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From abused:
"Refering to non applicable Mel's
Not writing the snags in logbook's
Writing off remarks that reappears again and again with "not duplicated on gnd"
Sending ac away from mainbase with known snags which causes aog further down the line
Having pages missing in AOM's"
These are par for the course for any airline or military outfit "real" or "unreal". It's called human error and if you think it won't happen to you, review your CRM text. If they do occur, aircrew are paid to fix them. Try an ASR, Comd's Report, personal action or just catch a cab back to the hotel; they work for me.
As for the AAI MX, my experience is that they achieve a high standard of aircraft serviceability and on time dispatch for a disperse fleet in the most attrocious work conditions. They are happy to fly a turnaround to identify flight symptoms and discuss snags in detail for diagnosis. They certainly know the MELs and I have seen no abuse that I have personnaly overlooked. Most of the guys I know wouldn't knowingly clear an unserviceable airplane to the line.
AAI is not a nursery for the depressed it is the Legion Estrangere of airline contractors and it's list of customer airlines proves that it's people do the job.
Air Atlanta IS/UK knocking is a well known trait of the disgruntled and detracts from their credibility. Petals, if it is too hot in the kitchen or the pay won't buy you love and happiness it is time to pursue your other "opportunities".
"Refering to non applicable Mel's
Not writing the snags in logbook's
Writing off remarks that reappears again and again with "not duplicated on gnd"
Sending ac away from mainbase with known snags which causes aog further down the line
Having pages missing in AOM's"
These are par for the course for any airline or military outfit "real" or "unreal". It's called human error and if you think it won't happen to you, review your CRM text. If they do occur, aircrew are paid to fix them. Try an ASR, Comd's Report, personal action or just catch a cab back to the hotel; they work for me.
As for the AAI MX, my experience is that they achieve a high standard of aircraft serviceability and on time dispatch for a disperse fleet in the most attrocious work conditions. They are happy to fly a turnaround to identify flight symptoms and discuss snags in detail for diagnosis. They certainly know the MELs and I have seen no abuse that I have personnaly overlooked. Most of the guys I know wouldn't knowingly clear an unserviceable airplane to the line.
AAI is not a nursery for the depressed it is the Legion Estrangere of airline contractors and it's list of customer airlines proves that it's people do the job.
Air Atlanta IS/UK knocking is a well known trait of the disgruntled and detracts from their credibility. Petals, if it is too hot in the kitchen or the pay won't buy you love and happiness it is time to pursue your other "opportunities".
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abused,i think all of your points have been adequately answered by others but a few points from me:
My experience as follows: 13 years RAF,since leaving in 1999,worked for SAS,LH,KLM,GF,LX also Southern air transport and Polar air cargo.
JARs do not specify ratio of Licensed engineer to aircraft they only say "sufficient" which imho is wrong.
In summary,in my time with AAI i was never pressurised into signing anything I was not happy with.
And FYI I was fired by AAi so have no reason to defend them but facts are facts.
I also agree if you are not comfortable with AAI you should go elsewhere as the airline does not revolve around you and if you look on these posts you are the only one complaining about AAI MX.
As for the allegation that the ICAA is in the pocket of AAI if you have any specific details of this(and I suspect you do not)then you should make them known to the JAA.
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My experience as follows: 13 years RAF,since leaving in 1999,worked for SAS,LH,KLM,GF,LX also Southern air transport and Polar air cargo.
JARs do not specify ratio of Licensed engineer to aircraft they only say "sufficient" which imho is wrong.
In summary,in my time with AAI i was never pressurised into signing anything I was not happy with.
And FYI I was fired by AAi so have no reason to defend them but facts are facts.
I also agree if you are not comfortable with AAI you should go elsewhere as the airline does not revolve around you and if you look on these posts you are the only one complaining about AAI MX.
As for the allegation that the ICAA is in the pocket of AAI if you have any specific details of this(and I suspect you do not)then you should make them known to the JAA.
Brgds
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The easiest and cheapest way to "achieve a high standard of aircraft serviceability and on time dispatch" is exactly the "creative" approach to MEL and "clean" logbook 
I'm not talking about AAI (I don't have first hand info regarding their MX), but I know several outfits who maintain something like 99.9999999% dispatch reliability on c**p equipment in such way.
