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Easy called me and said the can offer me a course in March for a Com position in Spain, approx. 2 weeks ago. I confirmed, and now I got this:
At the moment the company has placed a hold on all external recruitment and placement of Direct Entry Captains. I cannot confirm when we will be able to offer you a start date.
What is going on??
At the moment the company has placed a hold on all external recruitment and placement of Direct Entry Captains. I cannot confirm when we will be able to offer you a start date.
What is going on??
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Hello,
I also was wondering what is going on there. Found out, that I am somewhere in the 80s in the holding pool.Is there any realistic chance that I can go with Easyjet next year in 2008 or maybe I have to wait untill 2009?
Maybe an insider could provide us with some information about it?
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I also was wondering what is going on there. Found out, that I am somewhere in the 80s in the holding pool.Is there any realistic chance that I can go with Easyjet next year in 2008 or maybe I have to wait untill 2009?
Maybe an insider could provide us with some information about it?
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As far as I have been told, recruitment for 2008 is running far slower
than in the previous (4) years, because the company accepted too many
new entrants in 2007 (just not to let them go elsewhere) and is reducing this
"backlog" now.
Madrid is a different thing, as it is on a different (spanish) contract and
the need to fill the cockpits is immediate.
HOWEVER: With the recent takeover of GB there are some 200+ pilots
coming into the company and I understand that they like to sort out
the true needs first....
Summary:
Too many entrants in 2007 + GB Pilots on board = Reduced hiring 2008.
I would not be surprised if the total recruitment for 2008 is something
like 100 pilots, not too much compared to 300+ for the last 4 years....
than in the previous (4) years, because the company accepted too many
new entrants in 2007 (just not to let them go elsewhere) and is reducing this
"backlog" now.
Madrid is a different thing, as it is on a different (spanish) contract and
the need to fill the cockpits is immediate.
HOWEVER: With the recent takeover of GB there are some 200+ pilots
coming into the company and I understand that they like to sort out
the true needs first....
Summary:
Too many entrants in 2007 + GB Pilots on board = Reduced hiring 2008.
I would not be surprised if the total recruitment for 2008 is something
like 100 pilots, not too much compared to 300+ for the last 4 years....
A very senior guy from the training department told me lately that only 30 new pilots are needed for 2008, time will tell. Apparently despite buying GB EZY training department still says that they need 450 new pilots in 2009/
Would this not be related to the rate of deliveries for A319s in 2008/9, as well as the GB takeover and the 'over-recruitment' in 2007? I think the next A319 isn't due until the spring, and there may be more B737s leaving the fleet next year too (anyone know?), hence only a small net gain of equipment in the short term.
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At the moment the company has placed a hold on all external recruitment and placement of Direct Entry Captains. I cannot confirm when we will be able to offer you a start date
It goes something like this:
We can't find anyone who wants to take his command in Spain, because the T&C's are below standard (only 3 days sick pay per year amongst others).
So here is what we'll do. Every command upgrade will have to sign for a permanent Spanish contract or will not get his command. As there are only 30ish command upgrades in the copmpany in 2008 you take it or leave it and wait another 1-2 years.
Looks like people are going for it if external DEC recruitment has been put on hold.
Off course most colleagues in the UK don't give a sh*t because it doesn't concern them, so BALPA can't do much about it...
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Dutchjock - I am not the slightest embarrassed to say when something is wrong at easyJet, but equally I am happy to say when something is right. Your tone suggests that easyJet has somehow behaved in an underhand way by offering commands at Madrid which you either take or leave. It strikes me that this is entirely reasonable and the choice is down to the SFO concerned who makes a decision in the light of his/her personal circumstances. If you turn it down then the offer goes to the next person on the list. I simply cannot see what is wrong with that.
We have become used to a period of unparalleled promotion opportunities at easyJet, whereby anyone with the minimum hours and appropriate sim grades gets a command course. Wonderful as that is, the situation should not be taken as the norm. Like every other company there will inevitably be times when such opportunities are not there. There are now only a certain number of commands available and it is reasonable for easyJet to promote people into slots at the locations where the vacancies exist. You are quite within your rights to turn down that opportunity and easyJet are then quite within their rights to approach the next person on the list. This process is completely transparent and everyone knows the deal. That is not blackmail by any stretch of the imagination.
