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Old 16th May 2020, 11:19
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Not that I wish to side with the character in the OP's post, as long as he isn't conning anyone, or causing damage in some way, I'd be inclined to stop the hunt now. Unless he's a Forrest Gump, his musings are probably self-amusement to escape from his confined life. Perhaps no longer able to fly or travel, he does this through the wonders of the internet. Caveat Emptor.
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Old 16th May 2020, 11:32
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
He told me last night his uncle is Joe Henry Engle (which could be true) and plans to do a live stream with him.

He told me he doesnt have a FAA licence, he was allowed to fly on his JAA one for American Airlines. Now may be that was the case back in the 70/80’s ?

He has been battling cancer since 82’ and still held a medical. I questioned this, and showed legislation that said you have to be in remission before a medical could be considered on a waiver.

The Dutch Antilles is no longer and is classed as The Netherlands hence he can fly on his EASA licence. 🤔

I havent got a vendetta with the guy, I know he is lying, Its the great people on this forum who have found the nitty gritty on him. My gut feeling seems to be right.
I've been out of the game for some 10 years or longer but before then I was doing flight crew recruitment and I obviously needed a good knowledge of licenses and rights to live and work etc.

There were no JAA/EASA licenses back in the 70/80's, as recently as the early 2000's European nationals were still in the processes of transferring from national licenses to JAA licenses, it became a long drawn out process with various national CAA's objecting to this or that of JAA and back then, just as one example, Italy were issuing illegal JAA licenses before Italy was approved by JAA as being compliant..

And in one of my recruitment positions we had European nationals that also had the rights to live and work in USA whilst they held both JAA and FAA licenses, they would fly B737's in Europe each summer before heading off each winter to fly B737's based in Florida, they couldn't operate 'N' registered aircraft on their JAA licences, as they would arrive in MIA each winter they would ride the simulator for an LPC or whatever to revalidate their FAA licence.

But this guy makes no mention that he ever flew commercially in The Netherlands or Europe so why the need for a JAA license if he was to fly for AA, why not just go for an FAA license having already flown a military career in USA.

B737900er ... If you were a gambling man how much would you bet on this guy being legitimate?

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Old 16th May 2020, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers View Post
I've been out of the game for some 10 years or longer but before then I was doing flight crew recruitment and I obviously needed a good knowledge of licenses and rights to live and work etc.

There were no JAA/EASA licenses back in the 70/80's, as recently as the early 2000's European nationals were still in the processes of transferring from national licenses to JAA licenses, it became a long drawn out process with various national CAA's objecting to this or that of JAA and back then, just as one example, Italy were issuing illegal JAA licenses before Italy was approved by JAA as being compliant..

And in one of my recruitment positions we had European nationals that also had the rights to live and work in USA whilst they held both JAA and FAA licenses, they would fly B737's in Europe each summer before heading off each winter to fly B737's based in Florida, they couldn't operate 'N' registered aircraft on their JAA licences, as they would arrive in MIA each winter they would ride the simulator for an LPC or whatever to make their FAA licence current.

But this guy makes no mention that he ever flew commercially in The Netherlands or Europe so why the need for a JAA license if he was to fly for AA, why not just go for an FAA license having already flown a military career in USA.

B737900er ... If you were a gambling man how much would you bet on this guy being legitimate?
My intentions were never to hunt this guy down. It was to find a picture of his beloved PJ-GECA G650ER.

But when I couldnt find any trace of it, and then his stories werent really making any sense,
Which got my thinking is this guy real?

His CV is that impressive to the point I dont know how he managed to do it. Hes got PHD in engineering and attended MIT as well??

Some would say it is harmless fun. I agree to a point. However, if you were drinking in your local bar/pub and a guy kept telling people he was SAS or Navy Seal and you knew full well he wasnt, would you not be tempted to say anything?

Stolen Valour is a felony/crime in both the USA and UK.
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Old 16th May 2020, 12:42
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
My intentions were never to hunt this guy down. It was to find a picture of his beloved PJ-GECA G650ER.

But when I couldnt find any trace of it, and then his stories werent really making any sense,
Which got my thinking is this guy real?

His CV is that impressive to the point I dont know how he managed to do it. Hes got PHD in engineering and attended MIT as well??

Some would say it is harmless fun. I agree to a point. However, if you were drinking in your local bar/pub and a guy kept telling people he was SAS or Navy Seal and you knew full well he wasnt, would you not be tempted to say anything?

Stolen Valour is a felony/crime in both the USA and UK.
B737900er,

I used to work with a 66 y/o or so ex pilot, his mother taught him to fly, it needed to be his mother doing the flying because his father would be standing on top of the wings in the American south, this guy was flying solo from the age of 14, he held a commercial license at the age of 16 ferrying aircraft during WWll, I mean he really had been there and done that, he was an ex Chief Pilot of Air America operating fixed wings in/out of little more than helipads, commercial pilot from the age of 16 until he retired from flying on his 65th birthday.

