Ryanair 'floating base' during line training
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That is how the new starts view it which is why Ryanair will never have a problem in filling the right seat! I think to many people forget just how many hoops they have had to jump through and the time and effort that they have devoted and to dumb all this down with an achieved 'apprenticeship' as the result!
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Stansdead, Do you actuly work for an Airline or just sit on here jerking off slagging Ryanair?
I am guessing the latter and probably because you cant afford to pay the type rating makes you bitter.
I have a few friends flying for Ryanair, all very happy and even after been there over a year now, I have just started flying now after finishing the Type last month and am loving every min of it, the money at the moment is not good but it will be soon, my wage after line training will be much better than a few buddys flying elsewhere and I am on a better aircraft, (Big Shiny New Plane) as people put on here thinking thats a bad thing too? dont know what most people like to fly but I prefer that to an old beat up piece of ****!
Ryanair is a company trying to make money and seem to do very well at it,, Flying is a job to pay the bills and have a decent life style, with 5 on and 4 off you can do that, yes its nice if people lick your ass and lay out the red carpet because your a PILOT, but lets be fair, were not gods, just guys and gals going to work to pay the mortgage, and get to fly a cool aircraft too!
as for paying for drinks and food, well I cant think of any other job I have had that bought me lunch so there really is no change there, I have to eat to live, why would Ryanair pay for that?
Just because we pay so much to train I dont think that gives us the right to have everything silver plated for us, you have to work hard, we just made a massive finantial commitment so we can fly fast jets for a living and not dig holes or be an accountant or something dull, if you dont like what Ryanair is offering you have two choices, pack up and go home, or move airlines, they dont force you to fly for them! all the info is availible before you join up, they might take advantage a little because people are desperate for flying jobs, but that just brings me back to point A,,, there a business, not a relife fund for struggling 250hour pilots!
I am guessing the latter and probably because you cant afford to pay the type rating makes you bitter.
I have a few friends flying for Ryanair, all very happy and even after been there over a year now, I have just started flying now after finishing the Type last month and am loving every min of it, the money at the moment is not good but it will be soon, my wage after line training will be much better than a few buddys flying elsewhere and I am on a better aircraft, (Big Shiny New Plane) as people put on here thinking thats a bad thing too? dont know what most people like to fly but I prefer that to an old beat up piece of ****!
Ryanair is a company trying to make money and seem to do very well at it,, Flying is a job to pay the bills and have a decent life style, with 5 on and 4 off you can do that, yes its nice if people lick your ass and lay out the red carpet because your a PILOT, but lets be fair, were not gods, just guys and gals going to work to pay the mortgage, and get to fly a cool aircraft too!
as for paying for drinks and food, well I cant think of any other job I have had that bought me lunch so there really is no change there, I have to eat to live, why would Ryanair pay for that?
Just because we pay so much to train I dont think that gives us the right to have everything silver plated for us, you have to work hard, we just made a massive finantial commitment so we can fly fast jets for a living and not dig holes or be an accountant or something dull, if you dont like what Ryanair is offering you have two choices, pack up and go home, or move airlines, they dont force you to fly for them! all the info is availible before you join up, they might take advantage a little because people are desperate for flying jobs, but that just brings me back to point A,,, there a business, not a relife fund for struggling 250hour pilots!
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There is nothing wrong with Accountancy, my dear, patronising friend. It has been fast-paced enough for me to pull in 15 hour days without a day off for 3 weeks on occassion. It may not be what you want to do, but there is no need to be rude. Likewise, the chaps on this thread are expressing an opinion, which informs the labour market of what is on offer. Quash their opinion at your peril.
Pity...their return on capital is far exceeded by easyJet.
I digress.
Ryanair is a company trying to make money and seem to do very well at it
I digress.
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virginpilot1087 you blithering fool you're missing the one point I thought your well written post was going to make.....
Ryanair might give you the chance to fly + live + pay the mortgage etc but have you not for one second realised what effect they have on the T's and C's for other airlines? Stop and think of that before you jump down peoples throats please.
Ryanair might give you the chance to fly + live + pay the mortgage etc but have you not for one second realised what effect they have on the T's and C's for other airlines? Stop and think of that before you jump down peoples throats please.
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You can shout from the rooftops about the impact on our own T&C's that this is causing but lets face it to a 20 year old wanabee with no kids, no mortgage who just wants to fill his boots with beer and get through as many hosties as he can there is little reasoning. Changing bases is seen as an opportunity to travel and add to that the opportunity to fly around a jet and build hours quickly. We were all young once and I dare say that many of us had the same carefree attitude to life.
But I think the only way to curb this is for us to blacklist FR pilots from our own companies. Perhaps if they knew from the outset that if they joined FR then that would be their lot for the rest of their careers then some might rethink or heaven forbid MOL might have to improve the T&C's in order to recruit enough pilots in the first place. Some might even join BALPA and IALPA to try and improve their lot once they realised they couldn't leave. All this could be done very quietly on the sly without anyone knowing.
But I think the only way to curb this is for us to blacklist FR pilots from our own companies. Perhaps if they knew from the outset that if they joined FR then that would be their lot for the rest of their careers then some might rethink or heaven forbid MOL might have to improve the T&C's in order to recruit enough pilots in the first place. Some might even join BALPA and IALPA to try and improve their lot once they realised they couldn't leave. All this could be done very quietly on the sly without anyone knowing.
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But I think the only way to curb this is for us to blacklist FR pilots from our own companies. Perhaps if they knew from the outset that if they joined FR then that would be their lot for the rest of their careers then some might rethink or heaven forbid MOL might have to improve the T&C's in order to recruit enough pilots in the first place
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You might not believe it, but some of us don't want a job with YOUR company.
