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As of today has there been signifcant changes at CityJet? I was thinking of applying for DEC and wanted to know a few things if someone has the time.
1) Tax implications based at DUB or LCY. (I assume CDG is now closed?)
2)Implication of the VLM merger/buy out?
3)Current pay scale if someone has it.
4) Are there any Mesaba pilot's left from the RJ85 purchases.
5)Lifestyle roster issues.
6)What ever else you can think of.
It would be a big move for me and I would not go unless I was totally committed. I have read the previous posts and would appreciate minimal flaming and just direct and honest information. Thank you.
1) Tax implications based at DUB or LCY. (I assume CDG is now closed?)
2)Implication of the VLM merger/buy out?
3)Current pay scale if someone has it.
4) Are there any Mesaba pilot's left from the RJ85 purchases.
5)Lifestyle roster issues.
6)What ever else you can think of.
It would be a big move for me and I would not go unless I was totally committed. I have read the previous posts and would appreciate minimal flaming and just direct and honest information. Thank you.
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1) Tax implications based at DUB or LCY. (I assume CDG is now closed?)
Dunno
2)Implication of the VLM merger/buy out?
Eventually, both will become one under the Cityjet brand so all good.
3)Current pay scale if someone has it.
Captains make about 6500-9000 a month
4) Are there any Mesaba pilot's left from the RJ85 purchases.
yes
5)Lifestyle roster issues.
6on 3off. Great crews. Great staff travel.
6)What ever else you can think of.
I am thinking of reapplying. I worked there when there was only a handful of 146s. I miss Ireland.
Dunno
2)Implication of the VLM merger/buy out?
Eventually, both will become one under the Cityjet brand so all good.
3)Current pay scale if someone has it.
Captains make about 6500-9000 a month
4) Are there any Mesaba pilot's left from the RJ85 purchases.
yes
5)Lifestyle roster issues.
6on 3off. Great crews. Great staff travel.
6)What ever else you can think of.
I am thinking of reapplying. I worked there when there was only a handful of 146s. I miss Ireland.
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1) Tax implications based at DUB or LCY. (I assume CDG is now closed?)
Everybody pays tax in Ireland so 20% till 35000E income, 41% for every euro on top of that.
2)Implication of the VLM merger/buy out?
Eventually, both will become one under the Cityjet brand so all good.
3)Current pay scale if someone has it.
Captains make about 6500-9000 euro net a month
4) Are there any Mesaba pilot's left from the RJ85 purchases.
yes
5)Lifestyle roster issues.
6on 3off. Great crews. Great staff travel.
6)What ever else you can think of.
very good spirit in LCY, no reason for not applying
@Rayfal Vokoc: No.
Everybody pays tax in Ireland so 20% till 35000E income, 41% for every euro on top of that.
2)Implication of the VLM merger/buy out?
Eventually, both will become one under the Cityjet brand so all good.
3)Current pay scale if someone has it.
Captains make about 6500-9000 euro net a month
4) Are there any Mesaba pilot's left from the RJ85 purchases.
yes
5)Lifestyle roster issues.
6on 3off. Great crews. Great staff travel.
6)What ever else you can think of.
very good spirit in LCY, no reason for not applying
@Rayfal Vokoc: No.
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Sorry for the late reply both of you.
@ JajaBinx: Tax on basic salary is payed in Ireland because it is an Irish company (if you want you could claim taxes back and pay them somewhere else, just don't now why you would want that). So no UK tax. That's just how it works with CityJet.
@ speedrestriction: What do you mean exactly? Maybe this answers your questions: you need 3000hrsTT. You could be hired direct entry. If you would join with less than 500hrsTT (like me), it will take about five years because you will fly about 650 hours a year. You still have to be picked out by the management, so nothing seniority based.
Am happy to answer more questions. Happy landings.
@ JajaBinx: Tax on basic salary is payed in Ireland because it is an Irish company (if you want you could claim taxes back and pay them somewhere else, just don't now why you would want that). So no UK tax. That's just how it works with CityJet.
