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BA777; Can't really give you an example of how RJ100 came to a sum of £400 per month for flight pay. It depends on how much you work. We get £1.90/hr duty pay so the more you are at work the more you get! I would have said that £400 was an average before its taxed. Working day off and disruption payments are on top.
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Again that would depend on your income. Up to year 5 f/o (IIRC) you are looking at 20% tax.
B777, your calculations are correct.
As towser said. Most of the f/o's have started straight from flying school. At present more and more are hitting the 2500hrs mark and going to senior f/o. (3 stripe & doesn't purely depend on hrs) Surely some will be considered for command with these 2 new E190's coming.
gilbertmchris. You are right in stating that most new f/o's should (and are as well) very glad with this job. It's a great experience, initially with the RJ and now the E-Jet, going into an airport like LCY daily. If you're straight out of flight school, or coming from a turboprop to this than it's a really good step forward and a great job. But I think that someone with more exprience on jets at bigger airlines in particular would think twice.
B777, your calculations are correct.
As towser said. Most of the f/o's have started straight from flying school. At present more and more are hitting the 2500hrs mark and going to senior f/o. (3 stripe & doesn't purely depend on hrs) Surely some will be considered for command with these 2 new E190's coming.
gilbertmchris. You are right in stating that most new f/o's should (and are as well) very glad with this job. It's a great experience, initially with the RJ and now the E-Jet, going into an airport like LCY daily. If you're straight out of flight school, or coming from a turboprop to this than it's a really good step forward and a great job. But I think that someone with more exprience on jets at bigger airlines in particular would think twice.
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First of all, thanks to the chaps who have posted useful things on this thread. Been flying in some of the more darker places south of the med for a while, but she who must be obeyed is making VERY loud noises about me returning to the UK. This will probably be with lots of kicking and screaming from myself. At the mo i am flying a PC12, into somalia, which has its own benefits and excitement ($$$ and low level combat approachs), but i may be getting a bit old for that these days! Now i'm not expecting either of these things at BACY, but am keen to return to sunny blighty. 2500hrs+, multi turbo command etc. I understand that the place seems to be a nice place to work, good people etc, but the usual mgt probs. But what about the future? Why it is not used as a feeder of crew for big brother, al'a Dragon air and Cathay. Will it expand much more re aircraft, crew, routes? I know LCY is limited in aircraft types, but this list seems to be getting bigger. Before i post my application (cant find my bloody NI card), i would like to hear from people there. What is the lifestyle like? Touring sounds good, nitestops always fun, but can this fit in with family life? Does the company understand this, and try to accomadate family people? I am keen to cross the med and come back to the civilized world, and to keep the memshaib quiet, but is this the right time, or company? I hope so, but we shall see?
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CathayBrat. Reading you're applying then for command I would say, expect to be worked like a dog. (not meant negative but you''re gonna be one busy puppy.)
Does it fit in with family life? Hmmm...it depends if you can stand the touring lifestyle and if the misses (and maybe kids) at home can/will put up with you being constantly away or getting loads of changes. Looking forward, it will get a wee bit better due to some changes (in pilots favour) of our schedueling agreement. Giving us more time off after 6 day trip, no rostered single days off. The company looks in good shape, expanding, promotions, new pilots and backing from big brother. Loads are very healthy and although company moral is low, social moral is high. There's no diference between mr.family guy and mr.single guy as far as rostering goes. You can request minimum nightstops if you want that but absolutely no guarantee you will get it. Also loads of charters for next s11 season so no more weekends off I suspect.
Don't expect us to have anything to do with big BA in terms of carreer progression. All you get is a guaranteed interview with BA and that's it. But as atreyu already stated, why would they consider us if they then have to train 2 pilots iso just 1. I know, it's crazy that there's no future for any of us into mainline. Both from a flying as from a financial point of view.
Does it fit in with family life? Hmmm...it depends if you can stand the touring lifestyle and if the misses (and maybe kids) at home can/will put up with you being constantly away or getting loads of changes. Looking forward, it will get a wee bit better due to some changes (in pilots favour) of our schedueling agreement. Giving us more time off after 6 day trip, no rostered single days off. The company looks in good shape, expanding, promotions, new pilots and backing from big brother. Loads are very healthy and although company moral is low, social moral is high. There's no diference between mr.family guy and mr.single guy as far as rostering goes. You can request minimum nightstops if you want that but absolutely no guarantee you will get it. Also loads of charters for next s11 season so no more weekends off I suspect.
Don't expect us to have anything to do with big BA in terms of carreer progression. All you get is a guaranteed interview with BA and that's it. But as atreyu already stated, why would they consider us if they then have to train 2 pilots iso just 1. I know, it's crazy that there's no future for any of us into mainline. Both from a flying as from a financial point of view.
