Industrial Action at Flybe?
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Do not under estimate the strength of your hand at present. Any official talks around strike action will kill the flotation, and therefore your directors £tens of millions are on hold once again.
Then again, there are many longer serving pilots for whom the flotation will be a nice windfall; so already you're divided!
Presumably your reps have seen the business' forecasts that will make up the prospectus and let you know the current proposed pay increases for the next 5 years, which will have also been reviewed by external accountants.
Equally, whilst G-60 and co do a great job of underselling themselves, the flybe flight deck is generally made up of hard-working, clever and sensible guys and not just any fatpl holder - so the real supply isn't that great. In fact, to get what they do for £30k+ a year for people that have invested £50k is bloody great value, even in aviation.
Then again, there are many longer serving pilots for whom the flotation will be a nice windfall; so already you're divided!
Presumably your reps have seen the business' forecasts that will make up the prospectus and let you know the current proposed pay increases for the next 5 years, which will have also been reviewed by external accountants.
Equally, whilst G-60 and co do a great job of underselling themselves, the flybe flight deck is generally made up of hard-working, clever and sensible guys and not just any fatpl holder - so the real supply isn't that great. In fact, to get what they do for £30k+ a year for people that have invested £50k is bloody great value, even in aviation.
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Most Flybe F/O's
FYI Most fully qualified Flybe F/O's earn £25k-£32k - about as much as a HGV or bus driver and considerably less than a train driver (£45-£50k starting salary) - oh and less than most of the refuellers who fuel the planes we fly.
If the public knew this, maybe they'd agree we're underpaid considering the level of training and skill required to do the job, not to mention the responsibility and unsocial hours and weekend working required.
Perhaps now people can see why most of us are extrmely annoyed with the 0.3% pay rise over the past 2 years we have been offered...
A 5yr F/O with Flybe would be making around £35k - the pay scales are on the Flybe website for all to see.
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If the public knew this, maybe they'd agree we're underpaid considering the level of training and skill required to do the job, not to mention the responsibility and unsocial hours and weekend working required.
Perhaps now people can see why most of us are extrmely annoyed with the 0.3% pay rise over the past 2 years we have been offered...
A 5yr F/O with Flybe would be making around £35k - the pay scales are on the Flybe website for all to see.
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Well, hammer them with one of those good old strikes, then ! What is it ? Such or such pilot has been promised candies and will not be able to follow up on this one (Oooh, you'll understand, surely...).
I'm getting sick of this population chickening out and finding all reasons not to hit hard. Less pay than bus and tube drivers ? Well, less guts as well (The tube is out tomorrow...). We get what we deserve.
Do you realise where this kind of weakness would have taken us in 1939 ? We'd all be speaking German by now.
I'm getting sick of this population chickening out and finding all reasons not to hit hard. Less pay than bus and tube drivers ? Well, less guts as well (The tube is out tomorrow...). We get what we deserve.
Do you realise where this kind of weakness would have taken us in 1939 ? We'd all be speaking German by now.
So the Finnair contract has been cancelled/postponed/renegotiated (time will tell), what are the odds management uses this as an excuse not to be able to afford a proper pay rise or improvement of conditions???
you can hear it now " you`re lucky to have jobs, can`t afford anything in order to avaoid redundancies" etc etc!!! again!!!
you can hear it now " you`re lucky to have jobs, can`t afford anything in order to avaoid redundancies" etc etc!!! again!!!
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If you're going to do it, damn well do it ! All this 'bovine scatology' is worthless unless you follow words with actions.
If you lot can't come up with a constructive, majority and united action plan, then forget it.
If BALAPA won't put forward an action plan, and your PLC is management pilot heavy, a vote of no confidence in your PLC should take place
If you lot can't come up with a constructive, majority and united action plan, then forget it.If BALAPA won't put forward an action plan, and your PLC is management pilot heavy, a vote of no confidence in your PLC should take place
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Serenity, What's to stop BALPA arguing Finnair decided to buy Finncom instead, due to worries over the many rumours of industrial action? It looks to me its in the interests of the company to make its employees happy at this moment in its evolution. You never know!
You never know!!!
Balpa may surprise us and do that, but I don't see management changing their ideas and philosophies to give us all a nice pay rise!!
Think they are more likely to say there is no money, delay and find excuses.
I would love to be pleasantly surprised.........
Balpa may surprise us and do that, but I don't see management changing their ideas and philosophies to give us all a nice pay rise!!
Think they are more likely to say there is no money, delay and find excuses.
I would love to be pleasantly surprised.........
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Could be Burpbot but I think Flybe and finncomm are being played off against each other by finnair who are trying to get the cost of connecting regional flights down to a minimum.