@ speedrestriction: What do you mean exactly? Maybe this answers your questions: you need 3000hrsTT. You could be hired direct entry. If you would join with less than 500hrsTT (like me), it will take about five years because you will fly about 650 hours a year. You still have to be picked out by the management, so nothing seniority based.
Am happy to answer more questions. Happy landings.
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Joffyh: That's just how it works. Either you live in LCY or DUB, you pay taxes in Ireland.
Billington: Again, this is exactly true.
Volorovescio: Chance is not 0%, but it is very small so don't expect it. Depends what you got to offer
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Billington: Again, this is exactly true.
Volorovescio: Chance is not 0%, but it is very small so don't expect it. Depends what you got to offer
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From: UK
Thinking of Applying
Hi All,
Was thinking of applying to CityJet as a Direct Entry Captain. What are the requirments to be considered? I Have 3300 tt 1000 Turbo Prop Capt and 500 Jet F/O (Current Position).
What are the chances of getting Dublin Base?
Web site mentions 6 on 3 off. Would a lot of this time be spent in Paris Hotels. What's the latest finish and earliest start day off requriments.
In general what's the atmosphere like with crewing and managment, I'm guessing there's a lot of unrest at the moment after the cdg base closure.
How secure is the Air France contract, When is it up for renewal?
Many Thanks Boys and Girls
Was thinking of applying to CityJet as a Direct Entry Captain. What are the requirments to be considered? I Have 3300 tt 1000 Turbo Prop Capt and 500 Jet F/O (Current Position).
What are the chances of getting Dublin Base?
Web site mentions 6 on 3 off. Would a lot of this time be spent in Paris Hotels. What's the latest finish and earliest start day off requriments.
In general what's the atmosphere like with crewing and managment, I'm guessing there's a lot of unrest at the moment after the cdg base closure.
How secure is the Air France contract, When is it up for renewal?
Many Thanks Boys and Girls
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: planet earth
Hi Toomuch
Was thinking of applying to CityJet as a Direct Entry Captain. What are the requirements to be considered? I Have 3300 tt 1000 Turbo Prop Capt and 500 Jet F/O (Current Position).
You should be ok for DE with those hours, or perhaps fast track to command
What are the chances of getting Dublin Base?
No problems
Web site mentions 6 on 3 off. Would a lot of this time be spent in Paris Hotels. What's the latest finish and earliest start day off requirements.
You'll do about 3 overnights/week. There's no requirement for early/late days off. In fact often start back early and finish late before/after days off, although not as often as in the past. Rostering is the one major problem at wx. The 6/3 fixed roster is a small step in the right direction.
In general what's the atmosphere like with crewing and management, I'm guessing there's a lot of unrest at the moment after the cdg base closure.
No problems, except in cdg base, but that's mostly due to lack of communication. . Too involved to go into, but CDG base is not closing. Overall, a good bunch of people.
How secure is the Air France contract, When is it up for renewal?
No AF contract as such - Cityjet is a 100% owned subsidiary of AF so no fear of flights disappearing. Major impediment to growth is lack of crews at the moment.
Many Thanks Boys and Girls
Was thinking of applying to CityJet as a Direct Entry Captain. What are the requirements to be considered? I Have 3300 tt 1000 Turbo Prop Capt and 500 Jet F/O (Current Position).
You should be ok for DE with those hours, or perhaps fast track to command
What are the chances of getting Dublin Base?
No problems
Web site mentions 6 on 3 off. Would a lot of this time be spent in Paris Hotels. What's the latest finish and earliest start day off requirements.
You'll do about 3 overnights/week. There's no requirement for early/late days off. In fact often start back early and finish late before/after days off, although not as often as in the past. Rostering is the one major problem at wx. The 6/3 fixed roster is a small step in the right direction.
