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Don't you love it when they cherry-pick the best bits. Last time I checked EZY had one of the worst pensions in the industry,crap lol, crap sick pay and no health care. Take all that out of your supposed 93K and see where you end up. I don't know anybody who has recently lifted anywhere near that.
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It's bloody well better than Jet2. We work 6 days on 2 off and nothing like the salary or benefits offered at EZY. 10 days sick at full salary in any 12 month period and then you are on you own.
Oh, and sometimes we get our roster 5 days before the present one runs out - and besides the roster constantly changes so I suppose it doesn't really matter.
Oh, and sometimes we get our roster 5 days before the present one runs out - and besides the roster constantly changes so I suppose it doesn't really matter.
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Have to agree with toolonginthe cruise.... lifestyle is the issue for me. I'd be happy with a rpi salary increase if we could do less of the FDP's that we do! 5 lates of 10 hour plus duty days, 4 sectors with 25 minute turnarounds are no good for a long term career.... hopefully this is what the latest cc bulletin was hinting at today.
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Well, your remark is a tad superficial... You could ask me "what do you think does make a pilot soo "special"... and there we are, once more, having to defend ourselves... so here, just a couple of reasons I can think of right now that differentiate mr Pilot from others:
- Most of us are fully self funded professionals
- We bring a set of qualities, mental and physical
- We cannot work at less than 100% engagement
- We have to constantly demonstrate that our skills have not eroded (sim)
- We have to make decisions in split decisions (no time to get into the books)
- We suffer from known discomforts related to flying
- Statistics show pilots don't age very well past pension age
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Most of us know the feeling (maybe too well) of working for these kind of companies, well that's the reason most people will change company over the years, the grass is always greener...
live 2 fly 2 live
A pilot is no more or less important than an engineer, a cleaner, a marketeer etc etc.
- Most of us are fully self funded professionals
- We bring a set of qualities, mental and physical
- We cannot work at less than 100% engagement
- We have to constantly demonstrate that our skills have not eroded (sim)
- We have to make decisions in split decisions (no time to get into the books)
- We suffer from known discomforts related to flying
- Statistics show pilots don't age very well past pension age
no sponsor
Most of us know the feeling (maybe too well) of working for these kind of companies, well that's the reason most people will change company over the years, the grass is always greener...
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Nevertheless he has a point.
. But not all and indeed many other professionals are also self funded.
. You think that is a difference ?
. Oh yes we can, and like others often do. Not sure how long you have been doing this, but just read about fatigue, CRM, errors etc and you will quickly realize how untrue that line is as a statement of fact.
. In fact we often demonstrate how "our skills" have eroded. That is why we have continuous training and refreshers in both the sim and on the ground. It is the awareness of such things that should be the first step in correcting and improving our performance.
. I am guessing you mean decisions in split seconds ? However that is often the case in other occupations as well. In fact many (most) decisions do not have to be made in split seconds, and it the ablity to recognise that point that often shows a higher degree of judgement.
. I am sure there are many jobs with discomforts related to their particular environment. Serving soldier rather springs to mind.
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Ah yes, statistics. Is that the statistics for those who retire at 55, or those who retire at 60 or those who retire at 65. Are the statitiscs relevant to any other particular occupation group that retire at those same age bands ?
It is rather unsafe to be deluded by a sense of your own self importance vis-a-vis other people in other occupations.
Pilots are not dissimilar to a variety of other occupations. We are subject to the vagaries of the laws of supply & demand and any distortions therein. Pilots have a trained skill that places them in a position that may make them irreplaceable in the short term. However that isn't much different from many other occupations.
Most of us are fully self funded professionals
We bring a set of qualities, mental and physical
We cannot work at less than 100% engagement
We have to constantly demonstrate that our skills have not eroded
We have to make decisions in split decisions (no time to get into the books)
We suffer from known discomforts related to flying
Statistics show pilots don't age very well past pension age
Ah yes, statistics. Is that the statistics for those who retire at 55, or those who retire at 60 or those who retire at 65. Are the statitiscs relevant to any other particular occupation group that retire at those same age bands ?
It is rather unsafe to be deluded by a sense of your own self importance vis-a-vis other people in other occupations.
Pilots are not dissimilar to a variety of other occupations. We are subject to the vagaries of the laws of supply & demand and any distortions therein. Pilots have a trained skill that places them in a position that may make them irreplaceable in the short term. However that isn't much different from many other occupations.
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Post-early nr 5 hallucination
Hang on, I can hear something....
I know what it is... it is the beautifull sound of a harp...
Ah I can see it now, it's an orange harp.. and there's a dutch bloke playing it..
But hang on, it's not strings he's using, he's playing stretched pilots...
