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HI all,
i've been reading this post with intrest as I am currently trying to decide whether to apply or not.
Is it fair to say that there are some issues but that the company are trying to resolve them ?
I would be a direct entry command hopefully ! coming from a turbo prop.
Are there really that many overnights ? and issues with leave ?
Also heard they might be switching to the Q 400 ?
Do you get paid a salay during training ?
Do you receive your expenses during line training ?
I know a lot of people have answered a few of these querys but I'm just trying to build a picture of the company before I commit to them.
Leave could be an issue for me as I have to try and co ordinate with my girlfriend her leave requirements, are they flexible in trying to accomadate this ?
i've been reading this post with intrest as I am currently trying to decide whether to apply or not.
Is it fair to say that there are some issues but that the company are trying to resolve them ?
I would be a direct entry command hopefully ! coming from a turbo prop.
Are there really that many overnights ? and issues with leave ?
Also heard they might be switching to the Q 400 ?
Do you get paid a salay during training ?
Do you receive your expenses during line training ?
I know a lot of people have answered a few of these querys but I'm just trying to build a picture of the company before I commit to them.
Leave could be an issue for me as I have to try and co ordinate with my girlfriend her leave requirements, are they flexible in trying to accomadate this ?
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Hi,
they do pay during training,normal expenses too I believe.no Q400,sticking with RJ.Lots of days away,as they are badly shortstaffed,constant roster changes from a poor crewing office.Leave?,you must be kidding!
There are issues that the company are dealing with,but thats always been the case,some very good people there,but its a very unpleasant place to work.
London city is a disaster financially,Madrid scrapped,Milan dumped,and few bums on seats ZRH,GVA,with stiff competition from Cityflyer and Swiss.They picked the wrong time to expand,wrong airport,and youd have to wonder whos making the commercial decisions.
Could be a great airline!!,,pity about the management...
they do pay during training,normal expenses too I believe.no Q400,sticking with RJ.Lots of days away,as they are badly shortstaffed,constant roster changes from a poor crewing office.Leave?,you must be kidding!
There are issues that the company are dealing with,but thats always been the case,some very good people there,but its a very unpleasant place to work.
London city is a disaster financially,Madrid scrapped,Milan dumped,and few bums on seats ZRH,GVA,with stiff competition from Cityflyer and Swiss.They picked the wrong time to expand,wrong airport,and youd have to wonder whos making the commercial decisions.
Could be a great airline!!,,pity about the management...
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I cant beleive I actually ear about Air France on this thread. CityJet is an IRISH AIRLINE ! You will ear it so many times if you join in. You cant forget about it ! They should be so proud to be owned by Air France... Pride, pride...
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are you havin a laff? proud?,in london,air france want to disown cityjet!,ask how many flights have been cancelled ex Lcy,not a proud record for a company with a greatly confused brand,air france for city jet,cityjet for airfrance for scot airways for... blah blah blah,not want you want to EAR!,
watch the scramble as extra flights are put on zrh gva to try and pull pax,in the summer!!!,,the pockets are not that deep,,,proud my arse!
watch the scramble as extra flights are put on zrh gva to try and pull pax,in the summer!!!,,the pockets are not that deep,,,proud my arse!
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In fact you are right; pride has nothing to do with it. CityJet simply would not have existed anymore if it wasn't for Air France. They are flying on Air France slots on pretty much every route they operate so as soon as Air France pulls out WX is non-existant. They wouldn't have anywhere to fly and, , I doubt anybody could even find them because the brandname CityJet is completely unknown to most people. (90% of their passengers buy tickets for an AIR FRANCE flight.)
It is quite clear that AF is trying to move CityJet out of Paris, most likely because of pressure from BritAir and Regional. At least Air France is giving them a chance to stay in business as the AF-provider out of the UK and Dublin. To be courteous to its neighbour, British Airways, Air France has decided to not start an Air France-base in London and call it CityJet for AF. Makes perfect sense to me...
That it might not be a commercially viable option is a different matter. but they could have just pull the plug .
It is quite clear that AF is trying to move CityJet out of Paris, most likely because of pressure from BritAir and Regional. At least Air France is giving them a chance to stay in business as the AF-provider out of the UK and Dublin. To be courteous to its neighbour, British Airways, Air France has decided to not start an Air France-base in London and call it CityJet for AF. Makes perfect sense to me...
That it might not be a commercially viable option is a different matter. but they could have just pull the plug .
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I think Cityjet are moving from paris due to the French Labour laws mainly.There is huge unrest amongst the crews because of this,its caused major upheaval for lots of staff,cc and flight deck.The london City project is purely a cityjet creation,their first experiment if you like, of operating independent of AF.However theyve borrowed in excess of 180 million euro from Paris to expand out of LCY.So its a gamble.Its patently not paying off!
