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2012.......But for the french contract i think it s better to have french crews ? NO........
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FWIW BA (the largest employer of pilots in the UK) does not have a merit based system for new commands.It is senority based.Not to say everyone makes the grade but at least you are given a fair crack of the whip and dont need to do any brown nosing.
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From: 'An Airfield Somewhere in England'
swordsman - FWIW the easyJet command system is effectively a seniority system too and no 'brown nosing' is required. The reason it is effectively a seniority system is that throughout the 10 years + of its existence there has been a suction process into the left hand seat due to continual expansion. There has been the odd halt in commands at different stages but not for more than a few months. That means that if you had the hours and the grades in the simulator plus you could convince your base captain you were suitable, then you were put on the Command Course. The date of the Base Captain's interview (known as a 'CPI' or Career Progression Interview) is the date you are added to the Command List. That list determines the order you go on the course.
I would accept that we cannot go on expanding for ever and a time will come when 'dead man's shoes' will apply (just like BA). At that moment the current system will look even more like a seniority system except the Command List will take years rather than months to go through. Personally, I fully expect a recognised seniority list to come into play at that point, but that is effectively what happens just now and no one is disadvantaged on grounds of seniority. Like every airline you still have to produce the goods and people do fail for one reason or other. Nonetheless, my observations over the last few years tell me everyone who is up to it gets a crack at the course when their turn comes round.
I would accept that we cannot go on expanding for ever and a time will come when 'dead man's shoes' will apply (just like BA). At that moment the current system will look even more like a seniority system except the Command List will take years rather than months to go through. Personally, I fully expect a recognised seniority list to come into play at that point, but that is effectively what happens just now and no one is disadvantaged on grounds of seniority. Like every airline you still have to produce the goods and people do fail for one reason or other. Nonetheless, my observations over the last few years tell me everyone who is up to it gets a crack at the course when their turn comes round.
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The date of the Base Captain's interview (known as a 'CPI' or Career Progression Interview) is the date you are added to the Command List. That list determines the order you go on the course.
The list is currently more than a year long (CPI date to start of command course date) and with no command courses planned for a few months, it is static. Fine.
However... There has been a queue jumping system in place, whereby you can leap out of that waiting list and into a course (leaving others waiting for their offer) by accepting a non-UK contract. This has been called the "Accelerated Command Opportunity".
The last (Madrid) accelerated command courses have now run, but with a new French contract being negotiated I imagine that there will be more acceleration available, leaving those languishing on the list the opportunity to remain as a First Officer for even longer.
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The system still works like the good man NSF says. Yes the accelerated command opportunity also exsists but they will not jump you on the list as such. When it's your turn they might ask you if you want to go to MAD if yes you can start in 2 weeks. If you say no they tell you that you will have to wait 6 months.
At the end it's your choice how much you want it, personally I would wait but we're all different.
But I disagree that some can leap the queue leaving others to wait for their offer as you did have an offer, the location just didn't suit you.
TFCM
The system still works like the good man NSF says. Yes the accelerated command opportunity also exsists but they will not jump you on the list as such. When it's your turn they might ask you if you want to go to MAD if yes you can start in 2 weeks. If you say no they tell you that you will have to wait 6 months.
At the end it's your choice how much you want it, personally I would wait but we're all different.
But I disagree that some can leap the queue leaving others to wait for their offer as you did have an offer, the location just didn't suit you.
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....and no 'brown nosing' is required.
...plus you could convince your base captain you were suitable...
Please Norman, you were a DEC, so apart from the assessments you might do as a TC or TRE or the 'official' bits and pieces you read in the NTC's, you know very little about how a "seniority system" for commands in easyJet works from an FO's perspective. On paper it's fair, in practice it really depends on the base/base captain.
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The Flying Cokeman,
Despite much waiting, I have not had an offer, not even of Madrid.
However, the NTC clearly said that so long as you had had your CPI, you could put your name forward to your BC for Madrid, thus jumping the queue. This, I suspect, was why is was headed "Accelerated Command".
Despite much waiting, I have not had an offer, not even of Madrid.
However, the NTC clearly said that so long as you had had your CPI, you could put your name forward to your BC for Madrid, thus jumping the queue. This, I suspect, was why is was headed "Accelerated Command".
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However... There has been a queue jumping system in place, whereby you can leap out of that waiting list and into a course (leaving others waiting for their offer) by accepting a non-UK contract. This has been called the "Accelerated Command Opportunity".
The last (Madrid) accelerated command courses have now run, but with a new French contract being negotiated I imagine that there will be more acceleration available, leaving those languishing on the list the opportunity to remain as a First Officer for even longer.