In general what's the atmosphere like with crewing and management, I'm guessing there's a lot of unrest at the moment after the cdg base closure.
No problems, except in cdg base, but that's mostly due to lack of communication. . Too involved to go into, but CDG base is not closing. Overall, a good bunch of people.
How secure is the Air France contract, When is it up for renewal?
No AF contract as such - Cityjet is a 100% owned subsidiary of AF so no fear of flights disappearing. Major impediment to growth is lack of crews at the moment.
Many Thanks Boys and Girls
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From: UK
Thanks for the good info everyone. A couple more if I may,
Could a Captain living in the UK out of LCY give me an idea of take home. Any extra tax to pay for the UK tax man etc? I can't seem to get E7000 net using the ppjn figures!
Also pension and staff travel?
If someone could give me an idea of the 6 days on, work pattern that'd be great too - got to work out if I could use the delights of UK public transport from the South East..
Thanks again.
Could a Captain living in the UK out of LCY give me an idea of take home. Any extra tax to pay for the UK tax man etc? I can't seem to get E7000 net using the ppjn figures!
Also pension and staff travel?
If someone could give me an idea of the 6 days on, work pattern that'd be great too - got to work out if I could use the delights of UK public transport from the South East..
Thanks again.
Joined: Jul 2000
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From: Dublin
Hi Guys,
Cityjet is a good place to work, however there are some important details being left out by the others people posting here:
Rostering is a Major problem, the 6/3 is an improvement but only slight you are still looking at early start to your week and a late finish. (you can't have the fixed roster in your first year with the company or when you get upgraded for a year)
The company is Very short of Captains, hence I have heard that 15 O/Nights in a 28 day roster is not unheard of and up to 60 sectors. Good money mind you.
Because of the previous point annual leave is a Major problem and it is almost certain that you will not get to use your full entitlement and will end up building up large carry over days for years, I have heard of guys who are due Sixty Days, although how can they use them given the current situation.
Watch out for Management types on the forum they can paint a rosey picture, there is a very high turnover in cityjet at the moment and the main problem is with the roster, given the low crew numbers this is not likely to improve and has been a constant problem for many years.
There is a great bunch of Guys and Galls in Wx though and the work is good fun and interesting just not for people interested in quality of life, family etc.
Cityjet is a good place to work, however there are some important details being left out by the others people posting here:
Rostering is a Major problem, the 6/3 is an improvement but only slight you are still looking at early start to your week and a late finish. (you can't have the fixed roster in your first year with the company or when you get upgraded for a year)
The company is Very short of Captains, hence I have heard that 15 O/Nights in a 28 day roster is not unheard of and up to 60 sectors. Good money mind you.
Because of the previous point annual leave is a Major problem and it is almost certain that you will not get to use your full entitlement and will end up building up large carry over days for years, I have heard of guys who are due Sixty Days, although how can they use them given the current situation.
Watch out for Management types on the forum they can paint a rosey picture, there is a very high turnover in cityjet at the moment and the main problem is with the roster, given the low crew numbers this is not likely to improve and has been a constant problem for many years.
There is a great bunch of Guys and Galls in Wx though and the work is good fun and interesting just not for people interested in quality of life, family etc.
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From: europe
Sorry, but I think some people are trying to make Cityjet look a lot better than what it really is. My boyfriend was a captain in wx and he never ever made 9000 euros/month. On a better month ( working maximum duty time ) he was making around 6000 euros. You are probably adding the 2000 euros that captains got for moving from CDG or DUB base to go to LCY (for a year only). Then I guess you can add up few hundreds if you are instructor or line checker.
Anyway, in the end the money is not everything. You will find out in the long run.
The atmosphere is still good in lcy cause its still new and people are still motivated and lots of them have the leaving allowance ( but for only a year)!!
Anyway, in the end the money is not everything. You will find out in the long run.
The atmosphere is still good in lcy cause its still new and people are still motivated and lots of them have the leaving allowance ( but for only a year)!!