We have become used to a period of unparalleled promotion opportunities at easyJet, whereby anyone with the minimum hours and appropriate sim grades gets a command course. Wonderful as that is, the situation should not be taken as the norm. Like every other company there will inevitably be times when such opportunities are not there. There are now only a certain number of commands available and it is reasonable for easyJet to promote people into slots at the locations where the vacancies exist. You are quite within your rights to turn down that opportunity and easyJet are then quite within their rights to approach the next person on the list. This process is completely transparent and everyone knows the deal. That is not blackmail by any stretch of the imagination.
Dutchjock - I am not the slightest embarrassed to say when something is wrong at easyJet, but equally I am happy to say when something is right. Your tone suggests that easyJet has somehow behaved in an underhand way by offering commands at Madrid which you either take or leave. It strikes me that this is entirely reasonable and the choice is down to the SFO concerned who makes a decision in the light of his/her personal circumstances. If you turn it down then the offer goes to the next person on the list. I simply cannot see what is wrong with that.
The "list" was frozen a couple of months ago. No new offers are being made. However, any SFO in any position on the list can get on a command course on reduced (Spanish) terms by putting their names forward for "accelerated command".
Thus you could be at the top of the list (which equates at the moment to having been eligible for nearly a year) and never get the command if enough people jump the queue under the "accelerated" system.
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Spanish base has enough volunteers, too many actually. Sounds like 30+ upgrades at the mo is the best guess. No courses after March I think, all DEP Capt recruitment stopped (too late by the looks of things?)
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Anybody have any information on hold pool DEP First Officer recruitment ? I am in the hold pool at the moment...
Latest I have is that they have recently started to allocate courses for those in the pool.
Latest I have is that they have recently started to allocate courses for those in the pool.
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There is not much info on the web page about the spanish contract, do anybody have details about the spanish contract? and how easy is it to go to the uk contract?
somebody told me they will make nearyl in every country an own corperation, because they got under pressure of the fiscal authorithies by letting their pilots pay their taxes on the isle of man. is in the near future the uk contract available, if in every country is a different contract?
3 days sick pay, I thought that is not possible in any european country?! Especially if I would decide to pay my taxes and social security in my home country, because if I would comute, I would have my "center of living" there. Or, is this contract based on a company abroad? Easy told me I was one of the first going in the holding pool (beginning of march I had my screening). As from the outside it is hard to say if they have given already somebody a starting date of a course, therefore I can just trust that I am in any row. As far I experienced EasyJet, they where alway straight forward, therefore I was quite astonished about the moves they made recently. But everything sounds logicical what I read till now.
somebody told me they will make nearyl in every country an own corperation, because they got under pressure of the fiscal authorithies by letting their pilots pay their taxes on the isle of man. is in the near future the uk contract available, if in every country is a different contract?
3 days sick pay, I thought that is not possible in any european country?! Especially if I would decide to pay my taxes and social security in my home country, because if I would comute, I would have my "center of living" there. Or, is this contract based on a company abroad? Easy told me I was one of the first going in the holding pool (beginning of march I had my screening). As from the outside it is hard to say if they have given already somebody a starting date of a course, therefore I can just trust that I am in any row. As far I experienced EasyJet, they where alway straight forward, therefore I was quite astonished about the moves they made recently. But everything sounds logicical what I read till now.
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Norman,
Your answer highlights the main problem: People are not aware of what's going on. Have you read the memo about accellerated command? (which has now strangely disappeared from the admin section)
If it were as you say just offering command on a first come first serve basis then fine, nothing wrong. The problem is, they couldn't fill the Madrid base because of the lower T&C's. So their answer was to offer accelerated command to whoever would accept this. the memo then said: IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THIS WE WILL HAVE TO HIRE DEC's. THAT is blackmail in my opinion.
Your answer highlights the main problem: People are not aware of what's going on. Have you read the memo about accellerated command? (which has now strangely disappeared from the admin section)
If it were as you say just offering command on a first come first serve basis then fine, nothing wrong. The problem is, they couldn't fill the Madrid base because of the lower T&C's. So their answer was to offer accelerated command to whoever would accept this. the memo then said: IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THIS WE WILL HAVE TO HIRE DEC's. THAT is blackmail in my opinion.
