Ryanair 'floating base' during line training
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Ooh beee dee ants. FR pilots work for less on the worst T's & C's (don't argue its fact) and they do MOL's bidding ooh bee dee ant lee. this is training not all other pilots get, I am therefore agreeing with J.J. get it now?
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I was not trying to pull down people who do other jobs like manual labour, I have respect for people that do that,, there getting out of bed in a morning and providing for the family and hopefully enjoy there job, i was tryign to get across the point that we have to pay a lot of money to get where we are in flying and so its an awesome job but does not come as easy as maybe other jobs can,,, but it shouldent
I was not trying to pull down people who do other jobs like manual labour, I have respect for people that do that,, there getting out of bed in a morning and providing for the family and hopefully enjoy there job, i was tryign to get across the point that we have to pay a lot of money to get where we are in flying and so its an awesome job but does not come as easy as maybe other jobs can,,, but it shouldent
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Here we go. In Ryan the training is as good as.. the pilots are as profesional as... bla bla bla.
Simple fact: Ryan offers the lowest form of Jet employment in Western Europe. Most experienced pilots would not touch them with a bargepole. Those that can will go to a better employer. Those that cannot are stuck with Ryan. Therefore Ryan must be manned (mostly) by the desperate and those not wanted by other airlines.
There are ofcourse exceptions to this due to basing and other personal factors but I am sure it holds as a rule for the pilot population as a whole.
Standing by for mortally offended defenders of Ryanair, that wholesome and principled employer.
Simple fact: Ryan offers the lowest form of Jet employment in Western Europe. Most experienced pilots would not touch them with a bargepole. Those that can will go to a better employer. Those that cannot are stuck with Ryan. Therefore Ryan must be manned (mostly) by the desperate and those not wanted by other airlines.
There are ofcourse exceptions to this due to basing and other personal factors but I am sure it holds as a rule for the pilot population as a whole.
Standing by for mortally offended defenders of Ryanair, that wholesome and principled employer.
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Stansdead I think you ment 70K - if indeed thats how much its costs is for a licence no? Nothing more. We have all been there only some of us didnt jump straight to the right hand seat of a 732, 1-11, 727 or whatever, so we earned crap money working our way up scaring the ****e out of ourselfs on our own during vairous crap jobs. Would I change that - no I wanted to fly, but at 20-25 I wouldnt have turned down a Jet job with 200 hrs either. In the long run I would have been far better off too - money wise that is.
Knee Trembler you either are taking the piss working for the goverment or from an airfield that closes early. You are also over crewed by the looks of things as well. If you are working for an airline I personally would be a little concerned if my aircraft were tucked up that early just how they were being paid for.
Calypso I am not offended at all. You are all entitled to your opnions however uninformed they are, but believe me RA is far from the lowest form of jet employment as you put it, In the western world or anywhere in the world.
Guys think about it. Ryanair cadet joins at 20yrs or there abouts spends one year earing crap money- and it aint that crap. Year 2 money gets better year 3 hes doing 3-4 grand a month year 4 hes a Captain if hes any good clearing 5 - 5.5 grand a month maybe more depends where he is. He also has options most of his friends can only dream about - jesus SFI/TRI/LTC/TRE positions that he would never get else where, probably a base near his home. On top of all that its the best roster in the business unless you own your own plane.
Now is that so bad?
Knee Trembler you either are taking the piss working for the goverment or from an airfield that closes early. You are also over crewed by the looks of things as well. If you are working for an airline I personally would be a little concerned if my aircraft were tucked up that early just how they were being paid for.
Calypso I am not offended at all. You are all entitled to your opnions however uninformed they are, but believe me RA is far from the lowest form of jet employment as you put it, In the western world or anywhere in the world.
Guys think about it. Ryanair cadet joins at 20yrs or there abouts spends one year earing crap money- and it aint that crap. Year 2 money gets better year 3 hes doing 3-4 grand a month year 4 hes a Captain if hes any good clearing 5 - 5.5 grand a month maybe more depends where he is. He also has options most of his friends can only dream about - jesus SFI/TRI/LTC/TRE positions that he would never get else where, probably a base near his home. On top of all that its the best roster in the business unless you own your own plane.
Now is that so bad?
