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Old 16th Sep 2003, 03:39
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Dear Maxalt,

Putting things in perspective, could you confirm (or deny) that you, whilst in the employ of FR, ever had to supply your own uniform(or part thereof)?
Perjury is a serious offence.........
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This is possibly the most useful thread I've read on pprune. Of course it could have something to do with the fact that I am getting ready to apply with EK.

Thanks, dumpvalve, for your input--usually the wive's opinion is more important than the pilot's.

I'm not generally adventurous but my family is and I think it would be great to spend the last 15 years of my career in that part of the world.

If I were to be hired next spring, assuming the current growth, when could I expect a left seat upgrade? (Assuming I'm qualified...) Thanks in advance all.TC
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maxalt, you’re entitled to your opinion, and like all opinions, yours has some elements of truth supporting it, but judging by the conclusions you reach about Dubai, I think it’s safe to say you’re a “glass half empty” man rather than a “glass half full” man in your attitudes to life. If you’re surprised by the passion of some of the Western defenders of Emirates and Dubai, try to imagine, as an Irishman, (or even just a resident of Ireland), how annoyed you’d be if ten years ago someone had flown into Dublin, hundreds of miles away from ‘the Troubles’ in Ulster for a weekend (about as long as you were in Dubai for your interview?) and then proceeded to tell everyone you’d listen “all about” life for those living in said Troubles.
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White Knight How you left your last company before joining EK matters not a jot. I was merely pointing out that there is no going back for the majority of Pilots who join any expat airline so you had better like it and make the most of it.That applies to me as well.

It seems to me that everyone joining EK is looking for a quick command.Unless EK have also taken a lot of very inexperienced Pilots as well then there are going to be a lot of disappointed frustrated F/O's around when the Commands dry up.

You of course came from what I would call almost the bottom tier of UK aviation,even though as a Captain so have less to lose??

I infact agree with all you say about the UK!! Some people however seem to think that just because the salary is ' TAXFREE' that it must be a good deal. You have to consider what it buys.

As others have said you will soon realise that once in Dubai you are the poor relation compared to other 1st World expats.
In Singapore most expats rental allowance is more than my salary!!

I note you have a place in Costa Del Boy! So do most of the plumbers and market traders from South London. The only difference is they have paid Cash whereas I suspect you have a large mortgage. I would have thought you had seen enough of Sun and Sand in Dubai without wanting anymore of it on holiday!!

Maybe we can discuss this further when I perhaps join EK as a Direct Captain on the A340!!!!
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Worried about the Islamic State??. I was in Manchester a few weeks ago and took a wrong turn going into town. Ended up in an Islamic, Indian State and was not very well received. I take Dubai any day!!!
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Addendum

Straits Times, 15 September 2003

Aussie plan to avoid Sars may hit Singapore

“While he (Australian Tourist Minister, Joe Hockey) was short on detail about the Australian contingency plan, it is clear he has a number of options up his sleeve.
“Diverting flights through the Gulf region is one possibility,” he added…..
….. The nation’s tourism industry is worth A$17 billion and employs around 500,000 people. Another fall in overseas arrivals (due Sars) would be an economic disaster.
“Australia has to, as far as it can, inoculate itself against the risk of a further tourism downturn,” Mr Hockey said.”

In Mr Hockey’s “ruffled feather” smoothing “clarification” printed in today’s Straits Times (16 Sept. 2003), the following emerged:

High Opinion of Singapore

“It is a misunderstanding of Minister Hockey’s position to suggest that Australia has anything but the highest opinion for Singapore’s arrangements (for dealing with Sars outbreaks). That said, Australia has an array of contingency plans in place or being developed should any adverse incidents occur overseas in any number of markets.”
- A spokesman for Australian Tourism Minister Joe Hockey.

No Need for Panic

“Lets not panic, because I don’t think the intention is to prematurely move operations out of Singapore.”
- Mr Peter Negline, an aviation analyst, who thinks it makes good business sense to have contingency planning ready in the event of a repeat Sars outbreak

I’d say EK has a very bright future in the Europe/Mid East – Oz market, in light of the imminent delivery of their ultra long range aircraft.
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Pontius... do you always make a point when you talk.. what I wrote was called providing information.... wow a neat concept?

Fish... "those who have and those who have not" . I am speaking from experience I live in the middle east... and sorry to say that seeing 2 mirage 2000 doesn't gauge the level of military activity going on in the region. Come work in Bahrain ATC where I am and you'll see almost half the traffic right now is US and UK military.

Maxalt... so true when you wrote.. "people leaving one set of problems for another set".

As for listening to expat wives opinions, who wouldn't like it? Most don't have to work and they spend their days at the beach club with the 14 other wives who do nothing all day.

