Easyjet Strike?
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nuageblanc,
Qu'est-ce qu'on t'a fait quand t'étais petit pour que tu sois aussi puant? On se connait pour que t'en aie apres moi comme ça, et que tu saches comment je m'appelle?
I don't know what the hell's your problem, but you do seem in need of some psychological counseling! Oh and thanks for stating my real name, I'm sure our management knows nothing about pprune! You do realize that was a pretty stupid thing to do, don't you?
now back to the subject
But just to make things clear. I do not want to strike, no one does. BUT in a few days we'll be voting to accept or not the new "offer", which is the same as the previous one, which was rejected by the membership. If this one is also rejected then we will be automatically issued with a ballot for industrial action. That's the way the procedure goes, and it has nothing to do with "whining pilots wanting to teach management a lesson" as nuage blanc and his buddies seem to think.
I for one am extremely worried, and disappointed about the hard ball tactics of CV et al, as I and everyone else I know is totally commited to the company's success, and have no plan on leaving as nuageblanc suggests. We make huge efforts to keep the show going every day, and we'd like a bit more recognition, not just a 'thank you' from mangement, and a 0.5 percent pay rise.
Qu'est-ce qu'on t'a fait quand t'étais petit pour que tu sois aussi puant? On se connait pour que t'en aie apres moi comme ça, et que tu saches comment je m'appelle?
I don't know what the hell's your problem, but you do seem in need of some psychological counseling! Oh and thanks for stating my real name, I'm sure our management knows nothing about pprune! You do realize that was a pretty stupid thing to do, don't you?
now back to the subject
But just to make things clear. I do not want to strike, no one does. BUT in a few days we'll be voting to accept or not the new "offer", which is the same as the previous one, which was rejected by the membership. If this one is also rejected then we will be automatically issued with a ballot for industrial action. That's the way the procedure goes, and it has nothing to do with "whining pilots wanting to teach management a lesson" as nuage blanc and his buddies seem to think.
I for one am extremely worried, and disappointed about the hard ball tactics of CV et al, as I and everyone else I know is totally commited to the company's success, and have no plan on leaving as nuageblanc suggests. We make huge efforts to keep the show going every day, and we'd like a bit more recognition, not just a 'thank you' from mangement, and a 0.5 percent pay rise.
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Zbman, your company is making money thanks to the nice managers ! not thanks to you ! there is a long queu for joining easyjet and everybody would love to have a 5453 roster and earning what you earn at easyjet !
thats it !
thats it !
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Originally Posted by nuageblanc
Zbman, your company is making money thanks to the nice managers
Maybe it's the sense of humor I don't get.
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QUOTE]Look at the guys at LTU going on strike at the summer holiday.[/QUOTE]
91% of the LTU-pilots voted. 96% for a strike. They recognized the need to fight against the CEO A. Hunold, who fights the pilot union!
Let´s see what EZY pilots will achieve? I have my doubts!
91% of the LTU-pilots voted. 96% for a strike. They recognized the need to fight against the CEO A. Hunold, who fights the pilot union!
Let´s see what EZY pilots will achieve? I have my doubts!
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Pay terms and conditions
What is the present pay for Easyjet Captains in Madrid and potential increase
and the other conditions exactly summarized ?
If you don't mind ?
Cheers
and the other conditions exactly summarized ?
If you don't mind ?
Cheers
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I think pilots should care a bit more of their T&C!
As I said, if they have the chance to!?
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your company is making money thanks to the nice managers !
managers and companies would be nothing if people like us wouldn't do the job of a safe, serious and professional operation.
You would be nothing without us! remember it...
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Grow up
All this "we're more important than you" bulls@it that happens on here is pathetic. An airline is a complicated business. A pilot is no more or less important than an engineer, a cleaner, a marketeer etc etc. The whole thing is a machine with lots of cogs of varying sizes that can knacker the whole system if a part of it doesn't work properly. Get over it.
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Nuageblanc,
Apres quelques jours de reflexions je me sens dans le besoin de repondre a tes postings plutot ignorants qu autre chose.
Bien que je ne travaille plus chez EZY, j'y ai travaille pendant presque 6 ans.
EZY est une superbe compagnie, qui en effet offre des roles 5/4/5/3 etc, le salaire est en general assez bon, pension etc sont de meme.
Ce qu il faut que tu comprennes, c est que si EZY est une "si boone compagnie" c est en partie/majorite grace a ses pilotes et personels de cabine, ces gens travails dans le plus grand professionalisme et sous pression constante pour que tout fonctionne comme une horloge suisse.
