Help UAL Capt Al Haynes Save his Daughter
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What a bloody heartless subject this truly is.....
If Al Haynes had have come and said gee guys I need a hand, then he would have been swamped....but that was not the case, its some friend or other faceless identity asking.
If this happened in my company, we would have all donated one days pay, via our union system and that would have more than satisfied this awful situation.....what the bloody hell is wrong with Al Haynes ex colleagues????...what terrific camaraderie there must be in that company???
And yes, whilst it’s a terrible and sadning period, the rest of the world either has a national health system which is paid for by the people, or they are privately insured....
A sad affair indeed.
If Al Haynes had have come and said gee guys I need a hand, then he would have been swamped....but that was not the case, its some friend or other faceless identity asking.
If this happened in my company, we would have all donated one days pay, via our union system and that would have more than satisfied this awful situation.....what the bloody hell is wrong with Al Haynes ex colleagues????...what terrific camaraderie there must be in that company???
And yes, whilst it’s a terrible and sadning period, the rest of the world either has a national health system which is paid for by the people, or they are privately insured....
A sad affair indeed.
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Most people would do ANYTHING to save their child's life. If any of us lived in the USA and our health insurance ran out, I am sure we would do the same to help a family member.
Of course it's shocking that a country as rich as the USA doesn't look after its people's health properly, but that doesn't help Capt Haynes. Capt Haynes saved many lives, but even if he hadn't, he would deserve our sympathy.
Of course it's shocking that a country as rich as the USA doesn't look after its people's health properly, but that doesn't help Capt Haynes. Capt Haynes saved many lives, but even if he hadn't, he would deserve our sympathy.
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Bonvol I am with you. I detest moralistic lectures from people who try to browbeat me on the problems of the thrid world, as if I had the power to solve them. I cant, but I do choose, of my own free will and accord, to assist Al Haynes in his fight to save his daughter's life. As far as I am concerned, it is a cause well worth supporting, and before I get a load of emotion, again, about the third world, I have lived there, supported individuals there as far as I can, and will continue to do so. There is a Jewish saying which goes something like
"The person who saves a single life, saves the world entire" That will do me, and I will let Winstun, Ozgrade, Spodman and the others to argue their version of the moral ethics involved.
The way I read their posts is that nobody should contribute......
well, they are entitled to their opinion, but I just cannot beleive the way in which it has been put here. The Health system of the USA, UK and Australia for that matter is superb if you get involved in an accident, or have a heart problem, but when we start talking about sickle cell treatment, and transplants of this nature, the sheer costs involved, place a Triage burden on the Ethical boards involved. Health Insurance companies would rarely cover such enormously expensive treatment. It is not as clear cut as others would have you beleive. No...the cost of a few bottles of wine vs Al Haynes daughter leaves me with a clear cut decision. It is my money and is entirely up to me as to how I spend it.
A Happy New Year to all you guys who contributed and to those who didn't also. I just hope you NEVER have to go through what Al Haynes must be going through now.
"The person who saves a single life, saves the world entire" That will do me, and I will let Winstun, Ozgrade, Spodman and the others to argue their version of the moral ethics involved.
The way I read their posts is that nobody should contribute......
well, they are entitled to their opinion, but I just cannot beleive the way in which it has been put here. The Health system of the USA, UK and Australia for that matter is superb if you get involved in an accident, or have a heart problem, but when we start talking about sickle cell treatment, and transplants of this nature, the sheer costs involved, place a Triage burden on the Ethical boards involved. Health Insurance companies would rarely cover such enormously expensive treatment. It is not as clear cut as others would have you beleive. No...the cost of a few bottles of wine vs Al Haynes daughter leaves me with a clear cut decision. It is my money and is entirely up to me as to how I spend it.
A Happy New Year to all you guys who contributed and to those who didn't also. I just hope you NEVER have to go through what Al Haynes must be going through now.
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Some of you are correct. I bet if Al was sick, he wouldn't ask for a dime. However, from what I gather, the daughter is the last of his family - wife and son dead.
So what would I do if my son or daughter were dying and I had a last ditch chance to save their life. I'd say, hand me the cup and show me the corner.
Maybe, the money could have been managed a little better. However, we don't know all the details. Maybe the wife and son illnesses took his last savings. Who really cares. Bottom line, he doesn't have the money to pay for his daughter's medical bills. What should he do - throw his hands in the air and buy a burial plot.
No, he's doing exactly what you and I would do given the same circumstances. If you don't want to give..........fine. But don't judge the man for loving his daughter. If anyone has a better idea, I'm sure Al would listen.
Just pray and thank your lucky stars your family is healthy and you don't have to ask for money. I'm sure Al would gladly trade places with you. However, after meeting him, he probably wouldn't ............. he's that type of person.
So what would I do if my son or daughter were dying and I had a last ditch chance to save their life. I'd say, hand me the cup and show me the corner.
Maybe, the money could have been managed a little better. However, we don't know all the details. Maybe the wife and son illnesses took his last savings. Who really cares. Bottom line, he doesn't have the money to pay for his daughter's medical bills. What should he do - throw his hands in the air and buy a burial plot.
No, he's doing exactly what you and I would do given the same circumstances. If you don't want to give..........fine. But don't judge the man for loving his daughter. If anyone has a better idea, I'm sure Al would listen.
Just pray and thank your lucky stars your family is healthy and you don't have to ask for money. I'm sure Al would gladly trade places with you. However, after meeting him, he probably wouldn't ............. he's that type of person.
