The Irish invite US pilots to work in Europe...
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Surely a lack of suitably qualified pilots in Europe allows for Pilots from elsewhere to be 'imported' same as anywhere else in the world for jobs that can't be filled, look locally and then advertise internationally etc..
they are not looking in the US for the sake of it.. they are looking there because they cannot get European BAe146/AvroRJ pilots. Supply and demand, simple.
i.e. trying to attract EU candidates at a lower than EU market rate. Now they are looking offshore because THEY DONT WANT TOO PAY the market rates
Now that is simple
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Hi,
I do happen to know that there is a shortage of BAe146 rated drivers, according to a friend of mine in the 'agency' they can't find Europeans for love nor money..
I don't think the salaries are too bad.. i.e. for what for instance a BAe146 Skipper would receive elsewhere in Europe... I would agree normally about demand artificially exceeding supply, but not in this case!
Just my two cents though!
I do happen to know that there is a shortage of BAe146 rated drivers, according to a friend of mine in the 'agency' they can't find Europeans for love nor money..
I don't think the salaries are too bad.. i.e. for what for instance a BAe146 Skipper would receive elsewhere in Europe... I would agree normally about demand artificially exceeding supply, but not in this case!
Just my two cents though!
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haughtney1,
I called an old colleague of mine now working with Cityjet and he told me what the salaries are on offer. They are market rate salaries for Europe or slightly above in fact. They are at B737NG level for JAR crews. plus you get accomodation and transport thrown in???
Hardly bottom of the barrel stuff.
What you're saying on this thread is quite simply false I can now see. Why spread BS like this around? Why not simple accept that there is a shortage of JAR qualified 146 crews? All 146 operators in Europe are looking for crews, FlyBE, TNT...... Are you trying to tell us all here that there are in fact qualified crews and they are in fact sitting at home scratching their asses and would prefer to be unemployed then work for these "low salaries"?
Come on now haughtney1!! People ain't stoopid!
I called an old colleague of mine now working with Cityjet and he told me what the salaries are on offer. They are market rate salaries for Europe or slightly above in fact. They are at B737NG level for JAR crews. plus you get accomodation and transport thrown in???
Hardly bottom of the barrel stuff.
What you're saying on this thread is quite simply false I can now see. Why spread BS like this around? Why not simple accept that there is a shortage of JAR qualified 146 crews? All 146 operators in Europe are looking for crews, FlyBE, TNT...... Are you trying to tell us all here that there are in fact qualified crews and they are in fact sitting at home scratching their asses and would prefer to be unemployed then work for these "low salaries"?
Come on now haughtney1!! People ain't stoopid!
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so quick question.... can expats, lets say americans, just come over here, the UK, and work, lets say for Ryanair, do they need a work permit?
is it easy or not. Having read the whole thread, which is an effort, I agree wholeheartedly with MOR, the business of the US 146 drivers coming over is a scandal........we cant go to the states and get a job........
is it easy or not. Having read the whole thread, which is an effort, I agree wholeheartedly with MOR, the business of the US 146 drivers coming over is a scandal........we cant go to the states and get a job........
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Ah come on, have a bit of cop on, there are little or NO BAe146 crews available in Europe. What are they supposed to do? ''Ahh sure, we'll shut down the airline'' Same as there are Doctors and Nurses of all nationalities filling the corridors of Irish hospitals, they are there because there is a LACK OF SUITABLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE.
Do you not think they would rather have European crew members where they didn't have to go through the expense of work permits, tickets home blah blah blah?
Ah come on, have a bit of cop on, there are little or NO BAe146 crews available in Europe. What are they supposed to do? ''Ahh sure, we'll shut down the airline'' Same as there are Doctors and Nurses of all nationalities filling the corridors of Irish hospitals, they are there because there is a LACK OF SUITABLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE.
Do you not think they would rather have European crew members where they didn't have to go through the expense of work permits, tickets home blah blah blah?
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Well I must just wade in here and say that I agree wholeheartedly with MOR, although not for the same reasons. I am more concerned with the precedents that are being set.
Also, there is some complete bollocks being put about here. I am still pretty close to the 146 scene, and I can tell you that none of the UK 146 operators are hiring. flybe took a few short-term contract guys to fill a hole, but there is no 146 recruitment there and there hasn't been since last year. A quick call to Flightline and Titan reveals that they aren't hiring either. That just leaves BA loco, and I seriously doubt that they are hiring for the 146.