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Dutchjock,
Let me give you another perspective.
When we tried getting a salary increase back when there were no Dutchjocks in the company, they told us, either accept what is on offer, or we will hire dutch pilots....
Was that blackmail?
Why did you join when you knew we were trying for something better?
I think that you have benefited from that policy, what do you think? You did not seem to care then about my T&Cs did you?
In any case Madrid is full of Dutchjocks, so go complain to them. If you do not like it go home to Holland and stay on the doll or work for Martinair at half the salary. Oh they are getting rid of their A320s
In the real world it is about supply and demand. There are Captains out there who want to join.
The have passed the interview, and are highly qualified.
You are still a first officer, and easyjet can and will do as they like. If you do not like it go somewhere else. At present you have nothing to offer, the yhave everything to offer you.
Have patience and respect for your employer....
When you pass your command do as you please, but until then take what Easy have to offer you, or relax and enjoy your life...
Enough Said.
Let me give you another perspective.
When we tried getting a salary increase back when there were no Dutchjocks in the company, they told us, either accept what is on offer, or we will hire dutch pilots....
Was that blackmail?
Why did you join when you knew we were trying for something better?
I think that you have benefited from that policy, what do you think? You did not seem to care then about my T&Cs did you?
In any case Madrid is full of Dutchjocks, so go complain to them. If you do not like it go home to Holland and stay on the doll or work for Martinair at half the salary. Oh they are getting rid of their A320s
In the real world it is about supply and demand. There are Captains out there who want to join.
The have passed the interview, and are highly qualified.
You are still a first officer, and easyjet can and will do as they like. If you do not like it go somewhere else. At present you have nothing to offer, the yhave everything to offer you.
Have patience and respect for your employer....
When you pass your command do as you please, but until then take what Easy have to offer you, or relax and enjoy your life...
Enough Said.
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Are you serious????
If you can show any proof that is true than yes it's blackmail.
I love it how there is always someonewho says íf "you don't like it go back to where you came from'. That's always a great argument
You don't know when I joined so you can't say if "we" were trying for something better. If you read my post a bit more carefull than you might see that the company is imposing WORSE t&c's. How in the world can you defend that?
Don't you see this local contract business is eventually going to erode you're TRE conditions as well?
And finally please don't patronise me with talk of respect.
I have a lot of respect for ezy and even more respect for my colleagues and BALPA, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with all of the company's plans. They seem to have taken a different attitude lately.
Well said "old chap"
unbelievable.......
When we tried getting a salary increase back when there were no Dutchjocks in the company, they told us, either accept what is on offer, or we will hire dutch pilots....
I love it how there is always someonewho says íf "you don't like it go back to where you came from'. That's always a great argument
Why did you join when you knew we were trying for something better?
Don't you see this local contract business is eventually going to erode you're TRE conditions as well?
And finally please don't patronise me with talk of respect.
I have a lot of respect for ezy and even more respect for my colleagues and BALPA, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with all of the company's plans. They seem to have taken a different attitude lately.
If you do not like it go home to Holland
unbelievable.......
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Oh and dear Mr TRE,
These first Dutchjocks you refer to were told they would be based in Amsterdam as that base was going to open shortly. We all know that didn't happen. So as a matter of fact these Dutchjocks were planning on doing exactly as you so elegantly suggested: "If you do not like it go home to Holland'
Mr TRE, do you tell all your trainees from Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, America (and whatever nationality I didn't mention) To p*ss off home if they try to retain/improve their conditions? Nice attitude for a trainer in a European company...
The join date on the left of this message is the date I joined pprune, not my Easyjet join date...just to be shure...
Anyway rant over, back to topic
These first Dutchjocks you refer to were told they would be based in Amsterdam as that base was going to open shortly. We all know that didn't happen. So as a matter of fact these Dutchjocks were planning on doing exactly as you so elegantly suggested: "If you do not like it go home to Holland'
Mr TRE, do you tell all your trainees from Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, America (and whatever nationality I didn't mention) To p*ss off home if they try to retain/improve their conditions? Nice attitude for a trainer in a European company...
The join date on the left of this message is the date I joined pprune, not my Easyjet join date...just to be shure...