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Not quite sure you've got your numbers right there guys. On the scales listed on PPJN, no F/Os should be paying higher rate tax (based solely on the basic pay). £6.5k tax free allowance, next £37.5k at 20%, thereafter 40%. So you have to earn circa £44k before you hit the 40% bracket, and then only on any amount over £44k. £26k for the first year is a bit of a shocker though 
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Thanks for your vote of confidance, but not applying for command, always belived u have to start at the bottom and work your way up! No problem with touring trips, day aways, last min changes, African flying has nothing on that, but the wife wants me back in uk. I dont want to climb the greasy pole up the list, i just want to fly and be rewarded for it. I admit the BA name swings me more than sleazy jet or o'learys mob. I dont have debts from flying, (ex mob), just want to fly. But also dont want to vanish into a hold pool for the next 3 yrs. From what i have read, it seems like a good place to work, but not if u want to be a widebody capt. Suits me, long haul is crap, the old man did it for 20 yrs, no flying, just pushing buttons. Application will be on its way soon.
Thanks for your vote of confidance, but not applying for command, always belived u have to start at the bottom and work your way up! No problem with touring trips, day aways, last min changes, African flying has nothing on that, but the wife wants me back in uk. I dont want to climb the greasy pole up the list, i just want to fly and be rewarded for it. I admit the BA name swings me more than sleazy jet or o'learys mob. I dont have debts from flying, (ex mob), just want to fly. But also dont want to vanish into a hold pool for the next 3 yrs. From what i have read, it seems like a good place to work, but not if u want to be a widebody capt. Suits me, long haul is crap, the old man did it for 20 yrs, no flying, just pushing buttons. Application will be on its way soon.
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Would agree with everything posted by all.
I personally enjoy it, great crew, good training department and a varied roster. Yes there are problems; discussing them with some crew today but I'm sure all companies have problems in this day and age.
Having said that, the problems could be fixed if tackled in the right manner I believe. Communication seems to be a big one from management to the coalface.
Money is a biggy, f/c and c/c but hey, Im happy with my lot at the moment. The future looks promising and Im happy to see what happens over the next year or two.
I personally enjoy it, great crew, good training department and a varied roster. Yes there are problems; discussing them with some crew today but I'm sure all companies have problems in this day and age.
Having said that, the problems could be fixed if tackled in the right manner I believe. Communication seems to be a big one from management to the coalface.
Money is a biggy, f/c and c/c but hey, Im happy with my lot at the moment. The future looks promising and Im happy to see what happens over the next year or two.
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Im having problems with the Jobs section on the application not loading up properly and therefore can not enter any of my previous job details. All the other section work fine. I have sent them a couple of email yet still no response. Does anyone have any other ways of contacting them?
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A few unanswered questions / comments......
Firstly; DB757..... "Don't expect us to have anything to do with big BA in terms of carreer progression. (correct) All you get is a guaranteed interview with BA and that's it." (pretty sure that’s incorrect)
Secondly, i think the figure of 26k per year has been mentioned due to year one, non type rated FOs being placed on some sort of cadet pay scale. I hope this is not the case and that you get the full 35k(ish). A few people may ask why FOs two years ago joined on 25k however!!!
Anyway, good luck to anyone applying but please read this thread carefully as there is a lot of truth in comments from employees.
Firstly; DB757..... "Don't expect us to have anything to do with big BA in terms of carreer progression. (correct) All you get is a guaranteed interview with BA and that's it." (pretty sure that’s incorrect)
Secondly, i think the figure of 26k per year has been mentioned due to year one, non type rated FOs being placed on some sort of cadet pay scale. I hope this is not the case and that you get the full 35k(ish). A few people may ask why FOs two years ago joined on 25k however!!!
Anyway, good luck to anyone applying but please read this thread carefully as there is a lot of truth in comments from employees.
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I had an issue so withdraw the first application. Changed the email address associated with the original one and then registered again with my original address. Was fine the second time around but be sure to save details from the old one as .mht file first. I'm realistic about finding someone bothered enough to investigate an IT problem for me when there's no financial gain 
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@ RJ_Rantster.
As far as I know I am correct in saying that all you get is an invitation for a interview with BA. But I might be wrong, I haven't applied myself. Just hearsay.
Expect 26K for year 1 and then normal F/O scales. You are right in saying it doens't make sense that f/o's a couple years ago were bonded for 2 years on 24k and 28k.
As far as I know I am correct in saying that all you get is an invitation for a interview with BA. But I might be wrong, I haven't applied myself. Just hearsay.
Expect 26K for year 1 and then normal F/O scales. You are right in saying it doens't make sense that f/o's a couple years ago were bonded for 2 years on 24k and 28k.