Recognition Roulette
Joined: Oct 2001
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From: UK
By the way, what happened next?
With the fantastic help of two other very talented fellow aviators and the help of the others, we achieved 97% of what we thought was possible to get from the management.
Not a bad result!
With the fantastic help of two other very talented fellow aviators and the help of the others, we achieved 97% of what we thought was possible to get from the management.
Not a bad result!
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: FUBAR
Leo,
Did you really say " I, too, would like to see a few things changed at Ryanair and believe they could be with relative ease" ? ? ?
Christ man, we are getting somewhere here.
Tell you what, if you can persuade them in the White House that there ARE things that are long overdue for change, and they took sensible action to address these concerns, I reckon this whole silly mess could be taken care of.
The problem is, you have (albeit very momentarily ) seen (a little of) the light, will they ?
In an ideal world (for everyone, ultimately, even if both sides would be loathe to acknowledge it ) a sensible middle ground would (as in most relationships
) go a long way in finding a means of relatively harmonious co-existence.
Ah well, it cost nothing to dream Eh ? A hump ? not tonight by the look of things
or I wouldn't 
be here at this hour.
Did you really say " I, too, would like to see a few things changed at Ryanair and believe they could be with relative ease" ? ? ?
Christ man, we are getting somewhere here.
Tell you what, if you can persuade them in the White House that there ARE things that are long overdue for change, and they took sensible action to address these concerns, I reckon this whole silly mess could be taken care of.
The problem is, you have (albeit very momentarily ) seen (a little of) the light, will they ?
In an ideal world (for everyone, ultimately, even if both sides would be loathe to acknowledge it ) a sensible middle ground would (as in most relationships
) go a long way in finding a means of relatively harmonious co-existence.Ah well, it cost nothing to dream Eh ? A hump ? not tonight by the look of things
or I wouldn't be here at this hour.
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From: Dre's mum's house
So, could some BALPA person tell me, and my colleagues, precisely what the benefit of recognition would be?
Would the same person expound on the wider benefits?
Cards, table. Spell it out boys and girls :-)
Would the same person expound on the wider benefits?
Cards, table. Spell it out boys and girls :-)
Joined: May 2004
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From: Los Angeles
I echo the comments of slim shady.
Well done boys n girls, your timing is impeckable going for union recognition in the middle of an economic crisis, job losses, bankruptcy etc. Im sure that those at BALPA wont be talking un-paid leave in the winter months, while those that do are expected to pay their membership each month in full.
Im sure many personal stories will transpire over the next few weeks following the OTT sledge hammer reaction by the company to UK pilots. Mine is one were a promotion/move was promised last week and withdrawn immediately on the 16th. This is going to have serious implications for both my working/personal life/ plans. This freeze maybe short lived until they get desperate/suits them. Who knows, this is not the first time.
You can count on my vote and thats with my feet. Those that want the union, lets hope it lives up to expectations.
And........as other posters have highlighted and those that know how the RYR network is structured, the words "uk freeze" means that expansion is by flying aircraft and crews based in mainland Europe in and out of the UK to open routes. How are BALPA going to counteract that???
Well done boys n girls, your timing is impeckable going for union recognition in the middle of an economic crisis, job losses, bankruptcy etc. Im sure that those at BALPA wont be talking un-paid leave in the winter months, while those that do are expected to pay their membership each month in full.
Im sure many personal stories will transpire over the next few weeks following the OTT sledge hammer reaction by the company to UK pilots. Mine is one were a promotion/move was promised last week and withdrawn immediately on the 16th. This is going to have serious implications for both my working/personal life/ plans. This freeze maybe short lived until they get desperate/suits them. Who knows, this is not the first time.
You can count on my vote and thats with my feet. Those that want the union, lets hope it lives up to expectations.
And........as other posters have highlighted and those that know how the RYR network is structured, the words "uk freeze" means that expansion is by flying aircraft and crews based in mainland Europe in and out of the UK to open routes. How are BALPA going to counteract that???
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From: monaco
LAX,
as I already wrote in previous posts I truly believe that one should be able to stretch his view beyond the very moment we live in, you should think in perspective and try and imagine the company and your lifestyle in a couple fo years from now.
