easyJet Pilots Offered Work as Cabin Crew in January
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easyJet Pilots Offered Work as Cabin Crew in January
EasyJet have arranged for CTC to offer some of their flexicrew pilots jobs as cabin crew in January prior to starting again as pilots in February. These are pilots who were originally part of the ATP scheme (self-sponsored pay to fly scheme from 18 months ago). They then worked a further summer with easyJet earlier this year before being kicked out along with the rest of the low-houred pilots from CTC. They will get a couple of weeks training starting next week and then work in January out of Gatwick with HOTAC provided. Money is flat rate £130/rostered day plus payment for 11 days training.
Perhaps it would have been easier to not sack so many real cabin crew on temporary contracts rather than resort to this.
Perhaps it would have been easier to not sack so many real cabin crew on temporary contracts rather than resort to this.
If this is true it is pathetic. Any further words fail me. 
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From: Hampshire physically; Perthshire and Pembrokeshire mentally.
No they didn't. They set the precedent in 1974/75 when a whole crop of Hamble graduates didn't get positions due to problems caused by the oil crisis of that decade. BA subsequently didn't recruit any pilots for over 10 years.
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From: Island of Aphrodite
BA Flight Crew working as Cabin Crew
It was not just BA cadets being offered jobs as CC. Employed Flight Crew who were stood down were compelled to apply for CC positions and go through the whole selection process. I know of at least one who proudly mounted in his downstairs loo, the rejection letter he had received from CC management!!
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ha ha ha...Britannia did exactly the same in 1991, I was not sure whether to be pleased or disappointed at being rejected by the Cabin Crew recruitment team. I obviously lacked the qualities required to be part time summer cabin crew!!
Didn't stop them making me a TRE though when I finally did join the company! I'm sure there's a moral to this story but I can't quite see it.
Didn't stop them making me a TRE though when I finally did join the company! I'm sure there's a moral to this story but I can't quite see it.
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flybe did this over the summer. The cadets that graduated from the training schools couldn't be offered a pilot position as there weren't any. So, the company offered them work as cabin crew. I think they were cabin crew for all of about 4-5 months before being allocated type rating courses.
I think this is a good thing to do. Work of any form is hard to come by at the moment as we all know so if the company can't offer pilot positions then enabling these people to at least be able to earn a wage is bordering on showing some loyalty!
I think this is a good thing to do. Work of any form is hard to come by at the moment as we all know so if the company can't offer pilot positions then enabling these people to at least be able to earn a wage is bordering on showing some loyalty!
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What was her name ? "abusing the sky" or suchlike, Hmnn, fickle creatures 
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she seems to have lost interest in "pilot matters" lately mind you . . . wonder why
No excuse to belittle CC though, plenty more available Slim old chap
,she seems to have lost interest in "pilot matters" lately mind you . . . wonder why
No excuse to belittle CC though, plenty more available Slim old chap
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From: Dre's mum's house
Capt P..wouldn't dare belittle cabin crew. Au contraire, I was belittling Ali Balpa and the 40 thieves who steal peoples' money but deliver zero support.
easy FOs to be cabin crew: whatever will the 40 Thieves sanction next? Thomson FOs as cleaners? Redundant baby FOs as general dogsbodies?
Ask not what your union can do for, ask WTF they are spending your subs on whilst Rome burns!
easy FOs to be cabin crew: whatever will the 40 Thieves sanction next? Thomson FOs as cleaners? Redundant baby FOs as general dogsbodies?
Ask not what your union can do for, ask WTF they are spending your subs on whilst Rome burns!
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From: 'An Airfield Somewhere in England'
The key thing about this latest offer from the Orange House of Horrors is that it is not being given to untrained pilots - it is being given to type-rated Airbus pilots who have spent the summer working for easyJet and are about to spend another summer doing so. The more I listen to Slim, and his more intelligent and eloquent fellow traveller Leo, the more convinced I am about the need for a union. I cannot really work out if these are decent guys with genuinely held views against all the evidence (that is known as a delusion incidentally), or management plants, a la Dr Goebbels, who just loving trot out their master's views however alarming they may be. In either case they are manifestly wrong in just about any piece of logic they apply to anti-union rhetoric. Good reading nonetheless.
