The Irish invite US pilots to work in Europe...
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Originally Posted by MOR
How do you get "anti-American" from that? In any case, this has nothing to do with Americans, it's to do with the Irish.
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Apparently the Irish CAA has now decided that it is perfectly OK to allow the Mesaba crews to follow their aircraft to Ireland and fly around Europe, under what is little more than a flag of convenience.
Naturally, Irish (or European) pilots would never be allowed reciprocal rights. I see this as a dangerous precedent, particularly as the US is so agressively protectionist.
Naturally, Irish (or European) pilots would never be allowed reciprocal rights. I see this as a dangerous precedent, particularly as the US is so agressively protectionist.
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I have spoken directly to the agencies, who are simply regurgitating what they have been told by their client. You don't have to be "management" to be able to read a memo - although these people are management-level. Not good enough for you?
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I am, but that isn't the point. The point is that Cityjet are engineering a position that allows them to hire cheap US labour on the basis of a faulty picture of the pool of available pilots. I said all this already.
If you are typed and current on the 146 as a TRE and SFI, you may wish to donate some of your time to get your buds recurrent and requalified on the 146. Discuss the issue with a training facility that has a 146 regarding hourly prices for simulators. See if the IAA would be agreeable to such a plan. From what I understand they are resonable chaps.
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In the 20 years I have been involved in airline flying, I must have trained 40 or 50 foreign nationals for pilot positions in airlines I have worked for. Very few of them lasted a year before they went home (mostly Canadians).
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Captain BAe146 over 2000 hrs command but last flight Jun 05!!
Just had the 'no thank you' with 'no reason' from Sigmar.
great excuse to welcome the Americans and get one over on the Brits!!
yes getting cynical in my old age
Captain BAe146 over 2000 hrs command but last flight Jun 05!!
Just had the 'no thank you' with 'no reason' from Sigmar.
great excuse to welcome the Americans and get one over on the Brits!!
yes getting cynical in my old age
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From your original posting... I guess.
No! It's hear say. Show us the so-called memo on the company's letterhead that supports your claim.
Many of us know whats going on, read the post above. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go right ahead.
If you are typed and current on the 146 as a TRE and SFI, you may wish to donate some of your time to get your buds recurrent and requalified on the 146. Discuss the issue with a training facility that has a 146 regarding hourly prices for simulators. See if the IAA would be agreeable to such a plan. From what I understand they are resonable chaps.
I'm sure you are just arguing for the sake of it. I can respect that, it's good fun. But if you don't get how this disadvantages EU pilots, I can only surmise that you are an American with no regard for your Euro colleagues.
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Originally Posted by MOR
I'm sure you are just arguing for the sake of it. I can respect that, it's good fun. But if you don't get how this disadvantages EU pilots, I can only surmise that you are an American with no regard for your Euro colleagues.
I am tired of people not backing up their statements with written testimonials from such employment agencies in Ireland, and that the EEOC equivelant would stand for such discrimination. So rather then telling me to stick my head in the sand... come up with the proof... or knock off the belly aching.
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Oh grow up, will you. You know as well as I do that neither the company nor the agency will produce anything in writing to anybody outside their respective organisations. That doesn't mean that the course of action is not occurring. To take the view that it isn't happening because I can't produce written proof is so completely naive as to defy description.
It's like saying "please provide written proof that the government is not considering a tax increase". Can't produce it? Ah well, they must be planning a tax rise then! Nothing more than sophistry.
It's like saying "please provide written proof that the government is not considering a tax increase". Can't produce it? Ah well, they must be planning a tax rise then! Nothing more than sophistry.
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I see you deleted the post by the guy who wanted to kick all the Americans out of Europe. Come on...that was some of the best stuff I've read on this forum. Your country gave the world Monty Python and Benny Hill...appreciate the good stuff when you read it !!
I figure it was a cry for help: the guy married a fat, ugly American chick thinking it was the route to a job in the US...the job fell through but he's still stuck with the fat, ugly American chick. Now THAT is funny.