The despatch rate is shocking since the start,and as I mentioned in an earlier post,very poor uptake on GVA ZRH.Theyre trying to address this now with some hairbrained new schedule dooomed to failure.
VLM takeover?doubt it now.What amazes me is that in the current climate,or even historically,how come there is no commercial savvy?.Is it a case of a wall full of degrees and no real substance?
Whers is the brash young man or woman in Swords who can see the wood from the trees and make it work?.they need someone badly with vision.IMHO,there problem stems from the fact of being under AF wing for so long,very comfy,lots of backup.Now,they have their own baby,and they didnt do prenatal!
LCY is a very collicky babay!!
The despatch rate is shocking since the start,and as I mentioned in an earlier post,very poor uptake on GVA ZRH.Theyre trying to address this now with some hairbrained new schedule dooomed to failure.
VLM takeover?doubt it now.What amazes me is that in the current climate,or even historically,how come there is no commercial savvy?.Is it a case of a wall full of degrees and no real substance?
Whers is the brash young man or woman in Swords who can see the wood from the trees and make it work?.they need someone badly with vision.IMHO,there problem stems from the fact of being under AF wing for so long,very comfy,lots of backup.Now,they have their own baby,and they didnt do prenatal!
LCY is a very collicky babay!!
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The only route that really works is the 0RY/LCY which is full of frequent flyers mostly French who use Air France by CityJet cause its the only airline going to LCY and cause all of them have the frequent flyer program that give them miles on each flight.They are by the way starting to annoy the passengers on that route with the constant delays due to the change of A/C that comes from GVA or ZRH etc...There has been plenty of complains lately. I doubt lots of English, Irish or Swiss passengers are so much interested in this frequent traveller card.Air France is just trying to see if there is any money to get from LCY, and probably trying to get as much slots as possible to take away from BA.
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problem is,you wont get any of the leave you apply for,specially if your new!They have developed a highly complicated system of granting leave,when there are so many ways of simplifying it.Instead,after an interminable make work project,thay have an ABC system,one year in a, next in c,next b,next a.Basically meaning that youll never get what you want.Also,they tag A/L days on to your days off willy nilly,which is disgraceful.
They dont want you carrying days,but you will have no choice.You will be called on your day off,as crewing are not au fait with JAR Ops,and at least common courtesy.
Also 5Papa,the 6/3 much heralded fixed roster is bull.Thats only for a select few,and even then has strings attached.If your new,or upgraded you wont get it for a year at least,but by then they will have fewer crews...and on it goes.
You have to remember, your dealing with a company whose new look website still advertises Madrid from LCY?.may seem like a small detail to some,but the marketing is god awful.Coupled with the poor branding,leads to problems.As I mentioned in a previous post,theyre making heavy losses on ZRH GVA,and even the Nice which was doing well,will be hampered by Cityflyer who are starting on it,with a very well oiled machine,super efficient.I foresee LCY being the thorn in the WX side.The Airfrance staff in LCY have embraced it like the Ebola Virus,rock up for a flight and just look at the blank stares and long faces,..they dont wanna work for a cityjet?.
One more point,the RJs they bought from ummerikka are lemons.
They dont want you carrying days,but you will have no choice.You will be called on your day off,as crewing are not au fait with JAR Ops,and at least common courtesy.
Also 5Papa,the 6/3 much heralded fixed roster is bull.Thats only for a select few,and even then has strings attached.If your new,or upgraded you wont get it for a year at least,but by then they will have fewer crews...and on it goes.
You have to remember, your dealing with a company whose new look website still advertises Madrid from LCY?.may seem like a small detail to some,but the marketing is god awful.Coupled with the poor branding,leads to problems.As I mentioned in a previous post,theyre making heavy losses on ZRH GVA,and even the Nice which was doing well,will be hampered by Cityflyer who are starting on it,with a very well oiled machine,super efficient.I foresee LCY being the thorn in the WX side.The Airfrance staff in LCY have embraced it like the Ebola Virus,rock up for a flight and just look at the blank stares and long faces,..they dont wanna work for a cityjet?.
One more point,the RJs they bought from ummerikka are lemons.
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Jetfella,
so much of your information is just plain wrong, and as for the rest of it, that is just your opinion, not based on fact at all.
Don't listen to him.
And it's 29 days leave, not 27.
so much of your information is just plain wrong, and as for the rest of it, that is just your opinion, not based on fact at all.
Don't listen to him.
And it's 29 days leave, not 27.
