Ryanair Pilot Shortage

[Pulp Fiction]

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A new identity and the same guff will appear endlessly.
... and along comes a probationary PPRuNer ... with what looks amazingly like.... telling Ryanair pilots they should accept such nonsense. I mean to say...

Hey guys. Recognise the style. Why do all "Ryanair pilots" who wish to support management seem to use the same
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I think that the management have been very clever here
style, followed by why you should give in / cannot win / be fearful / accept anything Ryanair says as the only verifiable truth in the universe??

Of course there are people who do believe it, poor fools, which is why they keep doing it.

This was your response to Borealis in a previous thread, there are many more examples of your handy work at discrediting and blatantly talking down to pilots who may actually like working at FR but it's just to tedious to bring them all up. It seems that every time someone actually states that they are reasonably happy at FR they must be a management stoog according to you, Aloue. This is not backed up by fact just your opinion. That's what this site is set up to do, to provide a forum for opinions, information and, yes, as its title suggests, rumours.

So Carmoisine runs along to Bond to pay for his 737 rating. He weighs up the costs and what he can potentially earn from that rating, makes that his business decision, and Ryanair employ him, he's got lucky. He then has to wait for several months to earn a living here, I think that is wrong, hence my quote, Carmoisine

deceitful as any Ryanair manager

If you employ a pilot you should pay him straight away, but look at the long term prospects. Once onboard you build hours rapidly, gain great experience and you can then leave for what you all consider are far better pastures. But here is where it breaks down. You don't go anywhere. You stay here and you bitch and moan and whine and lie and do your best to stop any kind of recruitment into the company. How the hell do you think that improves your own working conditions

Is there a pilot shortage at FR? I think that we are now in a situation where the standard, certainly of those upgrading to the left seat, is below what it was 18 or even 12 months ago. I am someone who has always stuck up for the FR pilots but now I do believe that we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. I am working with fos upgarding to command who I honestly don't think should even be senior fos. Tell me, does all this FR bashing alleviate this situation, Aloue?

And you do astound me Aloue you were so bloody prepared to stick your nose into the business of Jet2 and stick up for this company, having never worked a day for them, but you'll spread as much poison as you can about Ryanair

If it's so bad why don't you just p!$$ off and get a life. Get some experience of the industry under your belt and then come back and comment. You'll soon learn that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. "Of course there are people who do believe it, poor fools, which is why they keep doing it." Your own quote applies to you Aloue ... you keep coming into work at FR, you are a poor fool if you find it so bad and don't do something positive about it or leave the company.

[wheresryan2]

Ryan air type rating?

Hi have just finished my ATPL 260TT no prospect of getting a job anytime soon, so the the future is this do the FIC thing for a year........OR put a CV in to RyanAir and pay for the Lot?

I would appreciate the views of anyone going down this route, has gone down this route, or is currenly working for them now.

Many thanks

[Cloud Bunny]

LHC

From what I hear, the camel has resigned!!!!!

So who was he then...............

Anyone care to enlighten us?

[captplaystation]

Use search facility, and type in " leo hairy camel", assuming he hasn't deleted his contributions, it should give you some idea why he is being missed . . . . . not.

[EjetSetter]

FIC like me. Trust me you'll have a new appreciation for flying, the joys of it, why you did. You also get the basic elements and simple rules; something 25,000 euros at Ryanair won't get you. Plus thoes hours put you in the driver's seat of where you want to go.

If the EC becomes a country (highly doubtful) and GA comes back (I wish) being a FIC is the only way to the airlines.

[Cloud Bunny]

Use search facility, and type in " leo hairy camel", assuming he hasn't deleted his contributions, it should give you some idea why he is being missed . . . . . not.

Well would you believe it but I actually tried that before I posted - nothing comes up for him/her/it, hence the question. Just curious.

[Gvk]

Hello all

Unfortunately I didn't go the FI way but I'm on the verge of going to the bank discussing 25 grand for the TR after passing the selections with Ryanair.

(Nothing final yet, it's just an option)

Could anyone give me some details of the initial pay at Ryanair. This is where I am so far:

Training contract: 6 months, 15000€ pa. no sector pay...
Start date: Base Training.

