Industrial Action at Flybe?
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Now boys... what you get up to in your spare time... 
Seriously though, I think it's worth hanging in on the CC - I know they're doing the best that they possibly can do and the management aren't supposed to be that receptive of anything that has been put forward so far (quelle surprise!).
But... that last email that was sent around is quite indicitive that something is in the water. Whatever the outcome of this "something", then I hope that it gets the popular support across the board of us guys.
Seriously though, I think it's worth hanging in on the CC - I know they're doing the best that they possibly can do and the management aren't supposed to be that receptive of anything that has been put forward so far (quelle surprise!).
But... that last email that was sent around is quite indicitive that something is in the water. Whatever the outcome of this "something", then I hope that it gets the popular support across the board of us guys.
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the management aren't supposed to be that receptive of anything that has been put forward so far (quelle surprise!).
If it goes to ballot and people back down, or union membership is shown to be insufficient to have any clout, then it's game over and Flybe will be secure in the knowledge that their strategy of competetive advantage by the meanest pay and conditions will be set in stone for ever... and more importantly for any forthcoming floatation.
Last chance saloon.
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From: Up Up and Away
This is the last chance for the BALPA and the CC. It is now or never. The CC can count on my full support over the coming weeks and I am fully prepared to do what has to be done.
It needs to be said though that if the pilot workforce as a collective fails to back up the CC the company will know it can do what it wants both in the short and long term. It is sad to say that after that there will be little point in remaining in the union and I would award myself a 1% payrise. If we can hang together and get a decent increase BALPA are welcome to the increase in subs they will have earnt.
It needs to be said though that if the pilot workforce as a collective fails to back up the CC the company will know it can do what it wants both in the short and long term. It is sad to say that after that there will be little point in remaining in the union and I would award myself a 1% payrise. If we can hang together and get a decent increase BALPA are welcome to the increase in subs they will have earnt.
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And be fair the dash makes the money
So when the Dash gets offered 10% and the 195 gets offered 5%, mutually inclusive are you going to vote for or against? Seeing as you earn all the money should you get a bigger pay rise? If you don't think that then why mention it?
I hope you get my drift, STICK TOGETHER and get the best for everybody.
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And 58 Dashes cost? 12 195's cost? Salaries between each fleet cost? Revenue per flight comparison?
Anyway, your first post had a hint of you want what you earnt and you want it ASAP bugger the rest. Unfortunately in the past that has resulted in a less than better deal for the Embraer and 146 guys. Bear in mind that the Dash is the bigger fleet and, therefore, have the bigger vote it is highly likely that that is what will happen again.
Unless you all stick it up Frenchies bum.
Anyway, your first post had a hint of you want what you earnt and you want it ASAP bugger the rest. Unfortunately in the past that has resulted in a less than better deal for the Embraer and 146 guys. Bear in mind that the Dash is the bigger fleet and, therefore, have the bigger vote it is highly likely that that is what will happen again.
Unless you all stick it up Frenchies bum.
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From: Glasgow
TV's
Shiny TV's now appearing in Crew Rooms, possible new management tactics.
YouTube - Hypnotode
The fact that it's a frog is purely coincidental.
YouTube - Hypnotode
The fact that it's a frog is purely coincidental.
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Yes, I wondered about the whole TV thing. It does say rather a lot about the lack of understanding in EXT as to what pilots and cabin crew do that they think we will be sitting around to be able to watch TV during our working day. 
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Stand by lengthened !!!!
Now Flybe are really taking the p*ss,
Not only are Aprils pay discussions still being dragged out, blue skies scheduling seems to have been put on permanent hold, amongst other ways that Flybe are trying to break the pilots to a new low, but now;
Flybe have now told BALPA that stand bys will now be lengthened by 2 hours to 10 hours max." This will cause less disruption to the crews" - yes because we will have less time off.
Crewing will stand you down early if not required, but the duty hours will be recycled later in the month, hence more instability.
This will also mean that disruption payments will be harder to get as the original duty hours will be longer.
This has been forced through with no consultation!!
Wait to see what the next new low will be........
Not only are Aprils pay discussions still being dragged out, blue skies scheduling seems to have been put on permanent hold, amongst other ways that Flybe are trying to break the pilots to a new low, but now;
Flybe have now told BALPA that stand bys will now be lengthened by 2 hours to 10 hours max." This will cause less disruption to the crews" - yes because we will have less time off.
Crewing will stand you down early if not required, but the duty hours will be recycled later in the month, hence more instability.
This will also mean that disruption payments will be harder to get as the original duty hours will be longer.
This has been forced through with no consultation!!
Wait to see what the next new low will be........
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And another member of the PPRuNe Spelling & Grammar Police raises his head 
This latest move is despicable, indeed Serenity what is next on the drawing board? How much longer are we going to let them hammer us without action? It's time to unite as a crew and stand up and be counted.
I am thinking this is all a diabolical scheme to drive as many people from the company as possible to replace them with lower paid cadets. There can be no other reason.
This latest move is despicable, indeed Serenity what is next on the drawing board? How much longer are we going to let them hammer us without action? It's time to unite as a crew and stand up and be counted.
I am thinking this is all a diabolical scheme to drive as many people from the company as possible to replace them with lower paid cadets. There can be no other reason.
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From: Here, there, everywhere
Flybe have now told BALPA that stand bys will now be lengthened by 2 hours to 10 hours max
This business of 'recycling' hours has been going on for a while anyway, we must all have seen the infamous "was xxx, now xxx due to high hours".
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Oh, and as an aside....
it would be nice to wake up one morning to see "BALPA TELL Flybe that..."
Personally, I've had enough of the softly softly approach. I'm not saying all guns blazing, just that were meant to be on the same side and its time they took us a bit more seriously.
it would be nice to wake up one morning to see "BALPA TELL Flybe that..."
Personally, I've had enough of the softly softly approach. I'm not saying all guns blazing, just that were meant to be on the same side and its time they took us a bit more seriously.
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From: Your Worst Nightmare
Unfortunately there is nothing in the current SA that stipulates what the maximum standby period can be. It was just the naive hope, I suppose, that the company would adhere to the spirit of the SA by keeping standbys to the 6-8hr range as they are with Block Stbys.
Ah well vaseline at the ready for a disruptive December, only 10 standbys to negotiate
Ah well vaseline at the ready for a disruptive December, only 10 standbys to negotiate
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we'd better all shut T.F up else stbys will go to 12hrs.
This place is starting to resemble Ryanair without the high pay and charming reasonable management
This place is starting to resemble Ryanair without the high pay and charming reasonable management