Just my $0.02
As for the AAI MX, my experience is that they achieve a high standard of aircraft serviceability and on time dispatch for a disperse fleet in the most attrocious work conditions
I'm not talking about AAI (I don't have first hand info regarding their MX), but I know several outfits who maintain something like 99.9999999% dispatch reliability on c**p equipment in such way.
Just my $0.02
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Just hold on there MATKAT....
You must be joking when you say everything is A-OK at AAI being either in MX,FLTDECK or OPS.. Either you are on the take at AAI or you are just plane stupid,, and according to your history in aviation,, witch you proudly display in your reply "13 years in the RAF,, left in 1999 and since you have worked for SAS,LH,KLM,GF,LX,Southern AT,Polar and behold you where fired from AAI witch I thought was impossible,, Young man this totals 8 airlines in 5 years.. So you must be a poor mec or just stupid.. And you go on talking about facts..? Your history is all the fact I need to know ....
Regards Atlantacrew...
You must be joking when you say everything is A-OK at AAI being either in MX,FLTDECK or OPS.. Either you are on the take at AAI or you are just plane stupid,, and according to your history in aviation,, witch you proudly display in your reply "13 years in the RAF,, left in 1999 and since you have worked for SAS,LH,KLM,GF,LX,Southern AT,Polar and behold you where fired from AAI witch I thought was impossible,, Young man this totals 8 airlines in 5 years.. So you must be a poor mec or just stupid.. And you go on talking about facts..? Your history is all the fact I need to know ....
Regards Atlantacrew...
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Sorry it should have read 1989,did I say all was well?no so read the the post before you reply as you appear to be the stupid one,also ifyou have been at AAI any length of time(from 2001) and in Madrid you will know me,bad mechanic! well thats for
others to decide,and as for being fired well just you rile some of "the chosen"ones and you will soon find out,and by that I don"t mean bleating to your flight deck mates but actually to the horses mouth,and if all is bad as you are portraying why are you still there?in the pay of AAI thats a joke as they still owe me cash from 2001,my point is from the period I was there but the same old gripes are still coming out so try doing something about it instead of moaning on an anonomous web site,or are you scared to end up like me sacked from an unsackable position.
Thanks for calling me "Young Man" I am 46 next week but I suppose you were trying to patronise me.
others to decide,and as for being fired well just you rile some of "the chosen"ones and you will soon find out,and by that I don"t mean bleating to your flight deck mates but actually to the horses mouth,and if all is bad as you are portraying why are you still there?in the pay of AAI thats a joke as they still owe me cash from 2001,my point is from the period I was there but the same old gripes are still coming out so try doing something about it instead of moaning on an anonomous web site,or are you scared to end up like me sacked from an unsackable position.
Thanks for calling me "Young Man" I am 46 next week but I suppose you were trying to patronise me.
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Surely the fact that AAI are running courses to fill the slots on the aircraft should give an insight too what personnel are being hired.
With a low salary you will not attract qualified experienced personnel. So the vacancies are being filled by those that want to put the 747 rating on the licence gain experience then look else for a plumb job, in return accept a poor salary base QED
Imagine if they are running courses the training costs must be high hence low salary
With a low salary you will not attract qualified experienced personnel. So the vacancies are being filled by those that want to put the 747 rating on the licence gain experience then look else for a plumb job, in return accept a poor salary base QED
Imagine if they are running courses the training costs must be high hence low salary
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I thought what I read about the new contract was a big step in the right direction.
Maybe I have some wrong information.
Here is a link for comparison to the airlines in the USA regarding salary.
www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/44/36/
As you can see the pay is disgusting for qaulifed people looking to change airlines.
It would take quite a few years with salay increases to come up to this pay level.
Think this may come as sticker shock to some.
Maybe I have some wrong information.
Here is a link for comparison to the airlines in the USA regarding salary.
www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/44/36/
As you can see the pay is disgusting for qaulifed people looking to change airlines.
It would take quite a few years with salay increases to come up to this pay level.
Think this may come as sticker shock to some.
Last edited by Earl; 29th Jun 2005 at 19:40.