Take is from me, I have worked in Europe and now here in Bahrain.. the grass is NOT greener and don't leave if you think it is.. it's never the case. Be honest with yourself, why do you want to move to the middle east? For me, it's financial freedom so I can go back to Canada, pay for a house cash and not have debts.
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John Barnes I agree with what you say regarding your visit to Manchester which is echoed in every city in UK and can only get worse. Not however that it is any better in Antwerp( Belgium!!) not of course that you actually come from there!?

I seem to recall not long ago you telling everyone about your 6.5 months Bonus from Singapore Airlines!! Remember those Halcyon days????

It just all goes to show how quickly in Aviation the situation can turn from 'Very GOOD to very BAD'

Yes Lots of wives like it as ATC says sitting around the pool all day gossiping whilst their maids do all the work.

I would not want my children to be educated in the Middle East to age 18 with all the Locals leering not only at my daughter but also my son!!!
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EuroATC - for someone who has never worked in Dubai, just like Maxalt, you are just so knowlegable about what goes on here, one of your comments was, "why does everyone come here, No1 money...everyone here is a prostitute - what a silly and narrow minded statement, haven't you read the comment from your new found friend Maxalt, and I quote, why would anyone come to the Emirates, the pay is cr@p, so boom goes that theory. In that very negative little mind of yours, you probably would not be able to comprehend that there are other things in life.

Woman are 6th class citizens - what a load of nonsence, I live in a country where 18% of the population is local and the rest is made up of ex-pats, in the time I have been, I have been treated with nothing but respect.

As for ALL our children being ex-pat brats, from a man that doesn't have any, I can see why not, you probably use your personality as birth control. We had a football clinic come across from thre U.K. and they were totally astounded at how polite and well mannered the kids were here, a far cry from the kids they train back home, one of them said.

You go on about how dangerous living in the Middle East is - thank goodness, Dubai is in the Gulf and not M.E.

Oh dear, now you have made me late for my tea at the beach club with the 14 other 6th class citizen wives, I had better ask my husbands permission to go. For a person who does not have kids, you will never understand the importance of being there in the afternoon when the kids get home from school for the wives that choose to. If a wife wants to work, there is nothing stoping her from doing so, or even owning her own business, this I can say with knowledge, as I do.

You know what EuroAtC? Life can be so enjoyable and so much fun, look at all the things you have, instead of what you don't have, a good job with a great salary, that's a good start.

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Old 16th Sep 2003, 19:42
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Wiley, I spent a lot more than a weekend there. In fact the interview wasn't even held in Dubai...I made it my business to go have a good look for myself afterward, in my own time and at my own expense.
So there goes your theory.

Those of you from the UK who keep referring to the interracial problems there...yes, its a big problem for you. We don't have it in Dublin.

Permaneance of employment. You say its not available any more?
If you have a job at FR I think you've got a job for life if you want it. Probably true of Easy as well. And they are both expanding. And there are quick upgrades on offer.

Dumpvalve, what EuroATC says is true. I've worked in other expat jobs and seen the carry on of the 'ladies who lunch'. Wouldn't want my wife ending up like that. Bored off her tits and kids spoiled rotten. The other (non pilot) ex pats looked with pity on the 'low' standard of living we had. Used to get right up the noses of many of the pilot wives that they just couldn't keep up with the Joneses.
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Old 16th Sep 2003, 20:28
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Fish,

You dissapoint me. For a guy that holds a position in EK that is supposed to represent some sort of integrity, you sure are a bit loose with the facts. Like most of your kind though, you put in the bits that suit your argument, but leave out significant associated points that shoot it to bits.

You make the comment that "we are now allowed to own our own houses" .

Sounds great doesn't it.

You neglected to point out that you can't own the land that they sit on. You may think you do, but the UAE property law unfortunately has no provision for expat ownership of land yet. Nor is it likely to while Sheikh Z is alive. Who holds the land title? When will you get a copy of it with your name on it?

You have completely misrepresented the home ownership situation here. I have found that this type of misrepresentation, by people pretending to present facts, is a common failing of those who are insecure in their decision to come here and must justify their position to all and sundry (themselves included).

You then go on to comment
"And I thought that this was going to develop into an entertaining and enlightening topic, discussed by mature adults. What a fool am I?

Could not have summed it up better myself.

As long as people write useless comments, like the one you made about home ownership, this forum will remain nothing more than an amusing, industry oriented, fiction forum.

If you, or some of the other factually challenged people out there are prepared to take the time to write something, then why not take a bit more time to make it factual. That way you will actually be helping our colleagues who are trying to make an informed decision, rather that feeding them half truths and lies.