I see you deleted the post by the guy who wanted to kick all the Americans out of Europe. Come on...that was some of the best stuff I've read on this forum. Your country gave the world Monty Python and Benny Hill...appreciate the good stuff when you read it !!
I figure it was a cry for help: the guy married a fat, ugly American chick thinking it was the route to a job in the US...the job fell through but he's still stuck with the fat, ugly American chick. Now THAT is funny.
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Originally Posted by MOR
Oh grow up, will you. You know as well as I do that neither the company nor the agency will produce anything in writing to anybody outside their respective organisations. That doesn't mean that the course of action is not occurring. To take the view that it isn't happening because I can't produce written proof is so completely naive as to defy description.
I'm sure it will make you the big man on campus. You must be something special if you can't get a job in Europe with the pilot shortage that exists.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
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I see you deleted the post by the guy who wanted to kick all the Americans out of Europe. Come on...that was some of the best stuff I've read on this forum. Your country gave the world Monty Python and Benny Hill...appreciate the good stuff when you read it !!
I figure it was a cry for help: the guy married a fat, ugly American chick thinking it was the route to a job in the US...the job fell through but he's still stuck with the fat, ugly American chick. Now THAT is funny.
I see you deleted the post by the guy who wanted to kick all the Americans out of Europe. Come on...that was some of the best stuff I've read on this forum. Your country gave the world Monty Python and Benny Hill...appreciate the good stuff when you read it !!
I figure it was a cry for help: the guy married a fat, ugly American chick thinking it was the route to a job in the US...the job fell through but he's still stuck with the fat, ugly American chick. Now THAT is funny.
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You can only fly on the validation for a year. You must "convert" to a JAA license within 12 months. Meaning you have to take the 14 JAA written exams. Not an easy task with a full time pilot job. There are several European companies who offer jobs to FAA licensed pilots but you will be terminated if you don't pass the 14 exams within 12 months.
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At one point a few years ago, there was talk of the ICAO allowing an ATP issued by any member state to be accepted by all members. That was before the JAA 14 part nightmare came into existance.
That clearly died on someone's desk.
But I have a question--Why do you believe the U.S. is so much more protectionist than the EU (or even Canada)? I have absolutely NO chance of gaining employment in the EU (other than with an Irish airline...
) because I don't have the right to work there.
Why is that different than the U.S.? TC
That clearly died on someone's desk.
But I have a question--Why do you believe the U.S. is so much more protectionist than the EU (or even Canada)? I have absolutely NO chance of gaining employment in the EU (other than with an Irish airline...
) because I don't have the right to work there.Why is that different than the U.S.? TC
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Well put. I guess that guy is pissed off because the glory days of cheap flight courses and jobs are over for the time being. Oh well.
Maybe he'll be back to fire off another barrage shortly. He certainly seems motivated.
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captjns,
Maybe he'll be back to fire off another barrage shortly. He certainly seems motivated.
Maybe he'll be back to fire off another barrage shortly. He certainly seems motivated.
Pinnacle Airlines hired a fair selection of foreign pilots years ago, whether Nederlands (lady), South African, Canadian, Middle East, Scandinavian or English (!).
The English guy had joined either the Army NG or Army Reserve before he earned his pilot licenses. He made a decision to join the military and work with helicopters, accepting potential physical risk, to hope for a long-term opportunity. I asked him about the higher-paying jobs in Britain on similar aircraft types, and he told me that the much higher British taxes and cost of living leave pilots in a worse financial condition than over here in the US. That surprised me.
At least many of these pilots were somehow 'sponsored', whatever that is. Some had instructed at an int'l aviation school which suddenly
and mysteriously filed for bankruptcy. I have a German friend who instructed "there" and then flew cargo but quit the freight-dog and flying business for good.
I met many of them and just flew today with one of them, who is Swedish, and he seems to speak a strange language on his cell phone. He said that he had the possibility years ago to interview with DragonAir in Hong Kong. My company now has pilots from many of those areas (even Trinidad) plus a French pilot, but I have no idea about other airlines. Just saw the French guy last night near a crewbase "wailing wall". Quite a number of Cabin Crew are also from other lands.
