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Thanks for the info dhc83driver.
Like 757_Driver I'd like a bit more info if anyone would be willing to share please. basically the same info as 757_Driver
A rough F/O yearly salary including diems etc
Days off per month
Number of nightstops on average
Number of standby's on average
Time to report when on standby
Summer/Winter - is it less busy in the winter?
Can you bid for tours away etc?
Thanks in advance
CC
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Did it occur to you it might be because the people reading this forum don't actually know. I'm sure someone will be able to to soon.
Like 757_Driver I'd like a bit more info if anyone would be willing to share please. basically the same info as 757_Driver
A rough F/O yearly salary including diems etc
Days off per month
Number of nightstops on average
Number of standby's on average
Time to report when on standby
Summer/Winter - is it less busy in the winter?
Can you bid for tours away etc?
Thanks in advance
CC
DCH6to8
Did it occur to you it might be because the people reading this forum don't actually know. I'm sure someone will be able to to soon.
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Thanks Duf
Appreciate your feed back... I have written the HR dept an email and they will respond in due time... I'll share what I find out as soon as I hear back...
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so, is this National Insurance Number only to be found within the UK??
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so, is this National Insurance Number only to be found within the UK??
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Can't say I'm not enjoying my European brethren not being able to apply for a UK based pilot position (however wrong that maybe 
). We feel like this all the time guys, whenever there's a requirement for local language skills! 
). We feel like this all the time guys, whenever there's a requirement for local language skills!
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With regards to the National Insurance Number, you need to have a permanent UK postal address and register with the job centre.
This can take up to 2 months in some cases.
P.S. about time we started looking after our own!!!!!
This can take up to 2 months in some cases.
P.S. about time we started looking after our own!!!!!
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Thank you
Thanks chaps for the info regarding the National Insurance Number.... as for the other comments, I can respect your protectionist ideals... but I do not support them. I highly recommend (should you be lucky enough to get an interview) that you highlight your stance against "others" in the interview.
Fly safe mate, and good luck to those who apply!
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Fly safe mate, and good luck to those who apply!
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In the final section of the application form (the give us examples of etc. questions) it states at the top that there is a 1200 character limit on the text boxes. Don't suppose anyone knows if that includes/excludes spaces?
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Hopefully it excludes spaces...
What sections do you have to fill in on your forms?
When I first logged in there was no employment or education tabs on the left hand side, it was not until today that they appeared.
In the guidance notes it states there should be a 5 year reference section also, is that on anybody's? (it is not an option on mine)
I do not want to submit it until I know.
Cheers
What sections do you have to fill in on your forms?
When I first logged in there was no employment or education tabs on the left hand side, it was not until today that they appeared.
In the guidance notes it states there should be a 5 year reference section also, is that on anybody's? (it is not an option on mine)
I do not want to submit it until I know.
Cheers
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Simon 150; Carls official title is GMFO (General manager flight ops)
As for some of the other questions i'll try.
I haven't got any pay scales in front of me so can't answer the salary question.
As for work life you should get a minimum of 9 days off a month.
On average you will be away about 10 nights a month, this varies quite a lot and some months it will be higher and others lower. You can request 'max touring' but this doesn't always work!
Summer and winter are equally busy.
There is no average amount of stbys per month, you might get 2 or 3 one month and none the next.
You need to be at the airport within 1 hr from call out on a stby. (Although this may have changed recently I can't remember!)
I have no idea about the need for a National insurance number, we already have people from other parts of europe working for us so it is definitely not a way of only employing British nationals.
As for some of the other questions i'll try.
I haven't got any pay scales in front of me so can't answer the salary question.
As for work life you should get a minimum of 9 days off a month.
On average you will be away about 10 nights a month, this varies quite a lot and some months it will be higher and others lower. You can request 'max touring' but this doesn't always work!
Summer and winter are equally busy.
There is no average amount of stbys per month, you might get 2 or 3 one month and none the next.
You need to be at the airport within 1 hr from call out on a stby. (Although this may have changed recently I can't remember!)
I have no idea about the need for a National insurance number, we already have people from other parts of europe working for us so it is definitely not a way of only employing British nationals.
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National Insurance Number
more information on http://direct.gov.uk or http://jobcentreplus.gov.uk
You need to have job or job offer with start date to apply for NINO.
One word of advice, the longest waiting time for the letter (the crad is secondary once you have the letter with number) is experienced in LONDON. Ignore any advertised admin delays. If you can, go to smaller town to sort NI. Problem is, it's based on 'address'. It tends to be pain even get through one of the few lines to book appointment, in London.
One way to go around this is to pop in to city (Edinburgh was good, fast when I organised it for my friend couple years ago) where you fake interest in agency working, register with agency for whichever casual jobs, then you've got 'job' for NI application.