A solution for those who are feeling uncomfortable donating money for medical treatment to someone who lives in a country that spends one billion dollars a day on it's armed forces. Give some money to Al Hayne's daughter and then give the same to Orbis at:
http://www.orbis.org/
A great charity that uses a converted DC10 as a flying hospital to treat eye problems all over the world. It's hugely expensive as you might imagine and runs entirely on donations.
http://www.orbis.org/
A great charity that uses a converted DC10 as a flying hospital to treat eye problems all over the world. It's hugely expensive as you might imagine and runs entirely on donations.
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It is my money and is entirely up to me as to how I spend it.
Why over 30 thousand children die every day....children that didn't get the chance to be your "hero"
Or are they the wrong color? not from the right country? not practise your prefered religion? not related to a famous aviator? not a friggin hero? Really! I am trying real hard to see why people's "spare" funds should be diverted to the cause of some fatcat retired airline pilot that for a long time, pulled several hundred thou a year. Surely he could afford the sacrifice of selling a [house/car/fund] or two of his own to pay for this.
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Al is a great guy and the Orbis project is a worthy one. I know most of the people flying it. They are slowly transitioning from United to FedEx and UAL has no DC10s now. Fedex is doing the sim checks now and slowly they'll take it all. The current airplane is theirs also after the transition from the DC-8 that UAL gave.
I toured the airplane in Taipei a few months ago. One of the pilots Jim Nugent (retired) gave me a tour. They were on a fund raising tour.
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I toured the airplane in Taipei a few months ago. One of the pilots Jim Nugent (retired) gave me a tour. They were on a fund raising tour.
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I've just donated. It would have been easy if someone had said that Laurie Haynes was listed under the surname Arguello on the drop down list. Never mind worked in the end.
On the subject of bone marrow transplants and the need for donors, why not sign up check out:
http://www.anthonynolan.org.uk/index.html
On the subject of bone marrow transplants and the need for donors, why not sign up check out:
http://www.anthonynolan.org.uk/index.html
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Some more money for Capt PPRuNe
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Agree, Chalky. Mine came up as #2347 (presumably sequential) so I guess on the basis of an average of say $50 per, then it should be up in the order of $100k.
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Hi Winstun
I see you have picked up on my phrase "It is my money and it is entirely up to me how I spend it" You obviously haven't got a clue what I mean. I chose to send some to Al Hayne's daughter's fund. Nix to do with you. You don't know me, or anything about my donations to other causes. I have no intention of telling you, as it is entirely immaterial, and it would be in bad taste for me to comment. Your rantings still mark you as a Jerk, as does your phraseology.
I don't know how many funds, charities, or other appeals there are in the world, but because I choos to donate to this one, or any other one, is nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with you, or anybody else. I ask you a question, if you were in a similar position, with your daughter or son, what would YOU do.??
If Al Haynes HAD the money, do you honestly think he would be in this position.?? Sell a couple of cars/houses. Really.!! How many does he have.?? You don't know. Stupid assumptions again. Anyway, as I said, what I, and plenty of others do, is none of your concern.
I see you still have no profile. Typical of one who rants and raves and hides behind anonimity. Why is that I wonder.??There are others on this Forum who have given up on you....like them I do likewise. May you live in interesting times.
I see you have picked up on my phrase "It is my money and it is entirely up to me how I spend it" You obviously haven't got a clue what I mean. I chose to send some to Al Hayne's daughter's fund. Nix to do with you. You don't know me, or anything about my donations to other causes. I have no intention of telling you, as it is entirely immaterial, and it would be in bad taste for me to comment. Your rantings still mark you as a Jerk, as does your phraseology.
I don't know how many funds, charities, or other appeals there are in the world, but because I choos to donate to this one, or any other one, is nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with you, or anybody else. I ask you a question, if you were in a similar position, with your daughter or son, what would YOU do.??
If Al Haynes HAD the money, do you honestly think he would be in this position.?? Sell a couple of cars/houses. Really.!! How many does he have.?? You don't know. Stupid assumptions again. Anyway, as I said, what I, and plenty of others do, is none of your concern.
I see you still have no profile. Typical of one who rants and raves and hides behind anonimity. Why is that I wonder.??There are others on this Forum who have given up on you....like them I do likewise. May you live in interesting times.
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I have contacted the website to see if they have an up to date on the amount raised.They hope to have an up to date figure within a couple of days.
Nice to think that if every body who viewed this topic had paid a tenner they would be close to the target!
Nice to think that if every body who viewed this topic had paid a tenner they would be close to the target!
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Winstun,
As I said on my post on the first page, I've been lucky enough to meet Al Haynes. After Sioux City he spent a lot of time creating and putting his name, and some of his money, to charitable trusts etc for others to benefit from funds he raised giving lectures etc. While not a poor man, he has certainly contributed far more than his fair share to the betterment of this world therefore I am, and by the looks of it many others are too, more than happy to contribute when he is in need.
You are totally out of order and I can ony echo Spuds McKenzie - FARK OFF
As I said on my post on the first page, I've been lucky enough to meet Al Haynes. After Sioux City he spent a lot of time creating and putting his name, and some of his money, to charitable trusts etc for others to benefit from funds he raised giving lectures etc. While not a poor man, he has certainly contributed far more than his fair share to the betterment of this world therefore I am, and by the looks of it many others are too, more than happy to contribute when he is in need.
You are totally out of order and I can ony echo Spuds McKenzie - FARK OFF