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thats agreed.also,certain base "managers"are not present at the base,which is a real turn off for the hardworking crew members,theres an appalling brown nose culture at cityjet which is catching up on them.
those who work in lcy know what i mean,sycophancy and hypocricy are the order of the day in cityjet.Market forces have no respect for this,and this is why they will lose....by the way,anyone thinking of joining,for a more detailed breakdown on t and conditons,,pm me,I have lots of info which id prefer not to publish here,
ciao.
those who work in lcy know what i mean,sycophancy and hypocricy are the order of the day in cityjet.Market forces have no respect for this,and this is why they will lose....by the way,anyone thinking of joining,for a more detailed breakdown on t and conditons,,pm me,I have lots of info which id prefer not to publish here,
ciao.
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Douche Bag, 29 indeed, point taken!
Wrote a nice post to actually make Jetfella's post worthless but hey, connection went down and I don't have the power to type it again.. So hooray to hotel internet.
Summary: new people not getting their leave? Hmm give me some facts, please, since I got mine all the time and I am not a senior here.
Oh hey that's the summary which proves that this guy isn't worth listening to already!
But anyway, Red Line, captain's salary is indeed between 6,5K and 9 K a month NET. It is such a big difference because if your are a new captain with a relatively easy roster you get 6,5K, but if you are more senior and get called on a couple of days off (for which you will get 500E NET a day extra), than the amount on your payslip can rise to 9K NET a month, yes.
Don't hesitate to ask any more questions,
happy landings
Wrote a nice post to actually make Jetfella's post worthless but hey, connection went down and I don't have the power to type it again.. So hooray to hotel internet.
Summary: new people not getting their leave? Hmm give me some facts, please, since I got mine all the time and I am not a senior here.
Oh hey that's the summary which proves that this guy isn't worth listening to already!
But anyway, Red Line, captain's salary is indeed between 6,5K and 9 K a month NET. It is such a big difference because if your are a new captain with a relatively easy roster you get 6,5K, but if you are more senior and get called on a couple of days off (for which you will get 500E NET a day extra), than the amount on your payslip can rise to 9K NET a month, yes.
Don't hesitate to ask any more questions,
happy landings
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5PAPA, you are just very lucky to be LCY based. I am really not trying to make make WX look bad. I am being totaly honest. I can tell you that new captains in CDG do not make 6.5 K a month. Its 6 k working max duty time.Of course we are not talking about captains who have been there for 10 years, instructors, line checkers... But how many are they ? And they have to apply for their leaves a year in advance which is often refused already a year in advance. LCY is an other airline in WX.
Its a fact ! WX has its good sides but...
Its a fact ! WX has its good sides but...
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You're right Lulu. But seriously, a captain's basic gross salary is at least E60.000 a year, so plus at leassst E2000 NET sector pay a month you will get 6K.
But anyway, let's not focus on this amount..
And again you are right that I am lucky to be in LCY, lucky as well that it suites me.
But anyway, let's not focus on this amount..
And again you are right that I am lucky to be in LCY, lucky as well that it suites me.
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Good Luck to the guys and girls, Flight deck and Cabin Crew,who have embarked on their Labour Court case in France this week.19 hard workers,who have been faced with no choice,Indicative of employee management relations in this company,Bonne chance.you all deserve every success.I will keep you posted on here as to developments,let justice take its course,
Ciao.
Ciao.
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From personal experience.
Leave is applied for on the intranet, if the dates appears in the right color you would think that the leave will be ok.
It remains unconfirmed until the issue of the roster containing your leave dates which makes booking anything a gamble.
If your leave dates straddle two rosters: ie you have booked two weeks but only have one confirmed, there is no avenue available to find out if you will be required for duty at the end of you first weeks leave until you leave the beach, log onto the intranet and look at your new roster.
Leave is indeed tagged onto ones days off without consultation: so your annual leave is now at Cityjet's complete convenience.
Colleagues have been given leave, booked holidays, and had the leave withdrawn by email some weeks later.
Tax regime: The French revenue are understandably upset that french Nationals, living and working in France pay their taxes to the Irish government.
Does the company for one moment believe that the UK Inland revenue will take a different view given that crew members do not comply with the 90 day rule ?
A base is a base, and within the EU that is not negotiable !
Leave is applied for on the intranet, if the dates appears in the right color you would think that the leave will be ok.
It remains unconfirmed until the issue of the roster containing your leave dates which makes booking anything a gamble.
If your leave dates straddle two rosters: ie you have booked two weeks but only have one confirmed, there is no avenue available to find out if you will be required for duty at the end of you first weeks leave until you leave the beach, log onto the intranet and look at your new roster.
Leave is indeed tagged onto ones days off without consultation: so your annual leave is now at Cityjet's complete convenience.
Colleagues have been given leave, booked holidays, and had the leave withdrawn by email some weeks later.
Tax regime: The French revenue are understandably upset that french Nationals, living and working in France pay their taxes to the Irish government.
Does the company for one moment believe that the UK Inland revenue will take a different view given that crew members do not comply with the 90 day rule ?
A base is a base, and within the EU that is not negotiable !