You are now worried about the move the company just announced against its UK based pilots but what you should really be longing for is not that you wish the pilots hadn't caused this but that the company will stop these kind of childish and short sighted tactics and started adult and mature relations with its workforce.
The company has posted 105 million euros net prifit my friend, and that was with the barrel at almost 150$.
I am very willing to donate 1 or 2 days worth of salary to any pilot who looses his job or gets treated unfairly by the company in this absurd dispute.
If more colleagues will join me in this we could have BALPA set up an account to collect the money in order to protect RYR pilots until this dispute is over and the company realizes that we are not only united but also constructive and determined in making our airline a better place to work and plan our future.
as I already wrote in previous posts I truly believe that one should be able to stretch his view beyond the very moment we live in, you should think in perspective and try and imagine the company and your lifestyle in a couple fo years from now.
You are now worried about the move the company just announced against its UK based pilots but what you should really be longing for is not that you wish the pilots hadn't caused this but that the company will stop these kind of childish and short sighted tactics and started adult and mature relations with its workforce.
Well done boys n girls, your timing is impeckable going for union recognition in the middle of an economic crisis, job losses, bankruptcy etc. Im sure that those at BALPA wont be talking un-paid leave in the winter months, while those that do are expected to pay their membership each month in full.
I am very willing to donate 1 or 2 days worth of salary to any pilot who looses his job or gets treated unfairly by the company in this absurd dispute.
If more colleagues will join me in this we could have BALPA set up an account to collect the money in order to protect RYR pilots until this dispute is over and the company realizes that we are not only united but also constructive and determined in making our airline a better place to work and plan our future.
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From: manchester
LAX
Could you please remind yourself of what the acronym BALPA stands for. I am not a pilot but follow this with interest. You may be a pilot but British? From LA? As it appears at first glance that you are not currently employed this side of the pond could you please keep out of matters relating to industrial relations on this side. I note the progress that has been made in good ol' USA in this respect eg when Wal-Mart employees voted for union recognition in one store the company shut that (profitable) store down. That was after they had destroyed the businesses they had supplanted in that small community.
We do not want to become the 51st state which would bring us little benefit but LOTS to worry about. It appears to me that MOL is only carrying out the US business practices that have led to the lowest T & Cs in the western world for employees.
We do not want to become the 51st state which would bring us little benefit but LOTS to worry about. It appears to me that MOL is only carrying out the US business practices that have led to the lowest T & Cs in the western world for employees.
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: UK
Al446,
I think you'll find that LAX is not from LA, anymore than he is 97 years old ! (as stated on his profile) Current 737 NG driver for RYR I expect. Can't say I blame people (especially those who work for RYR) for not putting their real location (or age) in their profile ......
And DFC, you're really not listening are you ? (or don't want to !)
The Captain concerned was dismissed on flight safety grounds (as others on here have also confirmed, on the basis that his discussion with the cabin crew impacted their ability to carry out their duties. This has been clearly stated in the company's memo. They are just trying to shore up their case for the subsequent legal proceedings that will certainly ensue.
I think you'll find that LAX is not from LA, anymore than he is 97 years old ! (as stated on his profile) Current 737 NG driver for RYR I expect. Can't say I blame people (especially those who work for RYR) for not putting their real location (or age) in their profile ......
And DFC, you're really not listening are you ? (or don't want to !)
The Captain concerned was dismissed on flight safety grounds (as others on here have also confirmed, on the basis that his discussion with the cabin crew impacted their ability to carry out their duties. This has been clearly stated in the company's memo. They are just trying to shore up their case for the subsequent legal proceedings that will certainly ensue.
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Manchester
Face facts, union or no union your T and C's will get worse in the future, the FR business model is screwed either way in this current climate, MOL sees this and cant get rid of his stock quick enough for many reasons inc: sharp decline in passenger traffic throughout europe, used aircraft trading market for 737's in decline, high oil prices, weak pound/euro affecting uk travelling pax and so on...is there any area left in FR to cut costs even more, apart from pay and conditions..NO