Particularly once he got in to the Jeppesen amendments of USA it was a nightmare, he had a story to tell about so many of the airfields, he was a lovely guy, good fun to work with, we had respect for his history and even when he may have been sending us a little crazy we just humoured him.

I guess that you have a similar choice with this retired guy, to humour him, to walk away and forget about him or to tell him to do something very rude!
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Old 16th May 2020, 12:56
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
Stolen Valour is a felony/crime in both the USA and UK.
That's not a term I'm familiar with, but simply claiming to have a military past isn't a crime in the UK.
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Old 16th May 2020, 14:16
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That's not a term I'm familiar with, but simply claiming to have a military past isn't a crime in the UK.
To wear a Military uniform without consent under the uniform act of 1894 in the UK with the intent to defraud people would fall under fraud. But if its bar stories then no law is broken.

At one point it was going to be considered a criminal offence to wear medals that Were not yours to claim.

In the US, its a federal felony just to claim you were a serviceman. Im not surprised they take it more serious than old blitey.

I believe Walter Mitty is another term used.

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Old 16th May 2020, 14:33
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
To wear a Military uniform without consent under the uniform act of 1894 in the UK with the intent to defraud people would fall under fraud. But if its bar stories then no law is broken.

At one point it was going to be considered a criminal offence to wear medals that Were not yours to claim.

In the US, its a federal felony just to claim you were a serviceman. Im not surprised they take it more serious than old blitey.

I believe Walter Mitty is another term used.
I'm sorry B737900er but you are turning this in to something of a circus now, and similar in your reciprocal thread of this guy in 'Where Are They Now', get over it, walk away, grow up and rise above it .....
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Old 16th May 2020, 15:31
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Im sorry you feel that way. This thread was solely about the G650 only, hence the other thread. But this thread gained more traction than the other one due to members finding more personal details.

ive explained my reason to why I wanted to see if the stories were true or not so hopefully that puts it to bed.

ive seen enough to know there may not be an G650 with the above registration and the person in question could be exaggerating.

I thank you all who went out of their way to help answer my Question.

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Old 16th May 2020, 16:42
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
Stolen Valour is a felony/crime in both the USA and UK.
Actually, I think under current law in the U.S. wearing a medal or badge that you didn't earn is at most a Class A misdemeanor even for the Medal of Honor:

18 U.S. Code § 704. Military medals or decorations

(a) In General.—
Whoever knowingly purchases, attempts to purchase, solicits for purchase, mails, ships, imports, exports, produces blank certificates of receipt for, manufactures, sells, attempts to sell, advertises for sale, trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

(b) Fraudulent Representations About Receipt of Military Decorations or Medals.—

Whoever, with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit, fraudulently holds oneself out to be a recipient of a decoration or medal described in subsection (c)(2) or (d) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(c) Enhanced Penalty for Offenses Involving Congressional Medal of Honor.—

(1) In general.—If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) is a Congressional Medal of Honor, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(2) Congressional medal of honor defined.—In this subsection, the term “Congressional Medal of Honor” means—
(A) a medal of honor awarded under section 7271, 8291, or 9271 of title 10 or section 491 [1] of title 14;

(B) a duplicate medal of honor issued under section 7284, 8306, or 9284 of title 10 or section 504 1 of title 14; or

(C) a replacement of a medal of honor provided under section 7277, 8303, or 9277 of title 10 or section 501 1 of title 14.
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Old 16th May 2020, 16:54
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
He told me last night his uncle is Joe Henry Engle (which could be true) and plans to do a live stream with him.

He told me he doesnt have a FAA licence, he was allowed to fly on his JAA one for American Airlines. Now may be that was the case back in the 70/80’s ?

He has been battling cancer since 82’ and still held a medical. I questioned this, and showed legislation that said you have to be in remission before a medical could be considered on a waiver.
If Joe Engle is his uncle they are about the same age. Possible I suppose but not likely in my opinion.

I'll raise the BS flag on using a JAA license at American Airlines back in the 70's and 80's. No way.

You can hold a special issuance FAA medical certificate for cancer in remission, I've known several colleagues to get their First Class medicals back after an observation period and successful completion of required medical tests.
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Old 16th May 2020, 17:22
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Old 16th May 2020, 17:36
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If Joe Engle is his uncle they are about the same age. Possible I suppose but not likely in my opinion.

I'll raise the BS flag on using a JAA license at American Airlines back in the 70's and 80's. No way.

You can hold a special issuance FAA medical certificate for cancer in remission, I've known several colleagues to get their First Class medicals back after an observation period and successful completion of required medical tests.
I agree it is possible if you are in remission. Hes flying on his G650 from SXM to KDAL for treatment and has permission to sit in the RHS and log the time because he has been given a EASA/FAA waiver to hold a class 3 medical.
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Old 17th May 2020, 07:34
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Hes flying on his G650 from SXM to KDAL for treatment
That would be the one that we've established doesn't exist ...
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:25
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Seems a fitting end to the thread.
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