This is merely one of countless abuses of pilots at easyJet, and the only restraining factor on even greater excess is the presence of BALPA. There is no doubt that due to the strength of BALPA 'in situ', the company has decided to go for an attack on the weak underbelly of the pilot community - the newbies. These are people who in employment terms are in 'no man's land' as they never really belong to easyJet as direct employees. They are instead enslaved to the increasingly-immoral CTC under easyJet's Brookfield equivalent, the 'flexi-crew' system. In practice that means coming into aviation with massive debt, being used and abused by the pond life at CTC for pennies who gladly leave them with even greater debt, and then being replaced by even cheaper young lads and lasses a couple of years later. They have no rights and no real future -they are merely the canon fodder of the aviation industry who are being used to pay for the obscene bonuses that are so prevalent in our company. I accept that right now BALPA is not able to give the protection to these people that they would like, but the matter is in hand. CTC have increasingly become complicit in the flagrant and outrageous abuse of young pilots and are increasingly under the spotlight for their totally unacceptable participation in shameful employment schemes. How the managers at CTC sleep in their beds at night is frankly beyond me, given the deals they are negotiating right now 'on behalf of' their own people in an effort to circumvent the involvement of BALPA. BALPA are fighting battles on about 6 fronts at the moment, and given the ferocity of attack they are facing are doing well. Slowly but surely we will win against CTC, however far from reality that aspiration may be today.
I have no real desire to try and persuade the Slims and Leos of this world about the merits of BALPA - that would be like trying to train hyenas to become vegetarians. I do, however, desire to persuade every single pilot at easyJet that the only real hope for our company is a vibrant BALPA fighting on behalf of the pilots against ruthless management. In the next few days, what is being negotiated by CTC with easyJet to overtly abuse their own pilots will come into the public domain. Any of you who thought that slavery was a thing of the past will think again.
This is merely one of countless abuses of pilots at easyJet, and the only restraining factor on even greater excess is the presence of BALPA. There is no doubt that due to the strength of BALPA 'in situ', the company has decided to go for an attack on the weak underbelly of the pilot community - the newbies. These are people who in employment terms are in 'no man's land' as they never really belong to easyJet as direct employees. They are instead enslaved to the increasingly-immoral CTC under easyJet's Brookfield equivalent, the 'flexi-crew' system. In practice that means coming into aviation with massive debt, being used and abused by the pond life at CTC for pennies who gladly leave them with even greater debt, and then being replaced by even cheaper young lads and lasses a couple of years later. They have no rights and no real future -they are merely the canon fodder of the aviation industry who are being used to pay for the obscene bonuses that are so prevalent in our company. I accept that right now BALPA is not able to give the protection to these people that they would like, but the matter is in hand. CTC have increasingly become complicit in the flagrant and outrageous abuse of young pilots and are increasingly under the spotlight for their totally unacceptable participation in shameful employment schemes. How the managers at CTC sleep in their beds at night is frankly beyond me, given the deals they are negotiating right now 'on behalf of' their own people in an effort to circumvent the involvement of BALPA. BALPA are fighting battles on about 6 fronts at the moment, and given the ferocity of attack they are facing are doing well. Slowly but surely we will win against CTC, however far from reality that aspiration may be today.
I have no real desire to try and persuade the Slims and Leos of this world about the merits of BALPA - that would be like trying to train hyenas to become vegetarians. I do, however, desire to persuade every single pilot at easyJet that the only real hope for our company is a vibrant BALPA fighting on behalf of the pilots against ruthless management. In the next few days, what is being negotiated by CTC with easyJet to overtly abuse their own pilots will come into the public domain. Any of you who thought that slavery was a thing of the past will think again.
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NSF - you may not be able to get a Slim Shady to change his spots, but have a look at what colour his true spots are...
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So the guys could be sat at home earning nothing.
Or they could be earning £130 a day (which I may add is more than some TP FO's I know) and getting HOTAC in Gatwick with a load of other FO's in a similar situation. In the knowledge that come the summer season they will be back in the RHS. Apart from loosing there medicals with a nasty dose of an STD I can't see where they can go wrong.
I really can't see a problem with this at all. In fact it seems a remarkably sensible solution for any airline management to come up with. If they take the piss though and keep them current and use them in dual roles as FC and CC and pay them depending which job they are doing
The pay to fly schemes I agree 100% with the comments made. Its a cancer in this industry.
Or they could be earning £130 a day (which I may add is more than some TP FO's I know) and getting HOTAC in Gatwick with a load of other FO's in a similar situation. In the knowledge that come the summer season they will be back in the RHS. Apart from loosing there medicals with a nasty dose of an STD I can't see where they can go wrong.
I really can't see a problem with this at all. In fact it seems a remarkably sensible solution for any airline management to come up with. If they take the piss though and keep them current and use them in dual roles as FC and CC and pay them depending which job they are doing
The pay to fly schemes I agree 100% with the comments made. Its a cancer in this industry.