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I think you over estimate the numbers in the hold pool waiting to start. There is only one pool. Numbers are not large. regs BBB
I think you over estimate the numbers in the hold pool waiting to start. There is only one pool. Numbers are not large. regs BBB
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Originally Posted by BUGS/BEARINGS/BOXES
There is only one pool. Numbers are not large. regs BBB
Firstly, when have I ever stated the numbers in the pool?
Secondly, I can assure you there is more than ONE hold pool.
There is the main pool for Mr wannabe "off the street" (with about 15-20 in it)
There is the pool of MPL students
There is the pool of Thomas Cook cadets (coming soon)
There is the pool of Mentored/Part sponsored Cadets from FTE etc.
There is another pool that I really can't be arsed to try and remember about, but it's something to do with sponsored cadets.
The bottom lot on this list are being given preference over the main pool of wannabes - fact. If you are in the main pool then there could be a long wait for a job.
Should the market pick up and all the pools empty then all Flybe has to do is get on the phone and call any number of the 1,000,000 applications they have on file and they'll get starters almost straight away - another fact.
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p.s If you want to be a pedant and argue the toss that the "cadets" waiting are not in a "pool" then that is up to you, in the cold light of day, they are awaiting jobs
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The TCX students go where the gaps are post the main moves as a result of the revelent bid process. There is no hold for them per say, plus they have not yet started in FTE so still to early to predict attrition rates/ expansion etc etc. They will graduate early 2012 ex FTE.
The MPL/PSP/MAPS students from the FTO's are in one pool. The first MPL course is doing its TR with the second to start the TR soon. Both are doing a combined TR groundschool. With courses having been offered to several cadets from this pool the numbers left would be managed in a few TR intakes.
Due to the change over in online application vetting company, the list of contacts were deleted as per data protection guidelines. I am more than aware there is a pile of CV's, however applicants will have to apply online.
The reason I post this is that those who are CPL/IR holders waiting for their 'big break' who read this, if things 'kick-off' in terms of recruitment, it will not be long before the doors re-open. Again Crystal ball at ready, and company mobile change over day sees lack of network signal for said ball at present.
The MPL/PSP/MAPS students from the FTO's are in one pool. The first MPL course is doing its TR with the second to start the TR soon. Both are doing a combined TR groundschool. With courses having been offered to several cadets from this pool the numbers left would be managed in a few TR intakes.
Due to the change over in online application vetting company, the list of contacts were deleted as per data protection guidelines. I am more than aware there is a pile of CV's, however applicants will have to apply online.
The reason I post this is that those who are CPL/IR holders waiting for their 'big break' who read this, if things 'kick-off' in terms of recruitment, it will not be long before the doors re-open. Again Crystal ball at ready, and company mobile change over day sees lack of network signal for said ball at present.
So all gone very quiet, i know there is the odd meeting but little else seems to be happening!
The management seem very good at delaying, however how long until then exodus??? More and more companies seem to be recruiting, BA, Virgin, Jet2, GSS, Cityflyer and thats without the European & middle/far east.
There are now fewer regional companies to feed the growing demand, so i guess a good percentage will come from Flybe.
Some already handed in their notice, there must be plenty in the wings??
Are the management hoping to delay until the exodus or just hoping all the senior guys leave and can be replaced with cheaper cadets??
Buy outs of other companies are rumoured, but will probably mean little for crews in the UK. Are these now the managements focus, the UK crews left to fend for themselves???
The management seem very good at delaying, however how long until then exodus??? More and more companies seem to be recruiting, BA, Virgin, Jet2, GSS, Cityflyer and thats without the European & middle/far east.
There are now fewer regional companies to feed the growing demand, so i guess a good percentage will come from Flybe.
Some already handed in their notice, there must be plenty in the wings??
Are the management hoping to delay until the exodus or just hoping all the senior guys leave and can be replaced with cheaper cadets??
Buy outs of other companies are rumoured, but will probably mean little for crews in the UK. Are these now the managements focus, the UK crews left to fend for themselves???
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Originally Posted by Serenity
Are the management hoping to delay until the exodus or just hoping all the senior guys leave and can be replaced with cheaper cadets??
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Are the management hoping to delay until the exodus or just hoping all the senior guys leave and can be replaced with cheaper cadets??
If only we could sack all the directors that make these sort of decisions and replace them with new graduates on a pay-to-work internship.
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Flotation
So with a much rumoured flotation on the LSE on the cards have these issues been resolved? Can't imagine potential investors being overjoyed at the prospect of a militant workforce. 
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This could be BALPA's opportunity to utilise the press to best advantage.
With management now citing the Data Protection Act in order to subvert the Scheduling Agreement, it's not getting any happier at Flybe.
With management now citing the Data Protection Act in order to subvert the Scheduling Agreement, it's not getting any happier at Flybe.