easyJet Pilots Offered Work as Cabin Crew in January
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First of all, I am pleased to report from my spies that so far not a single pilot has taken up the job 'offer' of being cabin crew for a month. Secondly, under a separate thread the details of the latest CTC offer will appear. You heard it here first....
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"We have negotiated with the Company to save at least 19 pilot jobs
in addition to re-opening a further voluntary severance scheme. So
from the Company figure of 156 pilots, (137 FTE), the number of
redundancies has dropped to 137 pilots, (120 FTE), and hopefully
will drop further with VS take up. We have also negotiated to
reduce the number of demoted Captains from 62 down to 20."
in addition to re-opening a further voluntary severance scheme. So
from the Company figure of 156 pilots, (137 FTE), the number of
redundancies has dropped to 137 pilots, (120 FTE), and hopefully
will drop further with VS take up. We have also negotiated to
reduce the number of demoted Captains from 62 down to 20."
As for lemmings - here we are having our beef casserole taken off us in the interest of saving the aircraft from certain disaster at the hands of pilots and yet 'the pilot community' is happy to see despicable schemes such as Easy are now providing.
Let's think about this for a minute...young cadet gets loaded and loaded with debt. Crap life, no end in sight, no prospects, no help from anyone...'screw you I'm alright, Jack' attitude from his/her 'colleagues' etc etc. How far are we going to let it go before some disenchanted, hopeless and screwed up newbie has enough of the crap and does something stupid thinking they've got nothing to look forward to. Ah well, as long as they don't have a yoghurt it will all be fine.
BALPA are useless in stopping the race to the bottom. That fact unfortunately is unavoidable. They look after themselves i.e. senior captains and TCs. It's like chopping at a tree at the bottom - you might be ok at the top for now but eventually it will all come crashing down.
Thankfully I work in an airline that hasn't yet decided to partake in such dreadful schemes and I'm pleased to be able to say that - but that doesn't make me any less concerned for the future of the profession and the industry as a whole.
Safe landings guys.
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Next month 80 Thomson Airways pilots have
interviews and simulator assessments lined up in the UK with Qatar
Airways and around 25 have interviews with Fly Dubai."
interviews and simulator assessments lined up in the UK with Qatar
Airways and around 25 have interviews with Fly Dubai."
Stan, apologies, I took you for a BALPA hangar on.
Not many heading for mol's ruinair then, are there?
I wonder why that may be as it is such a fantastic place to be in?
It seems to me that pilots join aforementioned company as a last resort only i.e. when either no other airline will take them or are inexperienced as TRSS once was when he joined said outfit.
Eventualy he evolved into mol's servant but that's another sad story.
I wonder why that may be as it is such a fantastic place to be in?
It seems to me that pilots join aforementioned company as a last resort only i.e. when either no other airline will take them or are inexperienced as TRSS once was when he joined said outfit.
Eventualy he evolved into mol's servant but that's another sad story.
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Officeboy,
To correct your incorrect judgement. The demoted captains are going onto FO's payscale for the same year of service. i.e. 5 year Captain gets demoted and goes onto year 5 FO payscale. So you are wrong.
Slim, you rant about BALPA doing nothing for anybody. Well, the company have told people they are being made redundant. So BALPA negotiated a deal for those individuals with Qatar and FlyDubai, so they go there for a specified time period (I think 2 years) and then come back to Thomson at the same position they left from. So your stupid comment is void. That is a good deal in my book.
I don't think the sun shines out of BALPA's arse by a long way, but give credit where it is due.
To correct your incorrect judgement. The demoted captains are going onto FO's payscale for the same year of service. i.e. 5 year Captain gets demoted and goes onto year 5 FO payscale. So you are wrong.
Slim, you rant about BALPA doing nothing for anybody. Well, the company have told people they are being made redundant. So BALPA negotiated a deal for those individuals with Qatar and FlyDubai, so they go there for a specified time period (I think 2 years) and then come back to Thomson at the same position they left from. So your stupid comment is void. That is a good deal in my book.
I don't think the sun shines out of BALPA's arse by a long way, but give credit where it is due.
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To correct your incorrect judgement. The demoted captains are going onto FO's payscale for the same year of service. i.e. 5 year Captain gets demoted and goes onto year 5 FO payscale. So you are wrong.