I've read in other threads this contract will get be replaced by a permanent contract after line training, so basically after 2-3 months?
Is that really something I can expect? Can anyone who's been through this lately shed some light on this, and give a bit more details of pay after that?

Very much appreciated, and I'm sorry to disappoint anyone as I'm sure I'll get abuse as much as answers...

[the grim repa]

i am sorry pulp fiction,my old cocker.Those are not long term prospects.they are not even prospects.A pension,loss of licence,right to respect,right to work in a safe and open environment free of threat and intimidation are long term prospects.NONE of which you have at ryanair.
i am not lying and whining ,i am telling others how it is and if you want to join then so be it.i am also doing my utmost to improve conditions within ryanair.pilots at ryanair have got now on the back of another half billion profits,when there is no more profits and no where else to go,pilots at ryanair will have minus half a billion euros and no way back.
HERES looking to a further further down the line.

[captplaystation]

Alas poor Leo, we knew him (and some who he was)well

Cloud Bunny, yes indeed what a strange thing. After years of being encouraged by all concerned to bog off, he has, and so have his posts, confirming what most of us always felt, that he just "may" not have been playing with a full deck. If you trawl through previous RYR threads you may find he is in there, or not ? well who really cares, how bizarre how bizarre.

[Superpilot]

There may not be a shortage of pilots...whatever that truly means, but there does appear to be a shortage of candidates as far as RYR are concerned. I'm talking from experience on this one, not making it up. I've seen friends apply and get invited for interviews within a couple of weeks. One guy I know of got turned around in 2.5 months, starting Line Training next week.

This together with the fact that you don't here complaints of people being left in the lurch after completion of TR anymore. Any opinions?

[YYZ]

I agree that people are not "left in the lurch" after the TR anymore, but this is due to the procedures being improved.

FR always need fresh pilots due to the continued expansion and people leaving. Nothing has changed except for the manner in which people are now processed. Allot of people fail the interview/Sim, a few fail the TR and a couple fail the base check... and of course, there are some who fail the line training.

Much as people love to assume, FR will not give you a job just because you have a little blue book, however, most with the aforementioned book can and generally do get an interview.. Many never get any further..

YYZ

[Superpilot]

Is it normal for cadets going through line training to fly all 4 sectors a day themselves?

[Victor]

No you have a Captain with you

[kick the tires]

'trainee' pilots are often given more PF than PNF sectors because most new pilots benefit more from this.

[Wing Commander Fowler]

Leo missing?

For those of you sufficiently mournful of the passing of the camel I can confirm that his legacy remains...... I managed to find his posts by selecting the "find posts" fa(silly)ty (sic) from his username on this thread http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=294716

Magically, all is revealed. Though quite why anyone would want to go there is beyond me??

[Jet Fuel Addict]

Pilot Shortage? Don't think so.

Maybe for a few weeks two or three months ago it certainly looked that way, when people were in fact on a type rating course as soon as they passed the interview/simcheck, but they are filling TR courses with SAS and CAE faster then they can follow.

So if a shortage for ryanair exists (which I doubt) it would be because TR schools can't keep up with demand? If thats the case then thats poor planning on Ryanairs behalf. (But as I said, these are just speculations)

Certainly there is no shortage of pilots as the great traditional november recruitement drive in the UK just... didn't happen! And everyone knocking on Ryanairs door as they are the only one recruiting at the moment.
(People are getting desperate even)


Off course this is just how I see it. Would love to read other thoughts on this

JFA

[GTP]

so will Fr need captains in 2008 or will there be enough f/o to upgrade.??

[easymoney]

Rumours are there will be 400 FO's taken on in 2008 and 200 promotions from within . So with those numbers in mind, there may not be much room for too many DEC.

Best to give them a call as things change daily.

[BALLSOUT]

RYR also have a new policy. Any pilot that has left the company within the previous 12 months will not be re employed by RYR

[JW411]

My last company would NEVER rehire any pilot who had left the company. There is nothing worse than a disgruntled employee. Why on earth would you want them back?