England is generally worse for sorting 'proof of address' for opening UK bank account, but doable. One easy way, but lengthy, is getting basic 'cashcard' account, opened by post. No need to work, put college student or whatever, copy of passport, voila. Then wait couple weeks to get it all done. OR, pay to HSBC or Barclays for 'premium' foreigner targetted account to set up without proof of address initially.
Anything official, letter, even from your bank abroad can help with that.
Companies shouldn't discriminate jobseekers due to lack of NI/bank a/c organised, but they do.. All of this can be arranged shortly after starting job. They'd not get you proper tax code straight away anyway.
More specific info on 'setting up' in the UK, PM me, can give pointers.
more information on http://direct.gov.uk or http://jobcentreplus.gov.uk
You need to have job or job offer with start date to apply for NINO.
One word of advice, the longest waiting time for the letter (the crad is secondary once you have the letter with number) is experienced in LONDON. Ignore any advertised admin delays. If you can, go to smaller town to sort NI. Problem is, it's based on 'address'. It tends to be pain even get through one of the few lines to book appointment, in London.
One way to go around this is to pop in to city (Edinburgh was good, fast when I organised it for my friend couple years ago) where you fake interest in agency working, register with agency for whichever casual jobs, then you've got 'job' for NI application.
England is generally worse for sorting 'proof of address' for opening UK bank account, but doable. One easy way, but lengthy, is getting basic 'cashcard' account, opened by post. No need to work, put college student or whatever, copy of passport, voila. Then wait couple weeks to get it all done. OR, pay to HSBC or Barclays for 'premium' foreigner targetted account to set up without proof of address initially.
Anything official, letter, even from your bank abroad can help with that.
Companies shouldn't discriminate jobseekers due to lack of NI/bank a/c organised, but they do.. All of this can be arranged shortly after starting job. They'd not get you proper tax code straight away anyway.
More specific info on 'setting up' in the UK, PM me, can give pointers.
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All those who keep asking the question about basic pay.... Please read my post on page one of this thread. It's simple to understand!! If you are having problems with that maybe a job at BACF is not for you! You'll make my life harder if you get hired! 
Duty pay is still £1.90 per hour.
Days off. Min 9 each month except Feb where it is 8. They are usually really good at giving you just the 9! You might see 10 but not often more than that. Can't remember when I had more than 10 off other than a leave month!
Sector pay can add about an extra £400 each month (now taxed at a ridiculous rate by HMRC) plus disruption/day off payments.
Time to report off a standby in LCY is 90 minutes.
Crew food is cr@p.
Summer is as busy as winter with the new seasonal destinations from LCY and charters from other locations.
You can expect between 2-3 nights away each week as LCY based. A few two day trips have been working their way into the LCY FO's roster.
Split duties for LCY based flight crews on Fri and Sun nights are now common.
It has been said by others that the GMFO has not respect for First Officers and only barely tolerates Captains. I could not disagree with that statement!
Staff Travel is same to that of any BA employee, not the same as BA flight Deck.
A great bunch of people to work with, not a great place anymore to work. Shame, as with the right leadership this could be the place in Europe to work. Be warned don't expect it to get better. Just as you start to think it can't get any worse........ it does!!!
RJ.
Duty pay is still £1.90 per hour.
Days off. Min 9 each month except Feb where it is 8. They are usually really good at giving you just the 9! You might see 10 but not often more than that. Can't remember when I had more than 10 off other than a leave month!
Sector pay can add about an extra £400 each month (now taxed at a ridiculous rate by HMRC) plus disruption/day off payments.
Time to report off a standby in LCY is 90 minutes.
Crew food is cr@p.
Summer is as busy as winter with the new seasonal destinations from LCY and charters from other locations.
You can expect between 2-3 nights away each week as LCY based. A few two day trips have been working their way into the LCY FO's roster.
Split duties for LCY based flight crews on Fri and Sun nights are now common.
It has been said by others that the GMFO has not respect for First Officers and only barely tolerates Captains. I could not disagree with that statement!
Staff Travel is same to that of any BA employee, not the same as BA flight Deck.
A great bunch of people to work with, not a great place anymore to work. Shame, as with the right leadership this could be the place in Europe to work. Be warned don't expect it to get better. Just as you start to think it can't get any worse........ it does!!!
RJ.
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Originally Posted by RJ100
All those who keep asking the question about basic pay.... Please read my post on page one of this thread. It's simple to understand!! If you are having problems with that maybe a job at BACF is not for you! You'll make my life harder if you get hired! 
Originally Posted by RJ100 from Page 1
That was the pay data after our last pay deal in 2008. Up until this week they were the scales we were using.
We have just agreed (this week) to a 2% pay deal that will be back dated until July 1st 2010. So add 2% onto those scales and you'll get our new scales.
We also took a pay freeze in July 2009 until July 2010 on our yearly increment . So basically we did not move up the scales for a year.
We have just agreed (this week) to a 2% pay deal that will be back dated until July 1st 2010. So add 2% onto those scales and you'll get our new scales.