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VirginPilot,
You obviously don't like what I say, but you do work for the lowest cost, meanest and nastiest outfit going.
As for do I fly? Yes, I do. I work for the airline that bears your "nom de plume" here on PPRUNE. Don't presume stuff that you have no idea of, it WILL embarrass you. Just because someone says you something you are not keen on, it does not mean they are unqualified to say it.
I am staggered at pilots like you. I am glad you are so happy in Ryanair.
Maybe next time we talk you will tell me the reason you bring your own gash bags is because O'Leary says it's Ryanair's contribution to Recycling/Global Warming........
Stan
p.s. How are your gash bags today?
You obviously don't like what I say, but you do work for the lowest cost, meanest and nastiest outfit going.
As for do I fly? Yes, I do. I work for the airline that bears your "nom de plume" here on PPRUNE. Don't presume stuff that you have no idea of, it WILL embarrass you. Just because someone says you something you are not keen on, it does not mean they are unqualified to say it.
I am staggered at pilots like you. I am glad you are so happy in Ryanair.
Maybe next time we talk you will tell me the reason you bring your own gash bags is because O'Leary says it's Ryanair's contribution to Recycling/Global Warming........
Stan
p.s. How are your gash bags today?
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Slick, I'm not taking the piss. I work out of MUC, (best european airport for two years running 
). Winter is quiet for us hence two flights per week, but it was the same with XL from November to March and I guess with other charter firms too.
Yes we do have night restrictions here.
Point is, it doesn't have to be the Ryanair way. Like governments, you get what you deserve and are prepared to put up with.
Ironically, however, or Ts & Cs only improved after so many left for Ryan!
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). Winter is quiet for us hence two flights per week, but it was the same with XL from November to March and I guess with other charter firms too.Yes we do have night restrictions here.
Point is, it doesn't have to be the Ryanair way. Like governments, you get what you deserve and are prepared to put up with.
Ironically, however, or Ts & Cs only improved after so many left for Ryan!
KT
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Simple fact: Ryan offers the lowest form of Jet employment in Western Europe. Most experienced pilots would not touch them with a bargepole. Those that can will go to a better employer. Those that cannot are stuck with Ryan. Therefore Ryan must be manned (mostly) by the desperate and those not wanted by other airlines.
What an arrogant statement by someone who talks out of their proverbial! Ill ask you this then mate if you seem to know so much about our T&C's then why are there guys here that are ex BA and EZY? Do you work for RYR? Then if you don't how about you leave the commenting to people who actually work there and hearing from a friend of a friend doesn't count.
The Terms are not up for debate you either accept them and work there or don't and fcuk off somewhere else simple!
I mean we must be real **** pilots when there are RYR pilots flying for airlines all over the world! But hey we are the lowest of the low. We are bringing down the whole airline industries terms.
To those of you who constantly use PPRUNE to slag off RYR how about you take care of your own backyard before you stick your noses into ours. And I don't believe for one minute that RYR will determine what your company will pay you guys.
Obviously calypso you will never be paid enough because you are the best of the best. Been to Top Gun lately have you? I hear they only take the best of the best. You'd fit right in with that massive ego of yours!
Back to the ORIGINAL question. Yes you can be sent all over the network. It depends where the line trainers are available. They try not to do it, to give you some stability but sometimes it can't be avoided. Line training takes up to 6 weeks so its quite feasible to live off the salary they pay you. As for positioning you can do that on any RYR flight provided you follow the rules published on crewdock. No need for standby's at all as you are dead heading to your base. As for different Captains I had mostly the same although sometimes I had different ones. Once again depends on their rostering and yours.
What an arrogant statement by someone who talks out of their proverbial! Ill ask you this then mate if you seem to know so much about our T&C's then why are there guys here that are ex BA and EZY? Do you work for RYR? Then if you don't how about you leave the commenting to people who actually work there and hearing from a friend of a friend doesn't count.
The Terms are not up for debate you either accept them and work there or don't and fcuk off somewhere else simple!
I mean we must be real **** pilots when there are RYR pilots flying for airlines all over the world! But hey we are the lowest of the low. We are bringing down the whole airline industries terms.
To those of you who constantly use PPRUNE to slag off RYR how about you take care of your own backyard before you stick your noses into ours. And I don't believe for one minute that RYR will determine what your company will pay you guys.