The last (Madrid) accelerated command courses have now run, but with a new French contract being negotiated I imagine that there will be more acceleration available, leaving those languishing on the list the opportunity to remain as a First Officer for even longer.
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The list is currently more than a year long (CPI date to start of command course date) and with no command courses planned for a few months, it is static. Fine.
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excuse me nuageblanc but for wich airline you re flying?
are you on easy holding pool? if not please leave this forum please
are you on easy holding pool? if not please leave this forum please
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JPHL 68 Laisse tomber tu sais nuageblanc est un petit amuseur public qui vient de finir tout juste son ael chez britair. en mp bull!!!! man c'est pas toi qui t'amusait a balancer la vraie identite d'utilisateur de ce forum recemment.
SOrry guys to speak in french but Iam really fed up with this idi.t. And I have to do something.
Occupe toi de revisions de reviser tes minimas a morlaix ou tes procedures n-1sur crj ou lieu de nous emmmerder ici..
SOrry guys to speak in french but Iam really fed up with this idi.t. And I have to do something.
Occupe toi de revisions de reviser tes minimas a morlaix ou tes procedures n-1sur crj ou lieu de nous emmmerder ici..
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From: Location, Location
Just like going into CDG - reduced situational awareness for everyone else but at least the French speakers are okay!
Back to thread - EJ have announeced expansion in the NW, 5 Aircraft in MAN and 10 in LPL end of 2010. not sure how much of this is taken up by amalgomation of the GB fleet and still no clarity on current recruitment - sorry
Back to thread - EJ have announeced expansion in the NW, 5 Aircraft in MAN and 10 in LPL end of 2010. not sure how much of this is taken up by amalgomation of the GB fleet and still no clarity on current recruitment - sorry
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Just like going into CDG - reduced situational awareness for everyone else but at least the French speakers are okay!
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If you really want to do something about nuageblanc, then add him to your ignore list, hist posts then don't appear when viewing the threads and it makes for more adult conversation.
Don't engage him, he is a little boy in a mans' world and he just gets a rise out of winding people up with his arogance and ignorance.
Rest assured when he has spent a reasonable amount of time in the industry his pro-management and anti union views will fade, of course he will at this juncture assume that his many minutes allready spent in the industry is indeed reasonable time, another indicator of how little he knows and how much he has to learn, trouble is he thinks he allready knows it all.
Trust me, the ignore function, its the way to go
Don't engage him, he is a little boy in a mans' world and he just gets a rise out of winding people up with his arogance and ignorance.
Rest assured when he has spent a reasonable amount of time in the industry his pro-management and anti union views will fade, of course he will at this juncture assume that his many minutes allready spent in the industry is indeed reasonable time, another indicator of how little he knows and how much he has to learn, trouble is he thinks he allready knows it all.
Trust me, the ignore function, its the way to go
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Ignore list
What's the point of debating a subject if you don't want to hear different opinions? Nuageblanc has IMHO some valid points like the way EZY is more and more becoming like Ryanair, so why ignore it? People (like myself) who write negative things are not necessarily negative about the airline, they just want to highlight the problem areas and are passionate to try and change these. Sticking your head in the sand and saying how wonderful everything is will not improve things, it will only lead to deterioration.
It's only by being a bit unreasonable that you can push the envelop. Look at all the great inventors and explorers. They were 'unreasonable,' had a vision and pushed the envelop. If they hadn't been unreasonable and just accepted the inevitable, we'd still be without electricity, computers and we'd still believe the earth was flat.
Unless we as pilots become a little bit more 'unreasonable' and assertive, the 'visionaries' on the other side of the table (Cor and Andy) will slowly but steadily push EZY in a Ryanair direction with mediocre pay deals, 'undercrewing' with 90 hrs block/month, divide and conquer local contracts and base captains that require 'brown nosing' for "accelerated commands."
It's only by being a bit unreasonable that you can push the envelop. Look at all the great inventors and explorers. They were 'unreasonable,' had a vision and pushed the envelop. If they hadn't been unreasonable and just accepted the inevitable, we'd still be without electricity, computers and we'd still believe the earth was flat.
Unless we as pilots become a little bit more 'unreasonable' and assertive, the 'visionaries' on the other side of the table (Cor and Andy) will slowly but steadily push EZY in a Ryanair direction with mediocre pay deals, 'undercrewing' with 90 hrs block/month, divide and conquer local contracts and base captains that require 'brown nosing' for "accelerated commands."