honest and tell you to go away for the winter.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Somewhere between Avant and Vaton.....usually
Posts: 338
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Are you questioning that first officers ability to operate based on age?
I was a safety pilot for a guy last week he was no more than 20 years of age didnt look like he had started shaving yet to be honest, but I was astonished at how capable this guy was for his first day on the line, he was ahead of the game from start to finish.
I was a safety pilot for a guy last week he was no more than 20 years of age didnt look like he had started shaving yet to be honest, but I was astonished at how capable this guy was for his first day on the line, he was ahead of the game from start to finish.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Dry bar
Posts: 351
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Please : I dont want any 
saying "Reap what you sow"
saying "Reap what you sow"
go somewhere with a good salary,fly about 600 p.a. with no chance of command.your choice and live with your choice
He didn't look old enough to have a full driving licence let alone a frozen ATPL.
I was a safety pilot for a guy last week he was no more than 20 years of age didnt look like he had started shaving yet to be honest, but I was astonished at how capable this guy was for his first day on the line, he was ahead of the game from start to finish.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Somewhere between Avant and Vaton.....usually
Posts: 338
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Shaun dont guess about something you know naff all about. You know nothing about me or my experience.
Guessing? I suspect you do a lot of that.
Guessing? I suspect you do a lot of that.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
On my last FR flight, I saw the F/O doing the walk-around as I was walking up the front stairs to board the aircraft. I was seriously asking myself whether his parents had dropped him off at the airport! He didn't look old enough to have a full driving licence let alone a frozen ATPL. So it's interesting to read here that at least one FR captain thinks the same.
From an old Captain who enjoys flying with the youngsters even if I know nothing about Call of Duty Black Ops, house, garage, shed or even patio music.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Disagree Shaun,
Thats why I said no to$$ers saying reap what you sow, Ive sown nothing, I got into this industry the only way possible, in case you are out of touch the traditional way where you get selected and the airline pay for your training is long since dead and buried, I did not create this situation, therefore I sowed nowt fella. It is not me who is bringing down your T&Cs, I simply got into the industry that I wanted to in the only way possible.
People like you would rather I stayed out of the industry under the illusion that that would protect your T&Cs, so supposing I listen to you and say "fair enough mate, Ill not fly to protect you" What then for me? You'd rather I go and stack shelves as Tescos (no disrespect to Tesco workers) so that you can continue flying.
Its not the new entrants bringing down the T&Cs its simply the way that the industry has progressed due to market forces - thats the sowing not the newbies. The sooner people like you work that out the better.
Thats why I said no to$$ers saying reap what you sow, Ive sown nothing, I got into this industry the only way possible, in case you are out of touch the traditional way where you get selected and the airline pay for your training is long since dead and buried, I did not create this situation, therefore I sowed nowt fella. It is not me who is bringing down your T&Cs, I simply got into the industry that I wanted to in the only way possible.
People like you would rather I stayed out of the industry under the illusion that that would protect your T&Cs, so supposing I listen to you and say "fair enough mate, Ill not fly to protect you" What then for me? You'd rather I go and stack shelves as Tescos (no disrespect to Tesco workers) so that you can continue flying.
Its not the new entrants bringing down the T&Cs its simply the way that the industry has progressed due to market forces - thats the sowing not the newbies. The sooner people like you work that out the better.
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: England
Posts: 1,955
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dikas, what did your contract say when you signed it?
I'll hazard a guess, oh no we aren't allowed. I shall state to the best of my knowledge that it said something along the lines of:
"You get paid per flying hour."
"There is not a guaranteed minimum of flying hours per year."
As my kids say - Tough titties - You do reap what you sow and you have quite correctly stated that you "sowed nowt fella" and, therefore, you are reaping nowt, fella.
Your statement would be more accurate if you change the only way possible to - the easiest, quickest, required the least amount of effort from me way.
I'll hazard a guess, oh no we aren't allowed. I shall state to the best of my knowledge that it said something along the lines of:
"You get paid per flying hour."
"There is not a guaranteed minimum of flying hours per year."
As my kids say - Tough titties - You do reap what you sow and you have quite correctly stated that you "sowed nowt fella" and, therefore, you are reaping nowt, fella.
I got into this industry the only way possible
Last edited by Lord Spandex Masher; 11th Dec 2010 at 16:30.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Dry bar
Posts: 351
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I could not agree more RichT, however I doubt that the latest batch of Ryanair cadets are in any way comparable to the likes of Guy Gibson (A gifted pilot/ planner/ leader). Trying to defeat the Nazis and flying for Ryanair are two completely different kettles of fish.
DIKAS, the reason why I feel the need to have a pop is because of the lofty attitudes and misguided loyalty displayed by yourselves. Also you choose to post your grumbles on an open forum for the rest of us to read. Maybe you should think about posting on a private forum (no RYR private forum on prune?).
DIKAS, the reason why I feel the need to have a pop is because of the lofty attitudes and misguided loyalty displayed by yourselves. Also you choose to post your grumbles on an open forum for the rest of us to read. Maybe you should think about posting on a private forum (no RYR private forum on prune?).
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Spandex, please advise on other ways to get into this industry? Just who is it that currently plays for your type rating when starting out? Clearly I missed a trick there! Easiest?? – there was nothing east about my journey into this game I assure you it came with great sacrifice hardship and dedication. Least amount of effort? Surely an ATPL , type rating and line training require the same amount of effort from anyone regardless of who pays for it – not quite sure the point your making there fella?
Shaun – fair enough perhaps this post would have been better on a private FR forum, didn’t realise it would attract quite such a response, it’s a while since I posted on here I forgot just how much people love to have a pop when FR is in the title. I still don’t think that the new fATPL’er is responsible for terms and conditions being degraded, I know that in an ideal world all fAPTL’ers would say “no” to paying for a TR and the industry would be a better place, but surely you can see that that would require all newbies to know each other and have some sort of fATPL-Union which is obviously impossible, the reality of the situation is that once you get your fATPL your on your own and have to do all you can to progress yourself.
Shaun – fair enough perhaps this post would have been better on a private FR forum, didn’t realise it would attract quite such a response, it’s a while since I posted on here I forgot just how much people love to have a pop when FR is in the title. I still don’t think that the new fATPL’er is responsible for terms and conditions being degraded, I know that in an ideal world all fAPTL’ers would say “no” to paying for a TR and the industry would be a better place, but surely you can see that that would require all newbies to know each other and have some sort of fATPL-Union which is obviously impossible, the reality of the situation is that once you get your fATPL your on your own and have to do all you can to progress yourself.