La seule chose que les employes (pas que les pilotes) souhaitent c est une reconnaissance, quand moi je travaillais la, apres 2 ans de service je recevais une fois par an 5% de mon salaire comme bonus si la compagnie montrait des benefices, apres 5 ans on recevait 10%, etc.
Toutes ces conditions sont terminees bien que la compagnie fassent de plus en plus de benefices.
Comme tout bon employe, les pilotes recherchent une reconaissance sous forme d augmentation.
Biensure, ils ne sont pas les seules pilotes a voler par toutes conditions meteorologiques dans des couloirs aeriens tres occupes etc, malgre tout comme tu decouvriras bientot dans ta nouvelle compagnie, le petit et moyen courrier de nos jours sont tres fatiguants.
Tu viens juste de commencer dans un compagnie regionale (subsidiaire D Air France) avec probablement l occase de passer chez Air France, j aimerais bien te voir discuter avec ton "futur Commandant" ex Baron de l' Atlantique d Air France qu il ne doit pas demander d augmentation de salaire parceque il touche deja assez de primes...crois moi, tu ne te feras pas beacoup d amis de cette maniere la.
Dans quelques annees, tu comprendras que de voler pour des cacahuettes ca ne paie pas les factures quand t' as une famille...ce n est pas parceque tu es bien paye qu il ne faut pas revoir les salaires ou conditions a la hausse, surtout quand tu participes activement a la reussite de ta boite.
Quand j ai commence a voler, mon premier chef pilote m'a dit: don't ever piss anybody off on the way up because you will meet them on the way down, et ca mon cher collegue c est le plus grand conseil que moi je puisse te donner en lisant des postings sur Pprune.
Si tu as des questions ou tu veux repondre a mon post n hesite pas a le faire sur mon private mail.
Bonne Chance.
Apres quelques jours de reflexions je me sens dans le besoin de repondre a tes postings plutot ignorants qu autre chose.
Bien que je ne travaille plus chez EZY, j'y ai travaille pendant presque 6 ans.
EZY est une superbe compagnie, qui en effet offre des roles 5/4/5/3 etc, le salaire est en general assez bon, pension etc sont de meme.
Ce qu il faut que tu comprennes, c est que si EZY est une "si boone compagnie" c est en partie/majorite grace a ses pilotes et personels de cabine, ces gens travails dans le plus grand professionalisme et sous pression constante pour que tout fonctionne comme une horloge suisse.
La seule chose que les employes (pas que les pilotes) souhaitent c est une reconnaissance, quand moi je travaillais la, apres 2 ans de service je recevais une fois par an 5% de mon salaire comme bonus si la compagnie montrait des benefices, apres 5 ans on recevait 10%, etc.
Toutes ces conditions sont terminees bien que la compagnie fassent de plus en plus de benefices.
Comme tout bon employe, les pilotes recherchent une reconaissance sous forme d augmentation.
Biensure, ils ne sont pas les seules pilotes a voler par toutes conditions meteorologiques dans des couloirs aeriens tres occupes etc, malgre tout comme tu decouvriras bientot dans ta nouvelle compagnie, le petit et moyen courrier de nos jours sont tres fatiguants.
Tu viens juste de commencer dans un compagnie regionale (subsidiaire D Air France) avec probablement l occase de passer chez Air France, j aimerais bien te voir discuter avec ton "futur Commandant" ex Baron de l' Atlantique d Air France qu il ne doit pas demander d augmentation de salaire parceque il touche deja assez de primes...crois moi, tu ne te feras pas beacoup d amis de cette maniere la.
Dans quelques annees, tu comprendras que de voler pour des cacahuettes ca ne paie pas les factures quand t' as une famille...ce n est pas parceque tu es bien paye qu il ne faut pas revoir les salaires ou conditions a la hausse, surtout quand tu participes activement a la reussite de ta boite.
Quand j ai commence a voler, mon premier chef pilote m'a dit: don't ever piss anybody off on the way up because you will meet them on the way down, et ca mon cher collegue c est le plus grand conseil que moi je puisse te donner en lisant des postings sur Pprune.
Si tu as des questions ou tu veux repondre a mon post n hesite pas a le faire sur mon private mail.
Bonne Chance.
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Lifestyle Issues
Having worked for Easyjet I would have to say that lifestyle improvements would be more important than a big payrise.
None of the above posts have addressed this issue.
Working 5 earlies in a row and then the fatigue of 5 lates with long FDP's is just not sustainable in the long term.
It would be hard to argue that the pay is not reasonable.I am not arguing however that a fair pay rise is not also due.
The lifestyle however is a killer in the long term.
Whilst the economy is running hot and airlines worldwide are expanding it is a make or break time for the improvement of pilot conditions at EZY and many other airlines the world over.
