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New news on the grape vine- most of the Ex EAC crews taken on by AAI to fill the TCD contract will be dumped at the end of the summer season. Some might be offered new contracts for the HADJ but very poor terms and conditions. Sad news indeed.
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I was told by one of the pilots with AAI (ex EAAC) that they were offered a contract until the end of October 2004 flying from the UK. The contract was not longer as AAI did not know the full extent of the flying from then onwards.
This appears fair, and does not dump the pilots, they know the bottom line.
This appears fair, and does not dump the pilots, they know the bottom line.
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My Haj "contract" was no different from the one I have had for the past six years anywhere in the AAI base network.
Where did you get the info. Holer Moler that there will be a different Haj contract?
Is this another rumour designed around Jerry bashing ?
Where did you get the info. Holer Moler that there will be a different Haj contract?
Is this another rumour designed around Jerry bashing ?
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400 v Classic contracts
B'Jeez Joseph & Mary!! Oi tought dat all dat Jerry bashing was over wit d Hajj guys...
Now Oi must remind yez all dat its you Oim tinkin of on those sleepless nights. Lads, its your welfare dat really bothers me d most now... Its just that "The devil foinds work for idle haands" me modder aalwys told me, so Oi caant afford to write any leave inta yr contracts ye understand. (Except if yr 400 rated)
Remember it you Im tinkin of boys an Oim lookin for signatures!!
Now Oi must remind yez all dat its you Oim tinkin of on those sleepless nights. Lads, its your welfare dat really bothers me d most now... Its just that "The devil foinds work for idle haands" me modder aalwys told me, so Oi caant afford to write any leave inta yr contracts ye understand. (Except if yr 400 rated)
Remember it you Im tinkin of boys an Oim lookin for signatures!!
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Brilliant! just brilliant take off of the little Irish Jerry O' b*@ t *% d who has now decided to pay us Per Diem flying block hours instead of time away from base. The boys in Kul on £3.75 a day allowances are not impressed.
All you have heard above about AAI is TRUE!! ....Stay away boys.
All you have heard above about AAI is TRUE!! ....Stay away boys.
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Hot off the press this morning from Iceland. Result of that barbaric act yesterday in Saudia, Haj crew this year can expect very substantial increases in pay as an incentive to work in the region.
Had to happen. Major oil Companies are in the same boat and it won't be long before all of the foreign workers end up with a flow on. It's a shame one has to get paid "danger money" for working in a once, very enjoyable, part of the world to work & play.
One can only hope we eventually can contain these low breeds.
Keep the faith:]
Had to happen. Major oil Companies are in the same boat and it won't be long before all of the foreign workers end up with a flow on. It's a shame one has to get paid "danger money" for working in a once, very enjoyable, part of the world to work & play.
One can only hope we eventually can contain these low breeds.
Keep the faith:]
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I have heard a rumour that the Flight deck at AAE are being paid their hourly rate only when they are flying NOT when they are downroute, whereas the C/C are being paid per hour away from base, which seems a little strange. I don't know how much truth there is in this but can anyone shed any light on this.
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Can only assume that "DOGMA" enjoys the African experience, enamoured perhaps, by a touch of brown sugar? Why would anyone wish to subject their fragile immune systems to such an assault? BTW, is it DAS?
Yes, the $230/day for -400 F/Os sounds a bit off, but not for the reasons espoused. For any of you with 500+ hrs on the -400, best to look elsewhere. Command comes slowly with AAI, if ever.
Just wish they'd give the "tenured" classic F/O's a shot (with the "real" pay rise of 30%, of course....even in the right seat).
In a perfect world, folks should be promoted on their potential, not necessarilly their "time" in the seat. Anyone care to take up that argument?
The poison Leprechaun is actually doing a good job. He's putting bums (Queen's English....not Bowery type, bums) on seats, AND getting signatures on contracts. We can't blame him for shortcomings in the system nor believe his promises if they aren't codified on paper and signed by both parties! Grow UP!
AAI's actually a pretty good organisation, if one overlooks the fauxes pas caused by inexperience within ops. They ARE trying their best. ****No-one could screw with aircrew so effectively if they were trying......... it MUST be coincidence!!!!!*****
Yes, the $230/day for -400 F/Os sounds a bit off, but not for the reasons espoused. For any of you with 500+ hrs on the -400, best to look elsewhere. Command comes slowly with AAI, if ever.
Just wish they'd give the "tenured" classic F/O's a shot (with the "real" pay rise of 30%, of course....even in the right seat).
In a perfect world, folks should be promoted on their potential, not necessarilly their "time" in the seat. Anyone care to take up that argument?
The poison Leprechaun is actually doing a good job. He's putting bums (Queen's English....not Bowery type, bums) on seats, AND getting signatures on contracts. We can't blame him for shortcomings in the system nor believe his promises if they aren't codified on paper and signed by both parties! Grow UP!
AAI's actually a pretty good organisation, if one overlooks the fauxes pas caused by inexperience within ops. They ARE trying their best. ****No-one could screw with aircrew so effectively if they were trying......... it MUST be coincidence!!!!!*****
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the facts aai
Ther is about 5 diffrent contracts most of us suckers are paid per day on base no vacation no paid leave no per diems etc
Initial pay with rating is 175u$/day for f/e and f/o and 250u$/day for capt's.