Anyway rant over, back to topic
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Dutchjock,
No I do not, as they are polite, respectfull and curteous......
When I say go home, I do not mean to your country, I mean to your own Dutch companies.
If they were so great, and jobs were in abundance you would not be here.
The only country in Europe where the real freedom of movement, employment and promotion on merit exists is the UK.
Do not talk to me about fairness, and blackmail, I would much rather you say thank you for what the British have given you and go on your way.
What I am trying to get through your head, is the fact that you are very insignificant in easyjet's eyes.
You are a captain wanabee. You have shown no respect to your elders, and now you are getting no respect or sympathy from them....
You have shown no self respect, so why should management give you something you do not deserve?
Good luck to you, but I can see it will only end in tears... unless you change your attitude.
Try thinking about what you can give, rather than what you should be getting.....
By nice to those who have given you a chance, and if you do not like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out...
Plenty more to come to fill in your spot.....
No I do not, as they are polite, respectfull and curteous......
When I say go home, I do not mean to your country, I mean to your own Dutch companies.
If they were so great, and jobs were in abundance you would not be here.
The only country in Europe where the real freedom of movement, employment and promotion on merit exists is the UK.
Do not talk to me about fairness, and blackmail, I would much rather you say thank you for what the British have given you and go on your way.
What I am trying to get through your head, is the fact that you are very insignificant in easyjet's eyes.
You are a captain wanabee. You have shown no respect to your elders, and now you are getting no respect or sympathy from them....
You have shown no self respect, so why should management give you something you do not deserve?
Good luck to you, but I can see it will only end in tears... unless you change your attitude.
Try thinking about what you can give, rather than what you should be getting.....
By nice to those who have given you a chance, and if you do not like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out...
Plenty more to come to fill in your spot.....
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A bit harsh your tone if I might say so
Dutchjock has a valid point whether you like it or not.
Do you think managements divide and conquer strategy will improve your own UK T&C's in the long run?
Local contracts:
A bit harsh your tone if I might say so
Dutchjock has a valid point whether you like it or not.
Do you think managements divide and conquer strategy will improve your own UK T&C's in the long run?
Local contracts:
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TRE, you dinosaur...
If you believe that you really should get out more
What on earth are you talking about? I show no respect to my elders? Who might that be? Captain wannabee? Why do you assume that?
When do you become significant then, if you are a TRE? 
I think the one who should change his attitude is you, you phantom of a long gone era.
I am not complaining about command or any single issue. This is about divide and conquer tactics on European contracts wich sooner or later will affect us all.
I know that you are an exception in an otherwise great company, but your believes and the tone of your messages are simply shocking.
You've got to earn respect. You don't get it by stating your position in your username.
You're not even answering any single one of the points I've made, but I suppose I'm not worthy enough of an answer.
I hope with all my heart that you retire soon.
The only country in Europe where the real freedom of movement, employment and promotion on merit exists is the UK.
You are a captain wanabee. You have shown no respect to your elders, and now you are getting no respect or sympathy from them....
What I am trying to get through your head, is the fact that you are very insignificant in easyjet's eyes.
I think the one who should change his attitude is you, you phantom of a long gone era.
I am not complaining about command or any single issue. This is about divide and conquer tactics on European contracts wich sooner or later will affect us all.
I know that you are an exception in an otherwise great company, but your believes and the tone of your messages are simply shocking.
You've got to earn respect. You don't get it by stating your position in your username.
You're not even answering any single one of the points I've made, but I suppose I'm not worthy enough of an answer.
I hope with all my heart that you retire soon.
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Dutchjock,
The contract has been ammended to have a 6 month sick pay condition added.
Why do al the pilots enjoy the MAD base?
Why are they all very happy?
Their overall package is equivalent to the uk, albeit minus the 7.5% pension contribution.
But the cost of living is much lower out there.
Not my words, words of MAD crews!!!!!!!!!!!!
The contract has been ammended to have a 6 month sick pay condition added.
Why do al the pilots enjoy the MAD base?
Why are they all very happy?
Their overall package is equivalent to the uk, albeit minus the 7.5% pension contribution.
But the cost of living is much lower out there.
Not my words, words of MAD crews!!!!!!!!!!!!