Obviously calypso you will never be paid enough because you are the best of the best. Been to Top Gun lately have you? I hear they only take the best of the best. You'd fit right in with that massive ego of yours!
Back to the ORIGINAL question. Yes you can be sent all over the network. It depends where the line trainers are available. They try not to do it, to give you some stability but sometimes it can't be avoided. Line training takes up to 6 weeks so its quite feasible to live off the salary they pay you. As for positioning you can do that on any RYR flight provided you follow the rules published on crewdock. No need for standby's at all as you are dead heading to your base. As for different Captains I had mostly the same although sometimes I had different ones. Once again depends on their rostering and yours.
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you really do seem to have a hard on over these gash bags! lol,,,, I really do have more to worry about in life than worrying about putting some rubish in the bin myself! nevermind if it worrys you so much.
you really do seem to have a hard on over these gash bags! lol,,,, I really do have more to worry about in life than worrying about putting some rubish in the bin myself! nevermind if it worrys you so much.
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Time to add my experience of FR into the mix. Had an interveiw and sim, paid the money and got offered a start date and course. What was the terms and conditions I asked? A hand written breakdown of wages etc was given at the interview. This is piss poor, a contract or written undertaking should be given so people know what they are signing up to is the minimum you should expect! Paul Deaves was great but Ash was a uninterested Knob! I had a start date with another jet operator which I accepted instead of FRA because I knew what I was getting paid each month with terms and conditions in advance. Shame because I wanted Stansted but now work a lot further north. Security means a lot to some people so I took the safe option.
PS A good friend has just started with FRA and loves it so.....
PSS There is only one person who really is doing well out of FRA and that is the rancid tosser MOL. Read the book about FRA and you'll hate him to.
PS A good friend has just started with FRA and loves it so.....
PSS There is only one person who really is doing well out of FRA and that is the rancid tosser MOL. Read the book about FRA and you'll hate him to.
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My heart bleeds for the ill treatment and poor understanding people give Ranair. 
A lovely attitude that makes my point quite nicely, specially since the Terms are continuosly changed (lowered) unilateraly.
On the contrary this is not about pay but about the fair treatment that we all deserve. Neither is it about me, it is about how most pilots would not put up with the Ryan antics and would rather fly for anyone else or give up flying than be bullied and abused as you guys are. Beleive me this is not just my opinion but a prevalent opinion of pilots outside Ryan. Get out and you will find out.
The Terms are not up for debate you either accept them and work there or don't and fcuk off somewhere else simple!
Obviously calypso you will never be paid enough because you are the best of the best. Been to Top Gun lately have you? I hear they only take the best of the best. You'd fit right in with that massive ego of yours!
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To those of you who constantly use PPRUNE to slag off RYR how about you take care of your own backyard before you stick your noses into ours. And I don't believe for one minute that RYR will determine what your company will pay you guys.
Our Flight Ops Director went to the Ryanair roadshow to learn for himself what was on offer. After that we got a 35% pay rise.
Thanks MOL
Calypso I find it ironic that its pilots outside of RYAN that feel fit to comment on the ins and outs of the goings on within RYR. Like any large group of pilots there are people that are happy and there are people that are unhappy.
Its just that if you come onto here and say im happy with my lot the company you are branded a low time wannabe that has no experience of the outside world and that we are lowering the terms for all pilots.
If life is so bad at RYR people would be leaving in droves. The simple fact that that they aren't leaving in such large numbers either says one of two things. One they maybe possibly happy with what we have, or two there's a mass conspiracy to hide that fact.
What would you want the company to offer the pilots at RYR? The money isnt bad at all(last pay deal voted in STN not lowered unilaterally) . Roster stability is great and I get to fly aircraft that are in good nick and dont have any trouble from management.
Yes management is bloody minded but please point to a management in a current airline that isnt state owned where they are looking at keeping the pilots happy. Take a look over at the QF boys. Brikcing it that jetstar will take over their flying all the while fighting to get 3 percent increases in pay (while inflation in Aus is over 3.5) and this is from a so called legacy. BA boys threatening a strike over project lauren and CX boys also having pay problems. EZY boys facing the possibility of separate contracts for European bases and so on and so on. All in all if you look at it pilots the world over are getting screwed but hey its only RYR that are treating their pilots like ****.
