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Birmingham nightstop
is pretty much minimum rest though, as are most, if not all of them.
The working pattern will ALWAYS have you starting early on your first day and finishing late on your last, so forget commuting, the flights will have left.
Efforts to change that with the rostering department will prove completely futile, they will tell you what you want to hear, and serve up the same dish, and that culture permiates the company like the logo on Brighton rock.
The working pattern will ALWAYS have you starting early on your first day and finishing late on your last, so forget commuting, the flights will have left.
Efforts to change that with the rostering department will prove completely futile, they will tell you what you want to hear, and serve up the same dish, and that culture permiates the company like the logo on Brighton rock.
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yep, we are away alot. If LCY based we do up to 6 nights away tours. Not good really especially with young family/want to be at home for nights.
I have had 13 nights away some rosters.
Ask to see a sample roster at interview and make your decision that way, don't take their word for it!!
I have had 13 nights away some rosters.
Ask to see a sample roster at interview and make your decision that way, don't take their word for it!!
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Very true Brownstone,
the current pilot recruitment smacks of very thinly disguised desperation,the company has acquired a very bad name amongst the flight deck community,and for good reason.Management are spending their time on "feel good" experiments,like the childish tv station Voracity,and the equally ridiculous,ticker tape, kiss me quickly,"Synchronicity"(dont ask!),like peeing down your leg,nice warm feeling,but not very useful.Oh and I forgot to mention,Christen the kitchen!,,mmm,what about bums on seats,and trying to accomodate or compromise with your staff?
Poor organisation,with a lot of fools at the top,I hear Geneva is next for the chop?.
cioa za.
the current pilot recruitment smacks of very thinly disguised desperation,the company has acquired a very bad name amongst the flight deck community,and for good reason.Management are spending their time on "feel good" experiments,like the childish tv station Voracity,and the equally ridiculous,ticker tape, kiss me quickly,"Synchronicity"(dont ask!),like peeing down your leg,nice warm feeling,but not very useful.Oh and I forgot to mention,Christen the kitchen!,,mmm,what about bums on seats,and trying to accomodate or compromise with your staff?
Poor organisation,with a lot of fools at the top,I hear Geneva is next for the chop?.
cioa za.
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jetfella,as always u hit the nail on the head!from what i hear voracity is a toy for certain members of management.like you have said there are plenty of fools at the top of the management tree who must have attended the Basil Fawlty school of management at some stage in their illustrious careers and passed with "flying" colours.
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No,not a base,tipped to be dropped from the LCY schedule,folllowing in the footsteps of Madrid,Milan,and Belfast city.Airfrance were tolerant with WX in the good times,but belts are being tightened everyhwere,and Paris is increasingly frustrated with WX,"the emperor has no clothes"!
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Isn't it kind of normal to drop routes which aren't that great and use those a/c's for the moneymakers?
By the way, seemed that WX already visited AMS to investigate i.e. hotel options.. Winter roster: LCY-AMS, DUB-AMS (AerLingus' contract finishes..)?
By the way, seemed that WX already visited AMS to investigate i.e. hotel options.. Winter roster: LCY-AMS, DUB-AMS (AerLingus' contract finishes..)?
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I seriously doubt wx have the crews to cover the DUB-AMS LCY-AMS rotation.crew been called on days off to cover flights is increasing..they just dont have the numbers.in saying that DUB-AMS would be a great alternative to the Aer Lingus set up.
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Thats right,this AMS scenario has been mooted for at least the last three years,also this triangular sector set-up.A very excitable management figure told me about it 15 months ago.The crews are not available,nor the aircraft.The dumping of unprofitable routes ex LCY does not free up aircraft for other routes,things are tight.The scot aircraft cant do it.
