Ryanair Pilot Shortage
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I work for a quite large UK airline. I'm not aware of any pilots joining from Ryanair, ever. Is my boss frightened of upsetting MOL by taking his pilots?
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Is it true that Aer Lingus didn't hire one FR pilot in the last drive? Also remember reading on here that Virgin Atlantic don't have any ex FR pilots. Is this just coincidence or company policy?
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For those of you not familiar with Ryanair personnel management techniques and who believe that their finding "typos" in contracts, etc. is illegal, you need to understand how this really works.
It is no different from the new Second Officer who was promised a particular salary, a particular Base and a full-time contract and who finds - AFTER parting with their money for he Type Rating that "things have changed", "you were misinformed", "the situation has changed", etc, etc.
Your first dilemma is: can you do something?
Your second dilemma is: should you do something?
Your third dilemma is: can you afford to do something?
With Ryanair it is not difficult to find things which are considered by passengers or employees to be illegal or improper. But when you go to do something about your problem you immediately face the same aggression, this time via lawyers. What you say is an infringement of your contract they says is not an infringement. That means "see you in court". You can expect court with Ryanair to be a bit different too... there will be no "deals" or "offers". There will be counter claims and escalations and delays.
This organisation uses the court system as a means of achieving its ends and it takes a very determined person to take them on. Hence they don't care about the cost, like most other organisations. Individuals without the support of a pilots association are unlikely to be able to do so.
This all seems so unbelievable to many pilots that they don't believe it. Well, it is not for the want of post here over many years (not to mention a couple of well publicised court cases in Dublin).
It is no different from the new Second Officer who was promised a particular salary, a particular Base and a full-time contract and who finds - AFTER parting with their money for he Type Rating that "things have changed", "you were misinformed", "the situation has changed", etc, etc.
Your first dilemma is: can you do something?
Your second dilemma is: should you do something?
Your third dilemma is: can you afford to do something?
With Ryanair it is not difficult to find things which are considered by passengers or employees to be illegal or improper. But when you go to do something about your problem you immediately face the same aggression, this time via lawyers. What you say is an infringement of your contract they says is not an infringement. That means "see you in court". You can expect court with Ryanair to be a bit different too... there will be no "deals" or "offers". There will be counter claims and escalations and delays.
This organisation uses the court system as a means of achieving its ends and it takes a very determined person to take them on. Hence they don't care about the cost, like most other organisations. Individuals without the support of a pilots association are unlikely to be able to do so.
This all seems so unbelievable to many pilots that they don't believe it. Well, it is not for the want of post here over many years (not to mention a couple of well publicised court cases in Dublin).
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If FR was the last airline in the world, I was starving, and my kids sick they could still go stuff themselves. I would rather walk than put one penny in their pockets.
What a bunch of neanderthals....... What a sick sick SICK world, where thel likes of MOL reap success and recognition by stuffing their ugly peripheral extremities up so many peoples rectii. Employees and passengers alike.
May MOL, his disciples and especially his law-capos suffer from a life long rectal itch - and their arms be too short to reach......
FR pilots: Grow some backbone and genitals! Join a Union, and show the Neanderthal what stuff real pilots are made of, and not the jello version we are seing at the present.
The only reason why divide and conquer works - is because YOU LET IT.
What a bunch of neanderthals....... What a sick sick SICK world, where thel likes of MOL reap success and recognition by stuffing their ugly peripheral extremities up so many peoples rectii. Employees and passengers alike.
May MOL, his disciples and especially his law-capos suffer from a life long rectal itch - and their arms be too short to reach......
FR pilots: Grow some backbone and genitals! Join a Union, and show the Neanderthal what stuff real pilots are made of, and not the jello version we are seing at the present.
The only reason why divide and conquer works - is because YOU LET IT.
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I have around 150 hours in the 737 and 350TT. I would like to apply to Ryanair but I don't know the way I should do it. On one hand, if you are already type rated they require at least 500 hours on type. On the other hand, if you don't have a TR you must apply through CAE or SAS to get the TR. So... is there any way to apply if you just have 150 hours on type?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
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Our problem working for Ryanair is excactly summed up by previous poster:
All I want to add is, if you still don't understand how a company can manipulate you. Then try to imagine how a human brain works. If you're told something verbally, you compare it with your own rationale, if you see something written, you believe it, 'cause it's legally binding.
Then consider this...: You have moved to your new base together with your family. And then...They want to move you somewhere else, or try to force you to become a Linetraining Captain, or try to force you onto becoming a contractor. Whatever has been said/promised verbally/written is no longer valid, and your management doesn't care weither you take them to court.