He's got a big smile on his face and he's thinking:
Damn did I make a good entrance into this company! Record profits and those silly pilots settle for a 20 quid a month effective payrise for F/O's and 40 quid a month for Captains. And they didn't even vote against it, because I bullied the CC into recommending it
His smile gets even bigger and then he starts to sing:
This big fat bonus I'll get will make me a retirement fund, while those annoying pilots will work for Mcdonalds if they ever make it to retirement age...
(I know it doesn't rime but poetry is not generally the first thing people mention when they think of Holland
)
The sad vision is fading as his stretched strings brake and he throws away his harp to find another instrument to play for his own good...
I know what it is... it is the beautifull sound of a harp...
Ah I can see it now, it's an orange harp.. and there's a dutch bloke playing it..
But hang on, it's not strings he's using, he's playing stretched pilots...
He's got a big smile on his face and he's thinking:
Damn did I make a good entrance into this company! Record profits and those silly pilots settle for a 20 quid a month effective payrise for F/O's and 40 quid a month for Captains. And they didn't even vote against it, because I bullied the CC into recommending it
His smile gets even bigger and then he starts to sing:
This big fat bonus I'll get will make me a retirement fund, while those annoying pilots will work for Mcdonalds if they ever make it to retirement age...
(I know it doesn't rime but poetry is not generally the first thing people mention when they think of Holland
)The sad vision is fading as his stretched strings brake and he throws away his harp to find another instrument to play for his own good...
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Certainly not a career airline Easy, too much like bloody hard work if you ask me. 30 years or so of that and you wont see retirement. You're now victims of your own success, which was inevitable. Low cost has damaged airline career pay and terms/conditions considerably.
If you continue to work such hours then be prepared to take it to down to the wire and strike. I'd fully support your actions as would any other sensibly - minded jet jock.
If you continue to work such hours then be prepared to take it to down to the wire and strike. I'd fully support your actions as would any other sensibly - minded jet jock.
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ZeBedie...
Well Zebedie!!! You have now raised your pinkies to hijack another thread relating to negotiations between management and the work force!!!
Have you got some kind of chip on your should, or are you a wannabe who likes to write the talk? Please don`t answer I`m not interested!!
Or maybe you can work for both Easy and Monarch at the same time on your flight SIM.
PS....
Easy guys / girls it will go the ACAS route regardless of hanging out any dirty washing on here.
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Have you got some kind of chip on your should, or are you a wannabe who likes to write the talk? Please don`t answer I`m not interested!!
Or maybe you can work for both Easy and Monarch at the same time on your flight SIM.
PS....
Easy guys / girls it will go the ACAS route regardless of hanging out any dirty washing on here.
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Ah Airbrake
I take your point but.....
He is in the LHS and gets about 75 grand a year plus around 10 grand sector pay. Oh I nearly forgot, he also gets a bonus of 10% of basic this year as he has been with the company 5 years. So let us call that 93 grand a year.
Oh and I also very nearly forgot as well that he told me he got 2 weeks worth of salary last summer in shares, whats that about 2500 grand (around 2.5% on top of last year's pay rise)? Let us call the total 95 grand ish this year.
He also tells me that given the 5/3/5/4 roster pattern, he gets plenty of time off to spend it.
Given what I have said above is there any other low cost airline that gives all of this and.....
More than 7% pension.
and
Private health care.
and
Less than 850-900hrs a year.(I believe very few are actually doing this!)
and
no randon rostering at all.
and
Share options Have the company not already given various share options throughout the years?
and
Can tell me what I will be paid in 4 years time, let alone still be employed.
If there is can you please let us all know!!!!!!
I take your point but.....
He is in the LHS and gets about 75 grand a year plus around 10 grand sector pay. Oh I nearly forgot, he also gets a bonus of 10% of basic this year as he has been with the company 5 years. So let us call that 93 grand a year.
Oh and I also very nearly forgot as well that he told me he got 2 weeks worth of salary last summer in shares, whats that about 2500 grand (around 2.5% on top of last year's pay rise)? Let us call the total 95 grand ish this year.
He also tells me that given the 5/3/5/4 roster pattern, he gets plenty of time off to spend it.
Given what I have said above is there any other low cost airline that gives all of this and.....
More than 7% pension.
and
Private health care.
and
Less than 850-900hrs a year.(I believe very few are actually doing this!)
and
no randon rostering at all.
and
Share options Have the company not already given various share options throughout the years?
and
Can tell me what I will be paid in 4 years time, let alone still be employed.
If there is can you please let us all know!!!!!!
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ALBERTOLI,
you talk like management. Big words, not knowing the details!
Only if you subtract it from your paydeal increase individual to the pension fund
Hello, where?????
Your good friend is lucky, 850hrs is a common number
B..s...it! Nearly 3 month reserve with random rostering, if bad luck loosing vacation days
This year reaching probably the performance targets, to execute the options, not at various years!!
ALBERTOLI, give up to make it looking gold, if it is just common bronze!
you talk like management. Big words, not knowing the details!