This is NOT industry standards.
This salary HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE 1996.
AAI seems to exploit the crew as much as possible.
As for the bases, most people spend 4 - 5 days a month there and have to check out when you leave, leaving you to lug your baggage around the world on every trip.
Crew being hired for the -400's are hired on a higher salary because they are "experienced pilots" even though some of these guys have only flown light twins.
Should you ever raise your voice to high you will be sent home ( no pay )
Any requests you might have as for vacation etc will not even be answered
Your schedule (if you get one ) will be subject to constant change
so if you had a life forget it.
Salarys are often late or short.
Well maintained aircrafts, are you kidding ! Obviusly you dont know how a proper airline maintain there fleets.
If anyone belive this is exaggerated please join and see for yourself its actually worse............
Initial pay with rating is 175u$/day for f/e and f/o and 250u$/day for capt's.
This is NOT industry standards.
This salary HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE 1996.
AAI seems to exploit the crew as much as possible.
As for the bases, most people spend 4 - 5 days a month there and have to check out when you leave, leaving you to lug your baggage around the world on every trip.
Crew being hired for the -400's are hired on a higher salary because they are "experienced pilots" even though some of these guys have only flown light twins.
Should you ever raise your voice to high you will be sent home ( no pay )
Any requests you might have as for vacation etc will not even be answered
Your schedule (if you get one ) will be subject to constant change
so if you had a life forget it.
Salarys are often late or short.
Well maintained aircrafts, are you kidding ! Obviusly you dont know how a proper airline maintain there fleets.
If anyone belive this is exaggerated please join and see for yourself its actually worse............
Last edited by abusedbyaai; 29th Jun 2004 at 13:51.
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Having worked for AAI maintenance for 4 years of my life(as a certifying 747 tech)I have to disagree about your comment on the aircraft being poorly maintained,they are maintained to the ICAA approved maintenance schedule.If you have specific examples of this poor maintenance either PM me or post it.
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Matcat,
So u have 4 years of aai experience. What about real airline experience?
Having seen booth i can tell the difference......
As for real exampels :
Refering to non applicable Mel's
Not writing the snags in logbook's
Writing off remarks that reappears again and again with "not duplicated on gnd"
Sending ac away from mainbase with known snags which causes aog further down the line
Having pages missing in AOM's
I know you will blame the operating crews for some of this but the company policy is this way whatever you are saying.
Do you know according to regulations how many licenced g/engineers should be availible for each 747 on mainbase?
by the way,
ICAA should not even be refered to as they appear to be on the pay from aai
So u have 4 years of aai experience. What about real airline experience?
Having seen booth i can tell the difference......
As for real exampels :
Refering to non applicable Mel's
Not writing the snags in logbook's
Writing off remarks that reappears again and again with "not duplicated on gnd"
Sending ac away from mainbase with known snags which causes aog further down the line
Having pages missing in AOM's
I know you will blame the operating crews for some of this but the company policy is this way whatever you are saying.
Do you know according to regulations how many licenced g/engineers should be availible for each 747 on mainbase?
by the way,
ICAA should not even be refered to as they appear to be on the pay from aai
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I had worked for AAI for a number of years. Prior to that, I worked at a "real" airline and subsequent to AAI I worked at a "real" airline.
I will say anything that was written up in the logbook was generally fixed. However, the key is, if it was written up! I have seen MX go ballistic when a pilot wrote something up that couldn't be fixed. If my memory serves me correctly, TF-ATF was written up with a bad rudder ratio changer a few years ago in JED. It sat for a few days because the Captain who wrote it up wouldn't change his write up. So, parts had to be flown into JED and clear customs, all of which takes time. I do know MX and Iceland did put a great deal of pressure on the Captain to change his write up.
As far as ICAA goes, i wouldn't call them the best judge in the world. Look what has happened to the validation issue. The validation process in place is not what the JAA intended or wants. However, it still goes on.
Anyhow, AAI is a job, I still have friends there who I encourage to leave, some have and some are quite content. It's really a personal decision. For me, there was no decision at all, a "real" airline is much more enjoyable and much safer!!!!
I will say anything that was written up in the logbook was generally fixed. However, the key is, if it was written up! I have seen MX go ballistic when a pilot wrote something up that couldn't be fixed. If my memory serves me correctly, TF-ATF was written up with a bad rudder ratio changer a few years ago in JED. It sat for a few days because the Captain who wrote it up wouldn't change his write up. So, parts had to be flown into JED and clear customs, all of which takes time. I do know MX and Iceland did put a great deal of pressure on the Captain to change his write up.
As far as ICAA goes, i wouldn't call them the best judge in the world. Look what has happened to the validation issue. The validation process in place is not what the JAA intended or wants. However, it still goes on.
Anyhow, AAI is a job, I still have friends there who I encourage to leave, some have and some are quite content. It's really a personal decision. For me, there was no decision at all, a "real" airline is much more enjoyable and much safer!!!!