You're treated like the Paria cast in India.
What would YOU do??
You wouldn't believe how many "breach-of-contract" -stories I've heard of.
So, to all you guys still insinuating it's our own fault....
You do not fully comprehend.
there are large numbers of FR pilots who stay because they are quite simply well inside their comfort zone and just can't be asked to put up with the upheaval of moving.
Then consider this...: You have moved to your new base together with your family. And then...They want to move you somewhere else, or try to force you to become a Linetraining Captain, or try to force you onto becoming a contractor. Whatever has been said/promised verbally/written is no longer valid, and your management doesn't care weither you take them to court.
You're treated like the Paria cast in India.
What would YOU do??
You wouldn't believe how many "breach-of-contract" -stories I've heard of.
So, to all you guys still insinuating it's our own fault....
You do not fully comprehend.
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Warning ... A total lie from Carmosine
Your hand your notice in. You were bonded for a type rating when you joined as a Direct entry Captain. You served the bond time, though and you give the required three months notice. Long story short, Ryanair says there is a typing error in your contract and the bond was for a longer period then you thought. We are taking your last two months salary, we want the balance of the bond money, our legal fees, and because you are leaving before the end of the bond we have to hire a contractor to cover your flights and the minimum period we can hire him for is 6 months, so you have to pay us his salary for that period too. And our legal fees (As it usually gets to that stage when it goes that far). Most non Union protected Pilots have to cough up the cash for the sake of a quiet life.
If you leave FR before any bonding period is served then expect them to chase after you, yes. Give one example of the lie that you have just propagated on this thread? I know exactly where you have got that quote from, none other than IALPA who continually put this statement forward, word for word, to anyone who is leaving Ryanair within their bond period and seeks advice from them. They also have their own agenda to serve. Shame on you for peddling such inaccurate rubbish 
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What Carmoisine is referring to is true. I've heard of several very similar stories, first-hand. Not from one person, but SEVERAL.
Pulp, I don't know what your agenda is, but you're way out of line by calling the poster a lier.
Pulp, I don't know what your agenda is, but you're way out of line by calling the poster a lier.
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When you say 'expect them to chase after you' do you have an accurate descripion of this or evidence from one who has experienced FR wrath? ie; letter from the company or phone call, or a letter from a legal rep?
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If it's illegal, ryr are doing it. Only in the last few days it was discovered by customs in Dub that all the ryr crew buses were running on agricultural diesel (i.e. non-duty paid and therefore illegal). I wonder which pikey midland farmer the diesel was sourced from. 
Not that the corrupt authorities will do anything about it.
Not that the corrupt authorities will do anything about it.
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Pulp Fiction I have a first hand account of the incident I mentioned.
I'm not going to go into further details as they would be personally identifying. I did not state that it happens to everyone who leaves but it does happen. Calling me a Liar is not correct.
As for the Red Diesel I am led to believe that all airside vehicles run on red derv. Huge difference in the price. I don't have a problem with FR trying to save money or being successful as a company, just not at the expense of it's employees.
I'm not going to go into further details as they would be personally identifying. I did not state that it happens to everyone who leaves but it does happen. Calling me a Liar is not correct.
As for the Red Diesel I am led to believe that all airside vehicles run on red derv. Huge difference in the price. I don't have a problem with FR trying to save money or being successful as a company, just not at the expense of it's employees.
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One of their other tricks is to you when you reach 500 or 1500 hours as an F/O.
The BRK contract stipulates that when you reach 500 hours or 1500 hours, you go up the salary scale.... WRONG!
If you reach the required amount of hours at the beginning of the month, you will be paid on your current hourly rate for the rest of the month and will only get an increase the following month!
Believe me, they will make their bestest to roster you in a way that you will reach the required amount of hours at the beginning of the month.
This way, they save about 2000 Euros.......
The BRK contract says that after 500 or 1500 hours, you go up the pay scale.... BRK will tell you that you go up the pay rate the following calendar month, although there is nothing mentionned in your contract.
Another example.....
you when you reach 500 or 1500 hours as an F/O.The BRK contract stipulates that when you reach 500 hours or 1500 hours, you go up the salary scale.... WRONG!
If you reach the required amount of hours at the beginning of the month, you will be paid on your current hourly rate for the rest of the month and will only get an increase the following month!
Believe me, they will make their bestest to roster you in a way that you will reach the required amount of hours at the beginning of the month.
This way, they save about 2000 Euros.......
The BRK contract says that after 500 or 1500 hours, you go up the pay scale.... BRK will tell you that you go up the pay rate the following calendar month, although there is nothing mentionned in your contract.
Another example.....