Unity and support for your pilot association is the only way forward.Sadly pilot psyche is easily manipulated by management.A silly post from a French wannabee has already received heated replies rather than knowing when to ignore a trouble maker with no credibility.
Divide and conquer has worked well for many airlines around the world.
Best wishes to all the crews at EZY.Stick to your guns and back BALPA. All pilots stand to gain when you do.
None of the above posts have addressed this issue.
Working 5 earlies in a row and then the fatigue of 5 lates with long FDP's is just not sustainable in the long term.
It would be hard to argue that the pay is not reasonable.I am not arguing however that a fair pay rise is not also due.
The lifestyle however is a killer in the long term.
Whilst the economy is running hot and airlines worldwide are expanding it is a make or break time for the improvement of pilot conditions at EZY and many other airlines the world over.
Unity and support for your pilot association is the only way forward.Sadly pilot psyche is easily manipulated by management.A silly post from a French wannabee has already received heated replies rather than knowing when to ignore a trouble maker with no credibility.
Divide and conquer has worked well for many airlines around the world.
Best wishes to all the crews at EZY.Stick to your guns and back BALPA. All pilots stand to gain when you do.
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Ah tis dissappointing that just because a few people do not agree with the likes of ZBMAN they are dammed to rot in hell. Please remember that this is a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to their say, even the young French chap who flies the CRJ. His point is still valid that we all fly in the same airspace and same weather, however many hours he has.
Now my mate, and yes I do have one, just the one mind (not including the wife) tells me that pay and conditions are pretty good at easy. So perhaps the more well informed can help me out here?
He is in the LHS and gets about 75 grand a year plus around 10 grand sector pay. Oh I nearly forgot, he also gets a bonus of 10% of basic this year as he has been with the company 5 years. So let us call that 93 grand a year.
Oh and I also very nearly forgot as well that he told me he got 2 weeks worth of salary last summer in shares, whats that about 2500 grand (around 2.5% on top of last year's pay rise)? Let us call the total 95 grand ish this year.
He also tells me that given the 5/3/5/4 roster pattern, he gets plenty of time off to spend it.
Now, can someone tell me if there is another low cost airline that pays the same or more AND gives such a good stable roster pattern?
Just wondering that was all.
Now my mate, and yes I do have one, just the one mind (not including the wife) tells me that pay and conditions are pretty good at easy. So perhaps the more well informed can help me out here?
He is in the LHS and gets about 75 grand a year plus around 10 grand sector pay. Oh I nearly forgot, he also gets a bonus of 10% of basic this year as he has been with the company 5 years. So let us call that 93 grand a year.
Oh and I also very nearly forgot as well that he told me he got 2 weeks worth of salary last summer in shares, whats that about 2500 grand (around 2.5% on top of last year's pay rise)? Let us call the total 95 grand ish this year.
He also tells me that given the 5/3/5/4 roster pattern, he gets plenty of time off to spend it.
Now, can someone tell me if there is another low cost airline that pays the same or more AND gives such a good stable roster pattern?
Just wondering that was all.
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Originally Posted by albertoli
His point is still valid that we all fly in the same airspace and same weather, however many hours he has.
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He is in the LHS and gets about 75 grand a year plus around 10 grand sector pay. Oh I nearly forgot, he also gets a bonus of 10% of basic this year as he has been with the company 5 years. So let us call that 93 grand a year.
Many psychologists agree that people get what they feel that they are worth. That's how a beggar is happy with £1,- and that's why many rich people (rightly or wrongly) feel they are worth the mega bucks that they earn.
This also explains why many people who win the lottery will again lose the money they won, simply because their mindset is not in sync with the sudden financial wealth.
I find it sad to see that some people in EZY obviously do not feel worthy of a good salary in return for the hard work we do every day, while management obviously do feel worthy of receiving huge bonuses/share option schemes for the mess they make.
Albertoli.
Your "friend" forgot to tell you the best bits.
7% pension.
No private health care.
850-900hrs a year.
3 months randon rostering each year.
Q1. How many shares did he get this summer...?
Answer, none (yet) we live in hope.
Q2. What will his pay be in 4 years time?
Answer, exactly the same, unless BALPA goes through pay negotiations each time.
Don't misunderstand me there are far worse employers but you need to ask your "friend" some more searching questions.
Your "friend" forgot to tell you the best bits.
7% pension.
No private health care.
850-900hrs a year.
3 months randon rostering each year.
Q1. How many shares did he get this summer...?
Answer, none (yet) we live in hope.
Q2. What will his pay be in 4 years time?
Answer, exactly the same, unless BALPA goes through pay negotiations each time.
Don't misunderstand me there are far worse employers but you need to ask your "friend" some more searching questions.