So why not complain about their management treating their pilots fairly? Is it because the modern management/account understands only the bottom line? That they don't give a toss about feel good factor of employees. They have come to the realisation that if you won't do it for that price there is somebody that will. Modern airlines aren't run like the good old days when you had pilots running pilots. its the almighty dollar that commands what happens and that is controlled by the shareholders who think that pilots are glorified bus drivers!!!
I stand by by my statement that if you don't like it bugger off. You know the terms when you join and any changes made, so if you don't like them look after yourself and piss off. I know I will if that ever happens to me!
But hey ho what do I know i don't have 50 years in the left seat and three space shuttle landing to my name so I cant have an opinion!
Its just that if you come onto here and say im happy with my lot the company you are branded a low time wannabe that has no experience of the outside world and that we are lowering the terms for all pilots.
If life is so bad at RYR people would be leaving in droves. The simple fact that that they aren't leaving in such large numbers either says one of two things. One they maybe possibly happy with what we have, or two there's a mass conspiracy to hide that fact.
What would you want the company to offer the pilots at RYR? The money isnt bad at all(last pay deal voted in STN not lowered unilaterally) . Roster stability is great and I get to fly aircraft that are in good nick and dont have any trouble from management.
Yes management is bloody minded but please point to a management in a current airline that isnt state owned where they are looking at keeping the pilots happy. Take a look over at the QF boys. Brikcing it that jetstar will take over their flying all the while fighting to get 3 percent increases in pay (while inflation in Aus is over 3.5) and this is from a so called legacy. BA boys threatening a strike over project lauren and CX boys also having pay problems. EZY boys facing the possibility of separate contracts for European bases and so on and so on. All in all if you look at it pilots the world over are getting screwed but hey its only RYR that are treating their pilots like ****.
So why not complain about their management treating their pilots fairly? Is it because the modern management/account understands only the bottom line? That they don't give a toss about feel good factor of employees. They have come to the realisation that if you won't do it for that price there is somebody that will. Modern airlines aren't run like the good old days when you had pilots running pilots. its the almighty dollar that commands what happens and that is controlled by the shareholders who think that pilots are glorified bus drivers!!!
I stand by by my statement that if you don't like it bugger off. You know the terms when you join and any changes made, so if you don't like them look after yourself and piss off. I know I will if that ever happens to me!
But hey ho what do I know i don't have 50 years in the left seat and three space shuttle landing to my name so I cant have an opinion!
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It's not a bad gig if you stay away from the politics and whiners. The terms of the contract from Bookfield is black and white.
TDY at other bases where you can actually unpack your luggage? I would take that over doing the bag drag through different airline terminals five days a week along with unreliable hotel shuttles.
For every scheduled block hour flown, you are paid. Now how complicated or abusive can that be?
Five days on... four days off. How complicated is that?
One full month off plus additional days off during the year. Is that so bad?
All right... you have to bring your own food and grog on the jet. But at the end of the day aren't you eating what you want? Yeah... on the flip side of the coin it would be nice if they threw in one or two bottles of unopened water... and paid for uniforms. But wan't that a given known when signing on the dotted line?
After all, are there any crewmembers being held against their own free will who think If life is so bad at RYR and they want to jump ship?
TDY at other bases where you can actually unpack your luggage? I would take that over doing the bag drag through different airline terminals five days a week along with unreliable hotel shuttles.
For every scheduled block hour flown, you are paid. Now how complicated or abusive can that be?
Five days on... four days off. How complicated is that?
One full month off plus additional days off during the year. Is that so bad?
All right... you have to bring your own food and grog on the jet. But at the end of the day aren't you eating what you want? Yeah... on the flip side of the coin it would be nice if they threw in one or two bottles of unopened water... and paid for uniforms. But wan't that a given known when signing on the dotted line?
After all, are there any crewmembers being held against their own free will who think If life is so bad at RYR and they want to jump ship?
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Well said,
I am new at FR and from what I have seen I am pretty happy so far, people I have talked to are generaly happy, the only complaint I have heard from pilots been there for a few years is there a bit bored with the routes sometimes and feeling like a bus driver, but thats flying, the routes are where the pay comes from so cant do much about that in any airline.