We also took a pay freeze in July 2009 until July 2010 on our yearly increment . So basically we did not move up the scales for a year.
Originally Posted by Coffin Corner
A rough F/O yearly salary including diems etc
Thanks for the rest of the info though, the captains pay is on the front page, but not the F/Os (unless I am one of the above again).
Just one more question if I may - how many flight hours on average does an F/O work per year?
Thanks
CC
Last edited by Coffin Corner; 14th Oct 2010 at 16:31. Reason: Clarity in the last question
RJ100 quick bit of advice please....
I completed the application on Tuesday and have picked up from this thread that there are now additional sections. There's no way to edit my application and no contact info to enable me to query what to do.
I guess you're not HR but with your insight into BACF how is my application likely to get treated?
Am I dreaming to think someone might call me and politely request I complete another application?
I'm guessing I'm more likely to just get binned, even though at the time my application was "complete" and I had no issues submitting it.
Cheers, James
I completed the application on Tuesday and have picked up from this thread that there are now additional sections. There's no way to edit my application and no contact info to enable me to query what to do.
I guess you're not HR but with your insight into BACF how is my application likely to get treated?
Am I dreaming to think someone might call me and politely request I complete another application?
I'm guessing I'm more likely to just get binned, even though at the time my application was "complete" and I had no issues submitting it.
Cheers, James
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Thank you for the clarification
Thank you to those who replied and clarified what the National Insurance Number is exactly... I don't think that my Grandfather needed one of thsoe when he came over to England in 1940 and flew in the RAF!
I have looked but I have not been able to source any secure source of information on the bonding/securing procedures of CityFlyer.... what can new hires expect? I hope they are not asking for a 25000 GBP loan deposit to be paid back in monthly installments?? Can anybody clarify exactly what the bonding terms are? And for how long? With a new born at home, I can't and I won't support paying to fly typeratings!!
Thanks a bunch!
Cheers
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I have looked but I have not been able to source any secure source of information on the bonding/securing procedures of CityFlyer.... what can new hires expect? I hope they are not asking for a 25000 GBP loan deposit to be paid back in monthly installments?? Can anybody clarify exactly what the bonding terms are? And for how long? With a new born at home, I can't and I won't support paying to fly typeratings!!
Thanks a bunch!
Cheers
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Coffin Corner,
My original post was directly below and in response to a query about the pay scales on PPJN. Sorry if I did not make that too clear. However not too hard to figure out.. but maybe the youth of today have to be told everything step by step with out using intuition! 
So if you go to ppjn and look at the BA Cityflyer page, the FO pay scales are on the right hand side (FO) add 2% to those for each year and you'll get a detailed payscale for both FO and Capt, on left hand side (Capt). Now here comes the tricky part ..... we all took a one pay freeze last year so really, a 6 year FO or Capt is actually now on year 5 scales.
I did mention that duty pay or as some call it sector pay is £1.90 an hour with averages out to about £400 on top of your monthly pay. Depending on how busy you are each month. Duty hours per month vary wildly depending on base, days off etc.... at the moment it apears EDI based crews are averaging more duty pay than LCY based FO's. (only from what I've been told on the line). So I guess you must have been tired for that section
Our other payments are also available on-line from the above mentioned web site.
CC... anything else PM me and I'll try and point out where the info is
RJ
My original post was directly below and in response to a query about the pay scales on PPJN. Sorry if I did not make that too clear. However not too hard to figure out..
but maybe the youth of today have to be told everything step by step with out using intuition! So if you go to ppjn and look at the BA Cityflyer page, the FO pay scales are on the right hand side (FO) add 2% to those for each year and you'll get a detailed payscale for both FO and Capt, on left hand side (Capt). Now here comes the tricky part
..... we all took a one pay freeze last year so really, a 6 year FO or Capt is actually now on year 5 scales.I did mention that duty pay or as some call it sector pay is £1.90 an hour with averages out to about £400 on top of your monthly pay. Depending on how busy you are each month. Duty hours per month vary wildly depending on base, days off etc.... at the moment it apears EDI based crews are averaging more duty pay than LCY based FO's. (only from what I've been told on the line). So I guess you must have been tired for that section
Our other payments are also available on-line from the above mentioned web site.
CC... anything else PM me and I'll try and point out where the info is
RJ
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Youth of today? I'm old enough to be your dad fella.
PPJN gives out of date info by 2-3 years and says RJ payscales, I was asking because it could be different now you have EMBs.
I can't be arsed to argue about the rest. If you would be so kind to take 2 minutes to update PPJN then you won't get hassled by "idiots" like me.
Thanks for the info.
PPJN gives out of date info by 2-3 years and says RJ payscales, I was asking because it could be different now you have EMBs.
I can't be arsed to argue about the rest. If you would be so kind to take 2 minutes to update PPJN then you won't get hassled by "idiots" like me.
Thanks for the info.