I don't think that Europe is awash with 146 crews either, but I do know a number of guys who are rated and who have been rejected by Cityjet. I also know, from a contact I have in Cityjet, that they have made a couple of trips to the US to brief and prepare a "significant number" of US-licensed recruits. I don't know the actual number, but the inference is about 40.
Also, there is some complete bollocks being put about here. I am still pretty close to the 146 scene, and I can tell you that none of the UK 146 operators are hiring. flybe took a few short-term contract guys to fill a hole, but there is no 146 recruitment there and there hasn't been since last year. A quick call to Flightline and Titan reveals that they aren't hiring either. That just leaves BA loco, and I seriously doubt that they are hiring for the 146.
I don't think that Europe is awash with 146 crews either, but I do know a number of guys who are rated and who have been rejected by Cityjet. I also know, from a contact I have in Cityjet, that they have made a couple of trips to the US to brief and prepare a "significant number" of US-licensed recruits. I don't know the actual number, but the inference is about 40.
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What you're saying on this thread is quite simply false I can now see. Why spread BS like this around? Why not simple accept that there is a shortage of JAR qualified 146 crews? All 146 operators in Europe are looking for crews, FlyBE, TNT...... Are you trying to tell us all here that there are in fact qualified crews and they are in fact sitting at home scratching their asses and would prefer to be unemployed then work for these "low salaries"?
With regards to your recruiting companies..i.e. sooo many 146 jobs about causing a shortage, read the previous post, it sums it up rather nicely
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I just flew with a guy from Cityjet and he said it was a horrible place to work. Treatment of the cews etc... I think the U.S. guys won't put up with what he was telling me for too long or the managament won't put up with the very unionized pilot's of Mesaba. They have been through enough crap and won't take any BS for one minute. So I would not worry about too many Gwylos hanging around for too long especially with the money at Ryanair. If you are going to work in Europe and for crap conditions why not work for Ryanair. Seems to me the jobs the American's are taking are the ones nobody wants so what's the problem??? Hey what do I know anyway.
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Just a question about Cityjet, if they are searching Pilots everywhere by another way, why are they still interviewing EU pilots by there own......
I was called for interview during the mid July for a pilot position and am waiting for the answer.........
I was called for interview during the mid July for a pilot position and am waiting for the answer.........
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The Irish scene, maybe. Fact is that the others aren't hiring, and I got that from the horses mouth.
Perhaps you would like to indicate who is hiring? And why they would lie over the phone?
The Irish scene, maybe. Fact is that the others aren't hiring, and I got that from the horses mouth.
Perhaps you would like to indicate who is hiring? And why they would lie over the phone?
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... and to all those who deny that Cityjet are taking on a bunch of US pilots - have a read of this thread...
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235735
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235735
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Originally Posted by Raw Data
... and to all those who deny that Cityjet are taking on a bunch of US pilots - have a read of this thread...
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235735
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235735
Pilots in the US are tired of being treated like merde, pardon the pun. Do you honestly think that being abused in a foreign country makes any job any better?
Once Cityjet has exhausted their list of current qualified pilots who can qualify for an OCC, then they will search for the next tier of pilots to fly for them.
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Not to belabour the point, but according to you:
hmmm.... seems as though MOR was a lot closer to the truth after all...
Not to belabour the point, but according to you:
No one is going to uproot themselves, let alone their families to come to fly for Cityjet to experience the same treatment.
so far there are no bites from the Mesaba group coming over to Europe... Like I said pilots are not going to go from one low paying job to another one.
Checked with the Mesaba group... no takers.
While the Mesaba jets maybe going to Europe, the pilots are going on to bigger and better in the US or Emirates for that matter.
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Originally Posted by Raw Data
captnjs
hmmm.... seems as though MOR was a lot closer to the truth after all...
hmmm.... seems as though MOR was a lot closer to the truth after all...
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Is there a specific contract being offered the Yanks and for how long? For example, is it a 2 year contract with recurrent training (if you already have Avro experience)? I can see why Yank pilot would want to come over and spend 2 years (or more) flying around Europe. The US airline industry is in shambles and it is difficult to get on with legacy carriers there that are in bankruptcy...
Flying in Europe for a few years would probably be seen as a vacation to those guys.
Flying in Europe for a few years would probably be seen as a vacation to those guys.