BA Cityflyer Recruiting

[Crosswind Limits]

The integrated course question is firmly aimed at 200 hour gonnabes!

It makes no difference in all honesty!

[CaptainProp]

So are people rushing to send in application for DEC with a starting pay (ppjn.com) of 57K?!

[Coffin Corner]

Also I don't really get their minimum hours stipulation, for DEC - 3000hrs with a least 1000hrs on commercial jet aircraft. Who's going to get a jet command with 2,000hrs TT? Not many surely.

[dhc83driver]

you have to set some sort of starting criteria, 3000hrs and 1000hrs is the minimum.

57K starting is better than being unemployed! I suspect there may be a few applicants with lots of hours who want to stay in the uk. They may not stay for years and years but they will fill the current requirements.

As for F/O there may be some of the old Cityflyer cadets taken on not sure how many are still in the hold pool.

I guess there is a good chance we are getting two more EJETS then!

As for the integrated course question, well past experience has shown that low hour F/o`s from an integrated course have done well with the training. (in fact some now have the 3000hrs with 1000hrs jet command) If you have 10,000 hrs jet command time from doing the old self improver route then i`m sure you won`t take the question personally!

[Coffin Corner]

Appreciate you need a starting criteria, all I am saying is that there must be very, very few candidates who would have gained a jet command at 2,000TT that is eligible, hence the starting criteria seems a little unrealistic. But hey does it matter? Naaa.

Anyway back to the main topic, is the roster commutable? How easy is it to get to LCY? (not very I'd imagine). What's the time to command on average? Is it a good place to work?

Thanks

CC

[dhc83driver]

we have many commuters, train links very good with LCY`s own DLR station. Driving from the north M25, M11, north Circular etc, from the south its a bit more time consuming dartford crossing then A13 or blackwall tunnel or the ferry. but all very doable. Lots of tours if you want them. As a guide 20-30 mins from M25.

Time to command variable, Lots of cadets with not quite enough hours for command but cityflyer has been expanding since it was created. Small company so friendly place to work. Flying out of LCY is always different and keeps the job interesting. Good chance of some new routes. Money not the best in the industry but ba staff travel is good. Staff car park 5 mins walk to the office.

[Coffin Corner]

Thanks dhc83driver.

I maybe relocating to the West Country soon, (or Birmingham) so would be approaching from the West or NW. Do you know how long public transport would take from say the M4 side of London to LCY? Or is it easier to drive?

When expansion is complete and it becomes a "closed shop" what is the likely time to command then? Is it still reasonable because of the poorish pay for captains?

What is a typical year one F/O take home pay with per diems etc per month?

Regarding LCY steep approach, I would assume it is always a captain's only landing there is that correct?

Sorry for the 20 questions, there isn't much info on the net (PPJN is out of date) etc. I am in a secure job and need the picture to fit before I think about jumping ship.

Thanks again

CC

[dhc83driver]

I used to allow 3hrs driving from Brum, most reports are early / lunchtime so you miss the worst of the traffic. As with all things you will get the odd 9am rush hour report with traffic!. From the M40 juction on M25 it will take 1h to 1h30 to LCY. There are a few routes to take to avoid the M25 depending on time of day.

LHR t5 to LCY on the tube is about 1h 40. You would have to try your route dependent on which main london station you arrive at. I`m sure people on here can give you accurate times.

LCY is capt only landing. We fly monitored approaches so F/o will fly the approach for the captains landing.

Time to command is hard to predict. Depends on experience, performance and company requirements. If things pick up we could loose a fair number of F/O`s to the sandpit. Seniority plays a part as well and its all looked at by the Pilot review board.

As with all company's it has its little annoying things, Lunch time crew food being one atm!.

Small friendly company with a few perks like BA staff travel. Please note there is no route across to BA Mainline apart from there normal application process. You do get all BA perks in terms of discounts etc.

LCY flying always interesting with some charter work thrown in to do something different, Nice to have a brand new fleet of nice aircraft. BALPA recognised company with a hard working company council with a good relationship with management. Decent scheduling agreement that means if you agree to be mucked about you will be paid for it.

Not sure of the current F/O pay scale, we have just had a small pay rise.

FDP £1.90 /hour

[Tubbs]

Anyone else find the application confusing? I counted three sections asking roughly the same questions in subtly different ways regarding types/hours. Does the company really need such a complicated breakdown of hours? It makes my head ache.

[757_Driver]

Anyone got any details on the typical lifestyle for an FO?

Take home pay?
No of days off per month?
No of tours / overnights - or a mix of 1 day duties and tours?
Random rostering or some form of bid / preference system?
Leave? available generally on requested dates or assigned to junior guys?
Any information would be welcome really.

Thanks

[DHC6to8]

This is a joke right?

Hi lads... I am shocked and surprised at the ingenuity built into the application process.... you need to register yourself with the company before you can apply! And... guess what, you need a valid National Insurance Number.... is that only for UK residents or passport holders?? Coudl somebody please explain this little trip up of info? Is CityFlyer trying to seriously limit the applications to nationals of the UK?? What about the rest of the EU Empire? The licence requirements even stipulate that you can apply with a JAA ATPL... I would appreciate clarification on what exactly the National Insurance Number is and why it is required to apply...
where I work over on the continent we have numerous UK citizens working and living along with 12 other EU nationalities...
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[vfrrider481]

Just read the faq and see they need 50 hours flying in a rolling 12 months. Not a problem for experienced current pilots but decidedly awkward for modular low hours folks such as I trying to get their first foot on the f/o ladder.

My ir, mcc and joc were all completed in the last 6 months so I have plenty of sim time but only 25 hours flight time.

I'm anticipating it will limit the progress of my application somewhat.

Bugger.

[D O Guerrero]

Before I spend several hours filling in the the leviathan of an application form, it would be really, really helpful if someone could say how much (roughly will do) a year 1 FO gets paid, gross.
Cheers
D O G

[SW1]

Superpilot,

Im in the same position as you. It asks for a current IR and I believe the MPA IR should suffice.

[DHC6to8]

What is the National Insurance Number?

So blokes, who's going to go first and spill the lot on what exactly a National Insurance Number is and why it is important to the application process?? As I see it, this number allows CityFlyer to accept applications from UK citizens or residents only... and NOT other members of the greater EU community... unless of course, somebody here wishes to explain to me (and others) and prove my theory wrong....
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[Muvo85]

Yeah what's the deal with the national insurance no.?? I don't have a UK one but I have one from another EU member state however it's in a different format to the UK one and I therefore can't register....annoying.

[Crosswind Limits]

Multi crew IR is fine - in fact it's better than a SPA multi IR!

[Superpilot]

Anyone know if the assessment setup is the same as the BA one? i.e. Numerical reasoning, verbal reasoning, PILAPT etc... Can't remember the last time I practised for any of those?

[757_Driver]

Anyone working there going to spill the beans on what it's actually like working there?!? Ppjn is a bit thin on info and the pay looks a bit out of date. Pm me if you don't want to commit publicly

[DHC6to8]

What a helpful bunch...

Man, the silence if definitely deafening... any enlightenment on the National Insurance Number rubish.... anybody??
Thank you
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