Whether marriage to an 'Ami' Chick was a factor, that I know not.
It is understandable and very frustrating to be a new pilot in a very bloated market and crave any flying job, in order to reach another career stepping stone. Can many of you guys/gals hope for an interview with a small company in the Pacific Rim? I wish you all good luck wherever, and safe flying.
Aeddi/adjo.
The English guy had joined either the Army NG or Army Reserve before he earned his pilot licenses. He made a decision to join the military and work with helicopters, accepting potential physical risk, to hope for a long-term opportunity. I asked him about the higher-paying jobs in Britain on similar aircraft types, and he told me that the much higher British taxes and cost of living leave pilots in a worse financial condition than over here in the US. That surprised me.
At least many of these pilots were somehow 'sponsored', whatever that is. Some had instructed at an int'l aviation school which suddenly
and mysteriously filed for bankruptcy. I have a German friend who instructed "there" and then flew cargo but quit the freight-dog and flying business for good.I met many of them and just flew today with one of them, who is Swedish, and he seems to speak a strange language on his cell phone. He said that he had the possibility years ago to interview with DragonAir in Hong Kong. My company now has pilots from many of those areas (even Trinidad) plus a French pilot, but I have no idea about other airlines. Just saw the French guy last night near a crewbase "wailing wall". Quite a number of Cabin Crew are also from other lands.
Whether marriage to an 'Ami' Chick was a factor, that I know not.
It is understandable and very frustrating to be a new pilot in a very bloated market and crave any flying job, in order to reach another career stepping stone. Can many of you guys/gals hope for an interview with a small company in the Pacific Rim? I wish you all good luck wherever, and safe flying.
Aeddi/adjo.
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You must be something special if you can't get a job in Europe with the pilot shortage that exists.
As for 'chest beating"... your arrogance is exceeded only by your lack of comprehension.
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Originally Posted by filejw
Racer , If your a high time guy its not 14 more like 3 .. can't remember exactly..
I only have an FAA ATP 4500 tt, B737NG and EMB-145 type ratings. Currently flying a B737-800 internationally. I still have to take the 14 written exams.
I basically have to start from scratch if i want to fly in Europe. I guess the European registerd airplanes are a lot harder to fly then the N registered airplanes even though most of them are made in Seattle
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Good morning Mr. MOR
No I want to see if I have this straight…
You open up this thread with:
F/Y/I The Irish don't have a CAA… it’s the Irish Aviation Authority.
And now for the $64,000 question if you are in the US, £34,570 if you are British, and €49,914 if you are not British or residing in the US… please do share with us… and do tell what better part of the world you are flying in today. And what national did you displace so you could secure some form of employment… even is you are not a pilot or in the airline industry for that matter?
I need to know what the difference is in your situation in your better part of the world, or a foreign national seeking employment in Europe? Do I detect a double standard here?
Oh by the way if you respond… please don’t default to the usual lack comprehension, arrogance phrases, and what not phrases.
No I want to see if I have this straight…
You open up this thread with:
Originally Posted by MOR
Apparently the Irish CAA has now decided that it is perfectly OK to allow the Mesaba crews to follow their aircraft to Ireland and fly around Europe, under what is little more than a flag of convenience.
Naturally, Irish (or European) pilots would never be allowed reciprocal rights
Naturally, Irish (or European) pilots would never be allowed reciprocal rights
And now for the $64,000 question if you are in the US, £34,570 if you are British, and €49,914 if you are not British or residing in the US… please do share with us… and do tell what better part of the world you are flying in today. And what national did you displace so you could secure some form of employment… even is you are not a pilot or in the airline industry for that matter?
Originally Posted by MOR
The point is that Cityjet are engineering a position that allows them to hire cheap US labour on the basis of a faulty picture of the pool of available pilots
Oh by the way if you respond… please don’t default to the usual lack comprehension, arrogance phrases, and what not phrases.
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and do tell what better part of the world you are flying in today. And what national did you displace so you could secure some form of employment… even is you are not a pilot or in the airline industry for that matter?
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I have never worked in a country of which I was not either a citizen, or in possession of the right to work (ie the EU).