So, BALPA have made sure that the captains stay as captains but will ALL be RHS trained. Hence, the company will now be paying around 117 people to fly as FOs on captain pay.
I didn't mention the demoted guys' pay anywhere I don't think. Let's not cherry pick and twist each others words eh?
So you are wrong.
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Not many heading for mol's ruinair then, are there?
I wonder why that may be as it is such a fantastic place to be in?
It seems to me that pilots join aforementioned company as a last resort only i.e. when either no other airline will take them or are inexperienced as TRSS once was when he joined said outfit.
Eventualy he evolved into mol's servant but that's another sad story.
I wonder why that may be as it is such a fantastic place to be in?
It seems to me that pilots join aforementioned company as a last resort only i.e. when either no other airline will take them or are inexperienced as TRSS once was when he joined said outfit.
Eventualy he evolved into mol's servant but that's another sad story.
Just mind the door doesn't hit you on the ass on the way out
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No you are wrong Officeboy. In an official statement released by the company CC it states clearly that "all demoted Captains are going to be paid on the FO payscale, in line with their length of service." Yes you may not believe it but it's true.
You are correct in assuming that the majority of redundancies are FO's, but that's what you get with LIFO and seniority lists. And the cost saving you talk about is achieved with this paycut for the guys being demoted. Not amazing but it's what's happened.
And furthermore, if these guys take career breaks or go to Qatar or FlyDubai, they still have their jobs back after a specified time period, at the same point on the Seniority list. I think a fairly good deal to be honest, considering the circumstances.
You are correct in assuming that the majority of redundancies are FO's, but that's what you get with LIFO and seniority lists. And the cost saving you talk about is achieved with this paycut for the guys being demoted. Not amazing but it's what's happened.
And furthermore, if these guys take career breaks or go to Qatar or FlyDubai, they still have their jobs back after a specified time period, at the same point on the Seniority list. I think a fairly good deal to be honest, considering the circumstances.
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Are you even reading what I have said?
I'll try again
I was referring to guys who are staying as captains but being RHS trained. So you are telling me they will be being paid FO pay when they are operating RHS? I don't think so somehow.
I am taking about the occasions when you have two captains flying together, i.e. one in the RHS. This will happen more often now, hence why all captains will be RHS trained. So, they obviously think they will be short of FOs but heavy on captains, yes? So, to carry the extra cost of being heavy on captains it is fair to assume they have increased the number of redundancies up to 137 which means more FOs being made redundant!!!
Anyway, this is a thread about easy screwing FOs and I gave my opinion about how useless BALPA are at addressing such practises...there is not point you defending BALPA at TOM any further as you're not even arguing about what I am talking about!!
Oxford and Easyjet are now offering an "Airline Opportunity". You guessed it, circa £30K buys you a TR and line training and the promise of summer operations as an FO....!
Having read this thread the most worrying phrase in the offer is the promise of "alternative winter operations"....should one read this as CC work?
If one turned down the CC work in favour of spending the winter as a pilot (FI on SEP), would that be punished with no new FO contract come the next summer season? Or is the offer of CC work given to try and help FOs maintain an income (if they don't have another means of gainful employment)?
Begs the question, do they actually need more TR'd FOs? and if not why are they doing it?
Having read this thread the most worrying phrase in the offer is the promise of "alternative winter operations"....should one read this as CC work?
If one turned down the CC work in favour of spending the winter as a pilot (FI on SEP), would that be punished with no new FO contract come the next summer season? Or is the offer of CC work given to try and help FOs maintain an income (if they don't have another means of gainful employment)?
Begs the question, do they actually need more TR'd FOs? and if not why are they doing it?
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United we stand. Divided we fall.
As an EZY SCCM I feel for all Pilots at EZY at present. I have worked long enough to build some friendships with long standing F/D (Captains and Fo's) and to see the worth of the the new cadets as well.
However young and inexperienced these FO's may have appeared when I first meet them at the briefing it doesn't take me long to realise (usually by the end of first sector) they could do a normal landing if the Cpt was incapacitated. That is what we need from them isn't it?
EZY management however have no idea re anything else and probably haven't even thourght about the above anyway. They think about cost, end of, and linked to that is their bonus.
I have just posted on the CC forum (new EZY CC). You guys might want to be aware that by some (not me) you might now be percieved as "favoured".