Some us are very happy earning £90,000, working five on four off and back in our own bed before 1am even after a late shift.
Some us are very happy earning £90,000, working five on four off and back in our own bed before 1am even after a late shift.
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And some of us get by on 60k, work 2 days per week, get our medicals rostered and paid, uniform, car park (underground and 5 mins from crew room) for free. Then there's more food than we can eat, plus newspapers and magazines for free and six weeks paid holiday per year. And I'm back home by 10pm most nights.
Oh and the salary goes up each year too.
And we're officially low cost.
And everyone's nice here too
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Guess it's all relative
KT,
PS, there's also a small queue of colleagues who left for the bright lights of Ryan waiting to come back.
Oh and the salary goes up each year too.
And we're officially low cost.
And everyone's nice here too
.Guess it's all relative
KT,
PS, there's also a small queue of colleagues who left for the bright lights of Ryan waiting to come back.
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You are like children. If your company is so good i am sure they wont bring your T&C's down to the same as FR and if they do i am sure you will not let them as you all talk about having the best backbone in the world, unless that is your also full of crap. People who work for Ryanair dont like MOL but it is the best way of life for them and their family just as it is for you to be away and get a free cup of tea and some food. To some people seeing their kids grow up by being home everynight is more important then free food. I have friends who are working away from home and get food and all that yet they are looking at going back to RYR so they can be at home everynight. Make your choice and if you dont like it, leave.
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Airlines with strong unions, leaders, and membership should not be threatened by FR’s T&Cs.
Live and let live. Some people like to be in their own beds at night. Some like to fly one or two days a week. Some like to be away from home. Some like crew meals and some don’t.
POL.777… just curious… what are your thoughts about pilots with airlines who took pay and benefit reductions, as endorsed by their respective unions? Should they be black listed too?
Live and let live. Some people like to be in their own beds at night. Some like to fly one or two days a week. Some like to be away from home. Some like crew meals and some don’t.
POL.777… just curious… what are your thoughts about pilots with airlines who took pay and benefit reductions, as endorsed by their respective unions? Should they be black listed too?
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what's wrong with being a prostitute?
is that worse than being a solicitor, an MP, traffic warden, movie star, big brother celeb, pop idol?
even the prostitutes i have met have their standards for terms and conditions!!
if i were good looking, i'd probably be a prostitute on my days off!!! but i can only manage it for free--or maybe a dinner or two--ha--
even the prostitutes i have met have their standards for terms and conditions!!
if i were good looking, i'd probably be a prostitute on my days off!!! but i can only manage it for free--or maybe a dinner or two--ha--
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RYR pilots should have the same opportunities as any other pilot looking to change job. Its not the employees fault that RYR is treating their pilots by means of management by terror.
At the end of the day, everyone should be treated equally.
Good luck to everyone leaving RYR, and good luck to those who joins.
At the end of the day, everyone should be treated equally.
Good luck to everyone leaving RYR, and good luck to those who joins.
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Eagerbeaver1. What part would you like me to elaborate on? You will gather from my post that I don't work for Ryan.
I was simply making the point that 90k sounds great but that money isn't everything. There's a lot to be said for working for a company where your contribution is valued and you have the feeling that management at least to some extent give a f--k.
It all depends what you value in life.
KT
I was simply making the point that 90k sounds great but that money isn't everything. There's a lot to be said for working for a company where your contribution is valued and you have the feeling that management at least to some extent give a f--k.
It all depends what you value in life.
KT
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Having experienced the ryr way and left this is how it was for me.
I had over 12 different line training captains. All different in small ways but each one gave me knowledge and an appreciation of the job required. Some at times liked the sound of their own voice but this was far and few. I was lucky and was in one base for line training. Others I knew moved around but this gave them more experience. You did have your own costs but jump seats to places were never hard to get.
The training was structured and I enjoyed it greatly.
I moved due to pay and base issues. I still have quite a few mates who are there who enjoy it, to a point.
At times I wish I had stayed for more experience and the valuable hours gained going into the back end of beyond, but as pilots leaving in the last year were not allowed back in favour of 'paying cadets' as I once was, there is no chance.
The grass is not allways greener. The work away from ryr may be easier but there organisation and stability is excellent.
The only other point I have is not a swipe, but if MOL had been told to get stuffed by the longer serving members of ryr a good few years ago surely the changing of conditions may never have come along. Is it the youngies fighting the oldies battle?. Sorry to go off the topic
Good luck and enjoy take as much from the experience as you can
I had over 12 different line training captains. All different in small ways but each one gave me knowledge and an appreciation of the job required. Some at times liked the sound of their own voice but this was far and few. I was lucky and was in one base for line training. Others I knew moved around but this gave them more experience. You did have your own costs but jump seats to places were never hard to get.
The training was structured and I enjoyed it greatly.
I moved due to pay and base issues. I still have quite a few mates who are there who enjoy it, to a point.
At times I wish I had stayed for more experience and the valuable hours gained going into the back end of beyond, but as pilots leaving in the last year were not allowed back in favour of 'paying cadets' as I once was, there is no chance.
The grass is not allways greener. The work away from ryr may be easier but there organisation and stability is excellent.
The only other point I have is not a swipe, but if MOL had been told to get stuffed by the longer serving members of ryr a good few years ago surely the changing of conditions may never have come along. Is it the youngies fighting the oldies battle?. Sorry to go off the topic
Good luck and enjoy take as much from the experience as you can
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But I think the only way to curb this is for us to blacklist FR pilots from our own companies
RYR pilots trained just as well as any other airline and are just as qualified therefore im sure any employer wanting to hire pilots would not discriminate because he/she has worked for RYR.
FACT!