I really dont know where all these massive moans about conditions come from? do any of you that say how awful a company it is actuly fly for us or used to??? some must do hopefully as I really cant belive people coming on here and taking the time to slag of the company if they dont, I have never even looked at posts about other companys and probably wont do until I decide to switch.
I really dont care about the tea and coffee not been free because I dont drink it anyway, water is free and to be fair I could do with drinking more of that anyway as coke is very bad for you, food,, bringing in my own food really does mean i can control my own diet when sat for 8-10 hours a day in a plane, putting rubish is a bag? good god what a nightmare that will be,, 4days off! awesome! get to have a weekend off every two weeks just about and days off in the week every week! I have friends in 9-5's that have to take a day off just to do the random life stuff like banking and things, pay scale is pretty good,,, I know many many people been in jobs 5-10 years earning less that I am starting on, yea they did not have to pay £25k to get there job, but they dont get to fly a 737!, free jump seating on the network! loads of destinations and as we all go thru training lots of friends around the world with a free room to stay so can do some nice mini breaks on days off.
sure someone will come on and list the negatives now after reading that,, but there are always negatives in life, for me if you fixate on them you are just a negative person who will never be happy,,, I am happy now and later on if not no one has a gun to my head to fly, I can move on.
I am new at FR and from what I have seen I am pretty happy so far, people I have talked to are generaly happy, the only complaint I have heard from pilots been there for a few years is there a bit bored with the routes sometimes and feeling like a bus driver, but thats flying, the routes are where the pay comes from so cant do much about that in any airline.
I really dont know where all these massive moans about conditions come from? do any of you that say how awful a company it is actuly fly for us or used to??? some must do hopefully as I really cant belive people coming on here and taking the time to slag of the company if they dont, I have never even looked at posts about other companys and probably wont do until I decide to switch.
I really dont care about the tea and coffee not been free because I dont drink it anyway, water is free and to be fair I could do with drinking more of that anyway as coke is very bad for you, food,, bringing in my own food really does mean i can control my own diet when sat for 8-10 hours a day in a plane, putting rubish is a bag? good god what a nightmare that will be,, 4days off! awesome! get to have a weekend off every two weeks just about and days off in the week every week! I have friends in 9-5's that have to take a day off just to do the random life stuff like banking and things, pay scale is pretty good,,, I know many many people been in jobs 5-10 years earning less that I am starting on, yea they did not have to pay £25k to get there job, but they dont get to fly a 737!, free jump seating on the network! loads of destinations and as we all go thru training lots of friends around the world with a free room to stay so can do some nice mini breaks on days off.
sure someone will come on and list the negatives now after reading that,, but there are always negatives in life, for me if you fixate on them you are just a negative person who will never be happy,,, I am happy now and later on if not no one has a gun to my head to fly, I can move on.
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apart from being an irritating freeloader you are abusing the jump seat priveleges. it is for positioning and duty travel only. if you want a minibreak buy a ticket like everybody else.
aside: i find it amusing that the same characters like to have a conversation amongst themselves extolling the virtues of ryr using the same information quoted on the latest full page ad in flight. running out of applicants, eh boys?
free jump seating on the network! loads of destinations and as we all go thru training lots of friends around the world with a free room to stay so can do some nice mini breaks on days off.
aside: i find it amusing that the same characters like to have a conversation amongst themselves extolling the virtues of ryr using the same information quoted on the latest full page ad in flight. running out of applicants, eh boys?
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Annoyning free loader? we are encouraged to do jump seat travel for training reasons for the Line checks and also whats wrong with having a spare pilot in the cockpit? it can only be a good thing, fair enough dont go running off to Girona or Milan every day to get pissed! but it really is good to keep sharp and see things from behind the crew, you tend to learn much more there as its easy to see mistakes when your not in the seat.
anyway,,, leaveing this post now as I am sure its bound to get out of hand like every other thread on pprune,,,, in fact i might delete my profile and leave you all to it from now on.
thanks to the heplfull people on here,, as for the moaners, good luck.
anyway,,, leaveing this post now as I am sure its bound to get out of hand like every other thread on pprune,,,, in fact i might delete my profile and leave you all to it from now on.
thanks to the heplfull people on here,, as for the moaners, good luck.