More than 7% pension.
Private health care.
Less than 850-900hrs a year.(
Your good friend is lucky, 850hrs is a common number
no random rostering at all.
B..s...it! Nearly 3 month reserve with random rostering, if bad luck loosing vacation days
various share options throughout the years?
This year reaching probably the performance targets, to execute the options, not at various years!!
ALBERTOLI, give up to make it looking gold, if it is just common bronze!
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I doubt very much that anybody wanting to work for easyJet has bothered to read this far, but if they have I can tell them that it's a good place to be.
In the last year I flew 760 hours, earned £98000, made £8000 profit on some share options and had nothing much to complain about.
The deal will almost certainly get accepted then we can all get back to enjoying our flying.
In the last year I flew 760 hours, earned £98000, made £8000 profit on some share options and had nothing much to complain about.
The deal will almost certainly get accepted then we can all get back to enjoying our flying.
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staff travel...ridicolous
yeah but nobody talks about staff travel...
Everyone is so concerned about earning maybe 20 stg more a month BUT NOBODY CARE about who is spending around 800 pounds a year for going home... (Not in holiday!!!)
EasyJet is becoming day after day an European company, like the main competitor RYR, but the difference is that they can commute and we don't!!!
True, the company is not too bad but there is still a lot work to do in this direction...Even if nobody in BALPA seems to be too worried about it...
We are paying a not cheap subscription as well...
Everyone is so concerned about earning maybe 20 stg more a month BUT NOBODY CARE about who is spending around 800 pounds a year for going home... (Not in holiday!!!)
EasyJet is becoming day after day an European company, like the main competitor RYR, but the difference is that they can commute and we don't!!!
True, the company is not too bad but there is still a lot work to do in this direction...Even if nobody in BALPA seems to be too worried about it...
We are paying a not cheap subscription as well...
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I understand your desire for STAFF TRAVEL.
But it was not at the high ranking issue for this years negotiations (result of the survey).
I am just astonished (regarding a strike, maybe!) that a lot of people say. "we can not risk" this for 1%.
And the lovely COO says: "We are not returning to the table for negotiations, before you are really on strike!"
Never ever!!! I want so see this guy explaining to the members of the PLC board incl Stelios, that a strike is taking place just for 1%, not giving to the pilots??
The damage to EZY for 1%, financially and customer orientated, would be much higher! Management is gambling high!
This is not because of 1%, this is because of the future way of EZY negotiations. It is because, who is ruling the direction (power)
The next battle lots are waiting for (2years) BALPA members will be reduced due to local contracts.
And than a strike, I wonder! If the guys in UK try to strike, the "local contract bases" will still fly"
A "EZY Germany" on strike? HaHa! will be covered by all other bases!
Waiting for the next battle means for me: Battle lost already!
Good luck to us all!
My two cents!
I
But it was not at the high ranking issue for this years negotiations (result of the survey).
I am just astonished (regarding a strike, maybe!) that a lot of people say. "we can not risk" this for 1%.
And the lovely COO says: "We are not returning to the table for negotiations, before you are really on strike!"
Never ever!!! I want so see this guy explaining to the members of the PLC board incl Stelios, that a strike is taking place just for 1%, not giving to the pilots??
The damage to EZY for 1%, financially and customer orientated, would be much higher! Management is gambling high!
This is not because of 1%, this is because of the future way of EZY negotiations. It is because, who is ruling the direction (power)
The next battle lots are waiting for (2years) BALPA members will be reduced due to local contracts.
And than a strike, I wonder! If the guys in UK try to strike, the "local contract bases" will still fly"
A "EZY Germany" on strike? HaHa! will be covered by all other bases!
Waiting for the next battle means for me: Battle lost already!
Good luck to us all!
My two cents!
I
With the latest offer on the table I`m personally not in favour of a strike anymore. I find it very interesting though, that our fellow colleagues in Ireland have announced a strike to help out the guys being based in Northern Ireland. Howcome they are so united with regards to contractual issues when we aren`t?
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When on local contracts,finally local laws will apply. This means, the local union will be taking over.
Although, there may be a "connection" between the unions, you will hardly be able to strike "together", i.e. VC and BALPA.
The long term strategy of EZY will be to split the pilot community!
You are happy with this deal, come back in two years and than I ask you again!
Most of you are still underestimating the new COO! He will lead the battle.
AH WILL STAY IN THE BACKGROUND1
When on local contracts,finally local laws will apply. This means, the local union will be taking over.
Although, there may be a "connection" between the unions, you will hardly be able to strike "together", i.e. VC and BALPA.
The long term strategy of EZY will be to split the pilot community!
You are happy with this deal, come back in two years and than I ask you again!
Most of you are still underestimating the new COO! He will lead the battle.
AH WILL STAY IN THE BACKGROUND1