Also,I believe Aer Lingus are in negotiations to develop the route ex Dub when the KLM contract ends.Competition is fierce right now,WX are lost,drifting,incapable of action.BA wont be sitting round either,look at their new Dub route,the loads are good by all accounts,and when they start Paris -lcy.....someone is playing the fiddle while rome burns...
ciao za
Also,I believe Aer Lingus are in negotiations to develop the route ex Dub when the KLM contract ends.Competition is fierce right now,WX are lost,drifting,incapable of action.BA wont be sitting round either,look at their new Dub route,the loads are good by all accounts,and when they start Paris -lcy.....someone is playing the fiddle while rome burns...
ciao za
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If Aer Lingus can offer KLM connecting pax at the same price cityjet would charge, don't think there's much chance of cityjet getting a deal. The pax will always prefer a new A320 to a smelly old 146. Considering the A320 burns about half the fuel per pax/mile than a 146, somethings gotta give somewhere.
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WX have the smelly new RJ's now.The146's are somebody else's problems now,but from what i have heard the RJ's are just as tempremental as the 146's.Great British engineering old chum!
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yes,another one tech in paris today,currently 5 hours late!,wonderful machines!,its a bonus if the apu is operational,Ive travelled on a few and its usually stifling hot.On a recent european flight with the temperature at 30 deg c,the captain waited till everyone was on,sweating profusely,doors closed before saying,"Unfortuantely we have a slot 50 minutes from now,and I realise your all very hot back there,so Im going to start the apu and cool you down".I couldnt believe my ears,and nor could the hefty ticket buyers.Mind you the little bag of prezels really made up for it!
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hehe.well 4 of them are hair dryers!.apparently they got these cheap!,now we know why,also the autopilots usually dont work,so even if they needed it,they couldnt do cat111 for that and a variety of other tech issues.
Anyway,Ive just heard some ominuous news for WX(from a usually spot on source),watch the next 2 weeks.I sincerely hope the management fools are sacrificed this time,and not the hard working Crew.I suspect this is a turning point though,and yes its wrapped up with poor reliability,and this lemon of an aircraft,and incompetence,and everyone leaving,,,etc etc.
ciao za.
Anyway,Ive just heard some ominuous news for WX(from a usually spot on source),watch the next 2 weeks.I sincerely hope the management fools are sacrificed this time,and not the hard working Crew.I suspect this is a turning point though,and yes its wrapped up with poor reliability,and this lemon of an aircraft,and incompetence,and everyone leaving,,,etc etc.
ciao za.
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Been flying the RJ since cityjet got them and not once has the autopilot been inop. So don't know where you're getting your facts from jetfella. Me thinks you're not even a pilot. So what's the news you have? prob more hearsay/rumours that the airline industry likes to throw out all the time.
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I flew those aircraft since they were new. Never had any major reliability problems with them. Flew the same ones at CityJet as well, again with no major reliability problems. With over 7000 hours on those exact aircraft I don't think the autopilot was inop more than a few days for any operations I was involved in. Go figure.
Best of luck to all of you at WX.
Best of luck to all of you at WX.
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Well said ace.
I have never flown the RJ as I moved on long before they arrived. I do have about 5000hrs on the 146 though and even that had the AP U/S only about 1% of the time. I've since flown B757, B747 and A320. All have the same snags except the Airbus.
The reports on the RJ are very good so I do not know where this info is coming from.
Sounds like WX bashing to me. Get a life and move on folks.
Tom
PS going for a spin in the RJ sim in a couple of weeks and I'll report back.
I have never flown the RJ as I moved on long before they arrived. I do have about 5000hrs on the 146 though and even that had the AP U/S only about 1% of the time. I've since flown B757, B747 and A320. All have the same snags except the Airbus.
The reports on the RJ are very good so I do not know where this info is coming from.
Sounds like WX bashing to me. Get a life and move on folks.
Tom
PS going for a spin in the RJ sim in a couple of weeks and I'll report back.
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Sorry 5Papa i think jetfella speaks alot of truth.the truth hurts sometimes.Sadly wx is not the best place to be at the moment. Im sure every airline has its up's&downs,but the truth is things are been mis-managed on a daily basis & good hard working people are getting the flak for it.