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Old 16th Sep 2003, 20:41
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John Barnes ,

I take great exception to your racist remark about certain districts in manchester.

To allude to the "moss" as an islamic state is absurd. Everyone here knows it is a province of somalia and was formerly known as little jamaica.

Why just the other day i commented to a policeman whislt he was giving me a ticket in moss side, that i wasnt speeding just i a hurry to get some of the class a sustances on special offer at drugs r us.

Imagine my surprise to find a computer terminal with internet access in my new cell.

dicksy

hope those direct entry commands are still ther after winston has finsished with my arse
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Red face ...so girls, moving swiftly along to the original post,

Latest rumour off the mill is that the 6 A340-300's have just become 8!

8 Aeroplanes X 7 Crews/Plane(conservative guestimate)= 56 Capt's / 56 FO's.

All to be operational by April 2004!! Direct Entry's are pretty much a certainty, but those who are employed will be of an age that their contract & retirement coincide.

This sort of brings me back to the question on page 1 of this thread. If YOU fitted the profile and were applying for the position what would YOU expect to be paid?
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Old 16th Sep 2003, 22:07
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Warlock 2000 US$12000 per month +min 8 Block Days off. Business Class ticket to EK destination monthly. Hotel accommodation not flat.

As contract only for about 2 years for me I can take it or leave it.If they want cheap people they know where they can go.

I actually doubt if they will find A340 Captains in the numbers wanted with the right experience. Some ex Cathay and SIA. Any of the 49ers ex A340??
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Unhappy

Oh Dump Valve, you just blew away our chances of getting that direct routing through Bahrain, meaning burning more fuel therefore less profitshare next year.
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hey dumpvalve (the name suits you)

First, I live in Bahrain and spend alot of time in Dubai since I have many friends there..not too different than here. Dubai is in the gulf which is also known as the middle east (in case you skipped the geography calls). You seem to want to attack me? I am just stating facts based on my experience living here.

I never said women are 6th class citizens my buddy Maxalt is the one who said that and to correct your stats, it's more like 25-30% local population in the UAE npot 18%.

I do not have children because my wife and I choose not too. We both work and have different priorities at this stage of our lives. And I never said the money was crap, we make more than 2.5 times what your husband makes so the income is actually quite good for us selfish people with no kids As for expat brats.. you're lucky your kids are sooo well behaved. Too bad they have to hang around with a bunch of other expat kids that are not.

I never once in my posts complained about what I don't have. Not sure where you get off giving me a piece of your "motherly" advice like that? I know what I have, my wife and I are both healthy with 1/2 million US in the bank. Is that a good start ?

This is an information forum and I was merely painting a more realistic picture for people considering it.

If you wish to attack me further please send me a personal message as to not bore everyone on this forum with your childlike attacks. Sorry to keep you from your beach time, always remember to put sunscreen on your head

hi kumul... no prob for the direct.. anytime I do the best job I can for everyone... not some expats wife that will change that.
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Hey EuroATC..

l recommend bonds... Indian bonds for that amount of loot

Great return and the the broker assures me very little risk

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So am I krusty or sideshow? lol

Wow I think we struck a nerve.... you are right, I do not have an A340 rating nor will I ever

I don't think I need an A340 rating to comment on living conditions in the middle east.. Are you upset that someone else is voicing their opinions? Not sure where you are from but where I come from a democratic country where everyone is free to say what they want. You are telling me I am not qualified to comment on this topic? So what makes you qualified and not me... LOL I actually have a job in the aviation industry.. do you?

I have no axe to grind.. I am just offering a different view of the middle east. Why do you have a such a problem with this? Sounds to me like you don't like hearing negative stuff about Dubai, if you love it so much why do you care what others think?
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Fish

Sorry about the attack, but I find it terribly annoying when facts are distorted by anyone, let alone an EK employee, when they are trying to comment on genuine inquiries by prospective employees.

Having re-read my post, i admit I may have been a little harsh, however it is not personal, I just try and make a habit of pointing out some of the inaccuracies and half truths that are posted on forums pertaining to EK.

Again, my intent is not to offend but to try and help provide a factual and balanced view for those looking for information.

If you are going to make sweeping comments on topics like home ownership, it is important that people understand that at present, the concept of home ownership in the UAE is very different from that in most of the countries our pilots will come from.

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millerscourt...

Thanks for keeping with the program and not continuing with the "Emirates pissing contest", geez how many hints do some people need? Think I'll start a new thread in Jet Blast...

As for "US$12000 per month +min 8 Block Days off. Business Class ticket to EK destination monthly. Hotel accommodation not flat" all I can say is... good try, but DREAM ON
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