It's time we all united and stood up to the Brady Bunch as Andy can't manage it and doesn't care anyway as he has made his money and is now leaving.
I don't believe in strikes purely as it affects our pax who are innocent bystanders. As CC it is easy for us to work to rule. We can sit down for the whole flight and do nothing but safety related duties. That would screw EZY's profit on ancillary revenue really quickly.
I don't know what you guys can do to work to rule from a safety perspective but I would be willing to bet that if you worked to MEL's/Commander discretion EZY management would soon wake up to the smell of coffee. The delay's would mount up I'm sure.
Don't let them screw you Guys. Balpa and Unite should work together. Just as the Pilots and CC work together on board. The F/D door is no barrier to us talking.... Thank God!!!
At the moment EZY are in the hands of the Brady Bunch!! We are at present beating FR on screwing everyone because management have just breached our integrity values. At least FR are up front re the fact they don't do integrity!!!
However young and inexperienced these FO's may have appeared when I first meet them at the briefing it doesn't take me long to realise (usually by the end of first sector) they could do a normal landing if the Cpt was incapacitated. That is what we need from them isn't it?
EZY management however have no idea re anything else and probably haven't even thourght about the above anyway. They think about cost, end of, and linked to that is their bonus.
I have just posted on the CC forum (new EZY CC). You guys might want to be aware that by some (not me) you might now be percieved as "favoured".
It's time we all united and stood up to the Brady Bunch as Andy can't manage it and doesn't care anyway as he has made his money and is now leaving.
I don't believe in strikes purely as it affects our pax who are innocent bystanders. As CC it is easy for us to work to rule. We can sit down for the whole flight and do nothing but safety related duties. That would screw EZY's profit on ancillary revenue really quickly.
I don't know what you guys can do to work to rule from a safety perspective but I would be willing to bet that if you worked to MEL's/Commander discretion EZY management would soon wake up to the smell of coffee. The delay's would mount up I'm sure.
Don't let them screw you Guys. Balpa and Unite should work together. Just as the Pilots and CC work together on board. The F/D door is no barrier to us talking.... Thank God!!!
At the moment EZY are in the hands of the Brady Bunch!! We are at present beating FR on screwing everyone because management have just breached our integrity values. At least FR are up front re the fact they don't do integrity!!!
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However young and inexperienced these FO's may have appeared when I first meet them at the briefing it doesn't take me long to realise (usually by the end of first sector) they could do a normal landing if the Cpt was incapacitated. That is what we need from them isn't it?
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As long as we hope to resolve this through a civilized discussion with the companies, we will all be down to slavery within the next 2 or 3 years.
What easy and a lot of other companies (have a look at whats going on in Sweden at the moment) are doing must be considered illegal despite their actions falling within legislation.
The UKCAA must surely have something to say about how this is affecting aviation safety? Or are they just as toothless as the Swedish CAA? It amazes me to see that regulating authoroties seem to lack the most basic knowledge about organisational flight safety. If the CAA's cant regulate the industry, then it is all up to us up front to do it. We all have a responsibility to protect our trade. The slavery part isn't about lifestyle, it's about very fundamental safety factors. If we don't understand this we have no hope in reaching workable conditions in the future.
Remember that power only survives where it is met with obedience. French farmers know this, we could all learn a bit from them.
/LnS
What easy and a lot of other companies (have a look at whats going on in Sweden at the moment) are doing must be considered illegal despite their actions falling within legislation.
The UKCAA must surely have something to say about how this is affecting aviation safety? Or are they just as toothless as the Swedish CAA? It amazes me to see that regulating authoroties seem to lack the most basic knowledge about organisational flight safety. If the CAA's cant regulate the industry, then it is all up to us up front to do it. We all have a responsibility to protect our trade. The slavery part isn't about lifestyle, it's about very fundamental safety factors. If we don't understand this we have no hope in reaching workable conditions in the future.
Remember that power only survives where it is met with obedience. French farmers know this, we could all learn a bit from them.
/LnS
Why would the CAA care?
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Rock on Tommy I agree its not just the aviation industry its the UK and europe alike!
We aren't living we are surviving!! With the government taxing the hell out of everything how can one enjoy life with out working till he/her is 6 foot under?
We aren't living we are surviving!! With the government taxing the hell out of everything how can one enjoy life with out working till he/her is 6 foot under?
